"honestly" aman, does it make you feel bigger insulting a dead man
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43669220]Suicide is one of the most selfish acts I can think of.
Sure suicide sucks, sure mental conditions and life can be hard, but suicide is selfish because it totally disregards the feelings of everyone else in the person's life in favor of giving up, at least in cases like this.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;43669222]That's a very simple way of looking at ending your own life. What about the grief you'd cause others? If you're parents were still alive they'd be second guessing themselves, your friends would miss you and so would your significant other.[/QUOTE]
If someone wants to commit suicide and you don't want that to happen because it'll make you sad, that's you being selfish. I'm not trying to say people should kill themselves at the first opportunity, and by all means, you should try and get counselling, talk him out of it as best you can, etc, but if it doesn't work and they truly want to end their own life, then you have no right to say they can't.
Everyone has the right to have their life, and that includes when they want it ended, and trying to take that away from someone because it'll sadden you is what is truly selfish.
[QUOTE=Aman;43669285]your ad hominem doesn't make him killing himself practically in front of his wife who loves him any less selfish.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43669220]Suicide is one of the most selfish acts I can think of.
Sure suicide sucks, sure mental conditions and life can be hard, but suicide is selfish because it totally disregards the feelings of everyone else in the person's life in favor of giving up, at least in cases like this.[/QUOTE]
Do you guys understand nothing about depression and suicide?
It's not "I feel bad so I'm going to kill myself, fuck you all even though you love me", it's "everyone else will be better off without me", or "no one actually loves me", or "I'm a burden on everyone else", or one of many other feelings. Even though it might make everyone else feel terrible, they either don't feel that anyone else really loves them, or they feel that killing themselves would make everyone else's lives better.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43669220]Suicide is one of the most selfish acts I can think of.
Sure suicide sucks, sure mental conditions and life can be hard, but suicide is selfish because it totally disregards the feelings of everyone else in the person's life in favor of giving up, at least in cases like this.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;43669222]That's a very simple way of looking at ending your own life. What about the grief you'd cause others? If you're parents were still alive they'd be second guessing themselves, your friends would miss you and so would your significant other.[/QUOTE]
Because if there's one thing we know about those with depression, it's that they always think things through clearly and logically.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;43669317]If someone wants to commit suicide and you don't want that to happen because it'll make you sad, that's you being selfish. I'm not trying to say people should kill themselves at the first opportunity, and by all means, you should try and get counselling, talk him out of it as best you can, etc, but if it doesn't work and they truly want to end their own life, then you have no right to say they can't.
Everyone has the right to have their life, and that includes when they want it ended, and trying to take that away from someone because it'll sadden you is what is truly selfish.[/QUOTE]
You're looking at this from a weird angle. People don't want others to not commit suicide not because it makes them sad but because they won't be able to share the fun times they had together. If you have feelings for another it's not being selfish it's just being Human.
Poor guy.
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;43669376]You're looking at this from a weird angle. People don't want others to not commit suicide not because it makes them sad but because they won't be able to share the fun times they had together. If you have feelings for another it's not being selfish it's just being Human.[/QUOTE]
calling someone a cunt like aman did isn't an expression of sadness it's an expression of disgust and contempt
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43669409]calling someone a cunt like aman did isn't an expression of sadness it's an expression of disgust and contempt[/QUOTE]
I think it is a little disgusting he locked himself in a bathroom with his wife who loves him on the other side probably pleading with him only to kill himself.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43669409]calling someone a cunt like aman did isn't an expression of sadness it's an expression of disgust and contempt[/QUOTE]
I understand that, Aman could have used better language. It is a shame though that he did kill himself in such a way that it really hurt his loved ones. He should have seeked help and not have gone for the gun. I've been depressed before and I understand, infact there's a cliff by my house that I sometimes think about jumping off of on really terrible days. But I don't because I know that things always get better.
[QUOTE=Aman;43669426]I think it is a little disgusting he locked himself in a bathroom with his wife who loves him on the other side probably pleading with him only to kill himself.[/QUOTE]
You don't suppose it could have been his wife who made him feel that way though?
I had a fight with my SO on our anniversary, and it was so heart crushingly terrible that I spent the rest of the evening alone, considering killing myself. In that moment, I wasn't loved or needed by anyone. I was just some asshole who had hurt someone he loved at one of the most important points in our relationship.
[QUOTE=Aman;43669426]I think it is a little disgusting he locked himself in a bathroom with his wife who loves him on the other side probably pleading with him only to kill himself.[/QUOTE]
and i think you have no grasp on who this guy is, what he's been through, and why he did what he did
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;43669344]Because if there's one thing we know about those with depression, it's that they always think things through clearly and logically.[/QUOTE]
Just because they're not thinking clearly or logically doesn't make suicide any less selfish.
Well that was a shocking title to see while browsing FP.
I wonder how TGWTG staff will respond?
whether suicide is selfish or not is irrelevant cos using someone's friends and loved ones to force them out of suicide rather than their own independent reasons to keep living is perhaps the least helpful thing you could possibly do in that situation
And guys, a man just shot his brains out while his wife was on the other side during his final moments.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;43669317]If someone wants to commit suicide and you don't want that to happen because it'll make you sad, that's you being selfish. I'm not trying to say people should kill themselves at the first opportunity, and by all means, you should try and get counselling, talk him out of it as best you can, etc, but if it doesn't work and they truly want to end their own life, then you have no right to say they can't.
Everyone has the right to have their life, and that includes when they want it ended, and trying to take that away from someone because it'll sadden you is what is truly selfish.[/QUOTE]
Both sides are selfish because both sides are not thinking about the other side's feelings, only their own.
TGWTG staff and remembering him in a steam: [url]http://live.radiodeadair.com/[/url]
Guy shut up about "selfishness" a man is dead and his wife is grieving.
End of obnoxious pointless SH debate.
If you think suicide is selfish, you've never experienced what it's like to feel suicidal or have a friend who is, which means your opinion is irrelevant. I 100% guarantee you that if you try to talk a person out of suicide by calling them selfish, you'll only just make them feel worse, which will make them more likely to kill themselves. I also 100% guarantee that doing that will make you a massive douchebag, too.
[QUOTE=Aman;43669285]your ad hominem doesn't make him killing himself practically in front of his wife who loves him any less selfish.[/QUOTE]
You really don't know what you're talking about do you.
Suicidal people don't kill themselves because they are selfish. They kill themselves because they more often then not see themselves as a problem for others and get into the mindset that killing themselves would make th ings better for people.
Suicide is more often then not a severely misguided attempt at be selfless. Stop getting on your moral high horse.
-snip- sorry, brainlapse
i used to watch his videos a couple of years back
this sucks
Rip, I don't think anyone saw this coming. Even though I wasn't particularly a fan of him, I know a lot of the guys at TGWTG were really good friends with him.
[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;43669513]Just because they're not thinking clearly or logically doesn't make suicide any less selfish.[/QUOTE]
I don't think when someone is mentally prepared to end his life is thinking anything clear and logical.
It's sad what happened and I hope his wife doesn't suffer any bad aftermath since she was there when he did it.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43669220]Suicide is one of the most selfish acts I can think of.
Sure suicide sucks, sure mental conditions and life can be hard, but suicide is selfish because it totally disregards the feelings of everyone else in the person's life in favor of giving up, at least in cases like this.[/QUOTE]
but it's his life, if he had a severe infection with the choice of life altering surgery or death, I wouldn't feel against him if he chose to die.. it's on the onus of those who really care about him to keep him at peace and understand what he's about.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;43669561]I wonder how TGWTG staff will respond?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Aman;43669426]I think it is a little disgusting he locked himself in a bathroom with his wife who loves him on the other side probably pleading with him only to kill himself.[/QUOTE]
Please elaborate on your extensive knowledge of the inner workings of depression that you apparently know intimately enough to make such idiotic comments.
I will never understand the sheer audacity of people to call suicide victims names on internet message boards. Even if you think they are being selfish, which itself belies a massive ignorance about depression and suicide, can't you atleast have the presence of mind to not speak it?
I don't entirely blame people who find suicide is selfish, assuming they're young. I remember in my High-school they literally tried to teach that bullshit as truth.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;43670062]I will never understand the sheer audacity of people to call suicide victims names on internet message boards. Even if you think they are being selfish, which itself belies a massive ignorance about depression and suicide, can't you atleast have the presence of mind to not speak it?[/QUOTE]
Anonymity brings out both the best and the worse in people.
In this case the latter.
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