[QUOTE=WhyNott;43674432]If you are tired of this "selishness" debate, I have a better one for you:
If he didn't had a gun this wouldn't happen[/QUOTE]
If only he had a gun he could have stopped himself.
[QUOTE=Suttles;43674497]Or yelling racial slurs in a ghetto[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Ln3IWBq.jpg[/img]
Seriously though, never heard about this guy and haven't been on TGWTG for years, still sucks to hear about stuff like this.
I feel bad for him, but did he really have to kill himself while his wife was the other side of the door?
This is going to haunt her forever.
[QUOTE=Suttles;43674497]Or yelling racial slurs in a ghetto[/QUOTE]
You just reminded me of a certain film.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsX1eUcHADc[/media]
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43671176]People always talk about Hyperbole and a Half's 2 part series on depression, supposing it to be one of the best ways depression has ever been described.
[url]http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2011/10/adventures-in-depression.html[/url]
[url]http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2013/05/depression-part-two.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Wasn't there this text based webbrowser game that was supposed to simulate depression? It basically told you the story of an average life, and you got choices and as you got more and more depressed the game became more distorted and there was sad music and shit. It was a [I]very[/I] accurate depiction of depression, imo.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;43674710]Wasn't there this text based webbrowser game that was supposed to simulate depression? It basically told you the story of an average life, and you got choices and as you got more and more depressed the game became more distorted and there was sad music and shit. It was a [I]very[/I] accurate depiction of depression, imo.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.depressionquest.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=WhyNott;43674432]If you are tired of this "selishness" debate, I have a better one for you:
If he didn't had a gun this wouldn't happen[/QUOTE]
lol killing yourself with a gun is actually not as easy as the various other ways you can do it. It's also not painless if you fuck up (easier then you think).
Overdose is easy and painless (unless they catch you and pump your stomach and let you sleep it off with a cup of liquid charcoal)
Taking 20 aspirin slit your wrists and sit in a tub of warm water will kill you painlessly.
etc etc etc.
[editline]26th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;43672402]Can I just mention that the 5150 thing is one of the worst things ever (in the cases where a person is a danger to themselves)? At least in my experience. I've been put under this hold before, and I was sent to a mental hospital. It was not a pleasant experience. Rather than getting any sort of help, I simply became afraid of ever going back to a mental hospital.[/QUOTE]
Heh you got 5150'd too?
If you don't mind me asking what hospital did you get sent too?
This came from an older stream of Jew Wario's but I figured it'd be worth sharing here.
[video=youtube;8tN60yFjO-g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tN60yFjO-g[/video]
The intensity in his eyes is too much for me.
I don't know if I should really count as an expert since I am still figuring out what came over me or post this since this is very personal, but I've attempted suicide right after someone close in the family passed away. I was already on that mental state where anything could tip me over since it was around the time where my work situation wasn't that great, someone close to me had cut off ties and I had absolutely no plan for the future and was stuck in the "I will die anyway" mentality.
After that event I just spiralled off and tried to jump off my building. This was around at 3 am and I honestly would have done it if one of my internet friends hadn't sent me a message on skype. They tried to convince me to not do it and I was acting extremely irrational and making up excuses to not to take their advice. From my perspective I just thought none of them really cared because they were people far away and everyone in my family didn't care either. A bit of context was that I had become very introverted after high school so the isolation from people really made me lose it a bit.
Now I am not saying that's the same emotions everyone depressed goes through but it's what I felt when I was about to jump. Just that there was no one out there and I was alone, no one cared and such. Now I know how someone can think that act is selfish but when you look at it from my perspective, it was highly irrational. To me, I was useless and no one really cared about me, even when they brought up contrary evidence I would still look for reasons to stay in a mentality like this.
Suicide from depression isn't selfish. It's just irrational, you just have to look at it from the perspective of a person who is so long out of it that he has lost any sense of purpose, meaning and self worth with life.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43674991]lol killing yourself with a gun is actually not as easy as the various other ways you can do it. It's also not painless if you fuck up (easier then you think).
Overdose is easy and painless (unless they catch you and pump your stomach and let you sleep it off with a cup of liquid charcoal)
Taking 20 aspirin slit your wrists and sit in a tub of warm water will kill you painlessly.
etc etc etc.[/QUOTE]I was under the impression acute aspirin overdose is particularly painful. The seizures alone would be dreadful, never mind the respiratory arrest.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;43674469]Theres other ways one can commit suicide you know, so not necessarily.
[editline]26th January 2014[/editline]
Like, say, hanging, or jumping from a high height, or stabbing yourself.[/QUOTE]
you could argue that by the time he would have found a rope, sleep pills or whatever he might return to his state of mind again
but I was just kidding, i did not intended to bring a gun debate here
although that would be hilarious
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;43668942]Apparently he had momentary depression and it overwhelmed him.[/QUOTE]
It's sad to think something only momentary managed to kill him.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;43669317]If someone wants to commit suicide and you don't want that to happen because it'll make you sad, that's you being selfish. I'm not trying to say people should kill themselves at the first opportunity, and by all means, you should try and get counselling, talk him out of it as best you can, etc, but if it doesn't work and they truly want to end their own life, then you have no right to say they can't.
Everyone has the right to have their life, and that includes when they want it ended, and trying to take that away from someone because it'll sadden you is what is truly selfish.[/QUOTE]
Letting a depressed person suicide or implying they should be allowed to it is just as wrong as calling their acts selfish.
Depressed suicide is never rational and meaningful. It's somebody practically killing themselves in something that could be described as an accident caused by lapse in thinking. The people in that kind of state aren't functional and can't be blamed for what they try to do but they can't be left to do it either.
I did have suicidal thoughts in past here and there and in retrospect I am glad there were people who would just outright disagree with that possibility and if I was attempting to act on it, would physically restrain me and rob me of the ability to do it, because I do recognize that these thoughts were not made in normal state of mind.
Of course, there can be a suicide for [I]OTHER[/I] reasons, for example, honestly believing that you are sacrificing yourself for higher good (jumping onto a live grenade to save the rest of your squad), or the fact that your life objectively sucks for, for example medical reasons (terminal cancer with zero chance of recovery that puts you in constant pain), or such, and THEN it can be argued that such an action should always be allowed and respected, but considering what the initial story in the OP is about, I don't think that your post belongs here.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;43669317]If someone wants to commit suicide and you don't want that to happen because it'll make you sad, that's you being selfish. I'm not trying to say people should kill themselves at the first opportunity, and by all means, you should try and get counselling, talk him out of it as best you can, etc, but if it doesn't work and they truly want to end their own life, then you have no right to say they can't.
Everyone has the right to have their life, and that includes when they want it ended, and trying to take that away from someone because it'll sadden you is what is truly selfish.[/QUOTE]
While I certainly don't believe people who commit suicide are selfish, I think that's the last person a suicidal person needs to be told, I certainly don't believe you should just let them do it. When people commit suicide they are almost definitely not in the right state of mind.
When people commit suicide its a desperate act of trying to escape from something that's making their life terrible, whether that be depression or something else. Its an irrational act and if you know someone is suicidal then my god don't just let them.
[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;43669311]I'm not saying people who commit suicide are bad, but suicide is literally *the* most selfish act you can ever perform.[/QUOTE]
no, killing someone else is
Damn, sad to hear this.
Maybe if he hadn't been so openly enthusiastic about video games and video game characters, it wouldn't have been so awkward and therefor depressing and deadly.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43676522]While I certainly don't believe people who commit suicide are selfish, I think that's the last person a suicidal person needs to be told, I certainly don't believe you should just let them do it. When people commit suicide they are almost definitely not in the right state of mind.
When people commit suicide its a desperate act of trying to escape from something that's making their life terrible, whether that be depression or something else. Its an irrational act and if you know someone is suicidal then my god don't just let them.[/QUOTE]
It's much much easier said than done, I have had to talk my girlfriend out of it multiple times due to her shitty verbally abusive parents. Nearly nothing will make them better and you just have to try to keep them busy and make them feel everything is going to be okay.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;43676602]It's much much easier said than done, I have had to talk my girlfriend out of it multiple times due to her shitty verbally abusive parents. Nearly nothing will make them better and you just have to try to keep them busy and make them feel everything is going to be okay.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but I think its best to always keep trying. They may eventually kill themself regardless of what you do when you aren't there to stop them but at least you did everything you possibly could.
I don't feel comfortable with the idea of allowing suicidal people to kill themselves, I think you should always do whatever you can to prevent it since they're only severely and permanently hurting themselves
Although I certainly don't agree with this "suicide is selfish" bollocks. Someone who I know personally told me that depression is something he wouldn't wish on his worst enemy and he's not the only person I've seen say this either. People who end up like this need compassion not derission
I never heard of this guy before, but it made me really sad. Thinking about his wife sitting outside the door trying to talk him out of it. I don't understand how depression can be more powerful than the love for your spouse...
It truly shows how fucked up it really is.
What is even the point of this debate? Humans are inherently selfish and we do everything for the sake of our own interests
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;43668942]Apparently he had momentary depression and it overwhelmed him.[/QUOTE]
This is meant in the least dickish way possible but I'm just curious: How do you know that? I've been having a look around on Fb, Gaf and tgwtg and I see nobody close to him mentioning this. I'm just wondering if you're close with anyone within his family or group of friends or if you're just repeating speculation.
I have seen speculation about this possibly growing out of financial issues. Nash from tgwtg did a live stream where he mentioned JewWario knowing he was well off and had the resources to help him. And apparently during the holidays he admitted he didn't have the money to spend on a $15 NES remix album so a fan gave him a gift card. But there's still not even a hint of this springing from momentary depression - Quite the contrary I'd wager.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43676624]Yeah but I think its best to always keep trying. They may eventually kill themself regardless of what you do when you aren't there to stop them but at least you did everything you possibly could.
I don't feel comfortable with the idea of allowing suicidal people to kill themselves, I think you should always do whatever you can to prevent it since they're only severely and permanently hurting themselves
Although I certainly don't agree with this "suicide is selfish" bollocks. Someone who I know personally told me that depression is something he wouldn't wish on his worst enemy and he's not the only person I've seen say this either. People who end up like this need compassion not derission[/QUOTE]
Not what I was saying, I was saying that it's a lot harder than "do do it". The last thing you can say is don't be selfish.
After reading the message of his wife, I have no sympathies for him, only for his wife.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;43676761]Not what I was saying, I was saying that it's a lot harder than "do do it". The last thing you can say is don't be selfish.[/QUOTE]
Telling them its selfish you probably make them more likely to do it.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;43676847]After reading the message of his wife, I have no sympathies for him, only for his wife.[/QUOTE]
You are an awful person and you should feel ashamed of yourself.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43676728]What is even the point of this debate? Humans are inherently selfish and we do everything for the sake of our own interests[/QUOTE]
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I don't think this was posted but this was a "duet" with Jonathan Mann (Song a Day)
[video=youtube;LRKyCnC6nlw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRKyCnC6nlw[/video]
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;43677460]You are an awful person and you should feel ashamed of yourself.[/QUOTE]
I might be, but that doesn't change the fact that the person in question is any less awful of a person.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;43677835]I don't think this was posted but this was a "duet" with Jonathan Mann (Song a Day)
[video=youtube;LRKyCnC6nlw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRKyCnC6nlw[/video][/QUOTE]
Goddamn it, that song sounds like a memorial, it came out a day before he killed himself too.
People calling people with depression names and stuff, you're only making the problem worse.
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