UK: Police and buildings attacked as thousands of students protest for free education - Polidicks

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;46528140]i'm investing my student loan so i earn above RPI on it and make money from it. stocks and shares isa + good fund manager and i'm laughing all the way to the pension[/QUOTE] This is only possible if you have an alternative source of income.

My college is 2580 EUR a year, and 7580 Eur for NON EU students.

You shouldn't agree to pay then protest later. I respect the idea of a free education, but that's not what's going on here.

"Students and Workers unite and fight" I've said this before, but I love the irony of middle and upper class students claiming to represent the workers. The working class aren't interested in ideology and revolution, all they want is what's best for their family while all the Trotskyist students protesting care about is sticking it to system because they've never had to work for anything in life and have a belief system made up of entrenched moral absolutism.

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[QUOTE=pvt.meh;46528153]i would still rather be in no debt.[/QUOTE] You will be though, unless you plan on buying your home in cash and never owning a credit card. You'll do well to live a debt free life You'll be paying your mortgage no matter how much you earn, no matter how long it takes. If you can't afford it then you'll be homeless. Compare that to a student loan.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46528244]You shouldn't agree to pay then protest later. I respect the idea of a free education, but that's not what's going on here.[/QUOTE] How so? A non violent strategy of asking hasn't helped, the prices were tripled recently. These students realize that using peace is a bullshit strategy (we are taught so many times that peace is the answer) even though countries have been fighting wars for ever. Why doesn't someone try to peacefully get North Korea to stop being an awful country? Because its impossible, only way things are going to change is if a new leader changes everything (which wont happen) or some country goes in there and puts a halt to it with military power.

[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;46528260][img]https://i.imgur.com/TcddahI.png[/img][/QUOTE] [img]http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00534/149228679__534673c.jpg[/img] I'll bash yer fookin ead in I swear on m'lud

[QUOTE=matt.ant;46527881]Depends what you mean by college, college here is age 16-18 and it's free[/QUOTE] UK college = High School in US UK University = College in US Just to set the things straight before people get confused

Had friends down there today, hope they're alright :l

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46528323]UK college = High School in US UK University = College in US Just to set the things straight before people get confused[/QUOTE] Not to mention the terms college and university are sometimes used interchangeably, and sometimes a college is a subsection of a university.

[QUOTE=Madtoker;46528295]How so? A non violent strategy of asking hasn't helped, the prices were tripled recently. These students realize that using peace is a bullshit strategy (we are taught so many times that peace is the answer) even though countries have been fighting wars for ever. Why doesn't someone try to peacefully get North Korea to stop being an awful country? Because its impossible, only way things are going to change is if a new leader changes everything (which wont happen) or some country goes in there and puts a halt to it with military power.[/QUOTE] Escalating to violence over a civil matter is a surefire way to destroy your credibility and undermine your cause.

This isn't even the main issue. Cost is nothing compared to the impact the central policy of getting people into higher education. Everyone should be allowed to do it, but degrees are losing their credibility and value as time goes on.

[QUOTE=Duskin;46527831]Cost of it. Uni fees tripled like 2 years ago.[/QUOTE] Lol? You think those are high? Motherfuckers it would cost me less to go to school in Europe than it would for just the tuition in a lot of US universities. Like, bring those protests here please, we need them.

[QUOTE=draugur;46528482]Lol? You think those are high? Motherfuckers it would cost me less to go to school in Europe than it would for just the tuition in a lot of US universities. Like, bring those protests here please, we need them.[/QUOTE] "I had to pay more therefore that means that the fee in the UK isn't actually high" ???

Don't read the comments, it may hurt you otherwise.

The debt isn't the problem, it has no interest, and you only pay it off in the tiniest amounts so long as you earn over ~£21,000. The problem is that too many people are going to universities, which generally cost quite a lot to pay everyone and maintain the buildings and keep the utilities going.

[QUOTE=Duskin;46527940]It's quite a lot of money like. English students need to pay like £27,000 just for a single Honours degree, and then when you add on 3 years of maintenance loans it adds up to about £36,000. That doesn't even factor in all their expenses too, so add a few more thousand ontop of that depending on how you live and if you're living at home etc.[/QUOTE] Maybe so but it's still one of the best loans you'll ever get in terms of paying it back, It's not like the american loans that can bankrupt you IIRC.

Education can be expensive in the US too, with it sometimes going way over 40k and then the number of people that are against reducing college tutition because "communism" or "socialism" is outright stupid too

I am from a very middle class area, but in my sixth form you are in the tiny minority if you don't plan on going to uni, whereas a while ago it was the exception rather than the rule.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;46528131]Student debt is by far the best debt you'll ever be in. No other debt will be as forgiving and lenient.[/QUOTE] This is not true for Americans or Canadians.

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46527938]At least they are fighting for something meaningful[/QUOTE] more meaning full then those anti corporation protests a few weeks ago. oh boy those were fun to watch.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46528323]UK college = High School in US UK University = College in US Just to set the things straight before people get confused[/QUOTE] Kinda. We have High School too, though its called Secondary School in most places. College here would probably be called Community College in the US. University does = US College.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;46528261]You will be though, unless you plan on buying your home in cash and never owning a credit card. You'll do well to live a debt free life You'll be paying your mortgage no matter how much you earn, no matter how long it takes. If you can't afford it then you'll be homeless. Compare that to a student loan.[/QUOTE] except this isn't about mortgages or credit cards. this is about student loans. just because I will have some debt doesn't mean I should have more on top of that.

[QUOTE=kill3r;46528588]"I had to pay more therefore that means that the fee in the UK isn't actually high" ???[/QUOTE] Badreading.png

I support the protesters, but not the attacks on police, that's wrong.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46528928]This is not true for Americans or Canadians.[/QUOTE] shame this isnt a thread about americans then?

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46528323]UK college = High School in US UK University = College in US Just to set the things straight before people get confused[/QUOTE] uk undergrad uni yeah

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[QUOTE=ToumaniSquirrel;46527803]I thought European education was better than most places. What's going on?[/QUOTE] They are protesting for the price of education, not for the quality of it. Also UK isn't your typical European country.