I wanted to take you seriously, but you keep doing shit like this: Fez Creator Phil Fish Says YouTub - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45147422]I think the issue is whether or not gameplay should be copyrightable. I'd understand not allowing people to use your cutscenes in their video but I don't believe that a video of someone playing the interactive parts of your game should remain your property.[/QUOTE] Cutscenes are best done when done through gameplay. What about the stanley parable? Although I'm still in favor of some parts of it being used, even in that case, because when i first heard about it, nothing ever said that it was a humorous exploration game. Just that its an "experience". Gameplay videos eventually communicated what the game was and I bought it after. But again, if someone was going to upload videos of themselves doing a playthrough, there is no way they should make a penny from it.

I think Phil is a massive dick, but I agree with him here.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45146989]The design of a car, and even in some cases the sound of a car, are trademarks. Companies pour millions of dollars into research and development for every aspect of their vehicles. [/quote] In case of a car the R&D is some portion of price of the car. In case of the game, the equivalent of R&D is 100% of the cost (not counting advertising/distribution but that applies to cars as well). Your car also doesn't get less useful every time somebody sees it. Movies and games do.[quote] Video games have other functionality, just like cars. While their visuals and audio are a big part of the experience, the gameplay is the main focus and everyone will play it a little bit different. The way someone plays a game is absolutely their original creation, and I don't think you'll disagree with me that their commentary is as well. [/QUOTE] There's difference between being able to make critique and being able to make money off of it. And the amount of interaction variety is just taking away PART of the value, but not all of it. I could argue that it's fine to just buy someone's game, gut three levels, and resell it again because well it's not the whole bulk of it, is it? Also, what about games like Gone Home? Gameplay is practically irrelevant, the content is all what matters, and can be wholly conveyed through a video.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45146679]Like I said last time Nintendo did this shit, if I post a video of myself driving a Honda I don't owe Honda anything. If I post a video of myself playing Game, I shouldn't owe GameDev anything. They absolutely own the intellectual property but the way I interact with their product belongs to me and I should be able to do whatever I want with footage of it. What's next, corrugated cardboard companies suing people for unboxing videos? Give me a break.[/QUOTE] When you buy a game, you buy a license to use that game. You don't own the game itself.

What about Starcraft 2? Should the tournaments give the devs money for every minute they show footage of the matches? What about all the other E-sport games? [editline]18th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Map in a box;45147838]When you buy a game, you buy a license to use that game. You don't own the game itself.[/QUOTE] In germany you do

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;45146446][img]http://www.cephalofair.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/fez.png[/img] yup... art.. appreciating those visuals. Maybe hes a little after his time?[/QUOTE] I fucking hate people who do some big ass pixels in the screen and call that shit "art" you want some [I]REAL[/I] pixel art? [IMG]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs32/f/2008/195/d/6/iso_castle_by_fool.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/013/b/0/Dragon_rider_by_fool.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;45146894]Not every indie dev is, but a lot of them are arrogant assholes. I prefer to stick to humble Japanese devs.[/QUOTE] [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AXeupn6JiwQ/UOzVatxuxOI/AAAAAAAACMU/0FwjX0-9x4U/s1600/slow+day.png[/img] i prefer the badass ones

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;45148244]I fucking hate people who do some big ass pixels in the screen and call that shit "art" you want some [I]REAL[/I] pixel art?[/QUOTE] okay but if you're an indie dev do you expect to make an entire game looking like that at a reasonable price

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;45146574]Try to think beyond the direct context and see from the perspective from the one who made the original content[/QUOTE] So you're suggesting that every time someone wins a prize pool in an Auto-X with a modified Miata Mazda is entitled to most of the winnings? Every time someone wins a marathon with a prize pool Nike deserves it? And what about when you win a boat race, does Evinrude get 75% of the winnings because their engine powered the boat? The answer is, of course, a huge resounding no. Video game LPs are no different. What the LPers are monetizing is [i]their effort[/i], not that of the game's developer. They are monitizing the time and the energy they spent not only playing the game, but editing the clip, uploading it, and they're getting a cut for the humor they bring across as well. It's no different than the shadetree mechanic that bought a secondhand MX-5, fixed it up a bit, added safety gear, and kicked a bit of ass on the road course. He's being paid for his effort in modifying and racing the car, not because Mazda made a great little sports car. Mazda got their fair compensation when they initially sold that car to the first customer, likewise Phil Fish initially got his from the sale he made when the LPer bought their copy of Fez.

Shut up Phil Fish, everything you say makes my brain numb with stupidity

How is phil fish relevant? Seriously he's just one asshole with no power. You guys should be upset if it was some lawmaker saying this.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45146424]Well anything can be considered art in any case, it just depends on how many people accept it as such.[/QUOTE]Hey guys! I just created a work of art in my toilet! Come check it out! :v:

I always thought of Let's Plays being performances using a video game as their stage. And that most of them are bottom of the barrel shit.

[QUOTE=SexualShark;45146657][IMG]http://cdn.destructoid.com//ul/256717-Untitled-1.jpg[/IMG] people took this guy seriously[/QUOTE] Looks like a pretty normal hipster nerd, but with insane mutton chops.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;45146705]The difference between a Car and a Game is that the Car isn't a consumable product[/QUOTE] yeah i was going to lend my roommate my copy of bayonetta but i already played it so now its gone

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;45150899]yeah i was going to lend my roommate my copy of bayonetta but i already played it so now its gone[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be surprised if it's technically illegal to lend a game to someone seeing as how you don't actually own it.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;45146751]That's a pretty good photo of him. What point are you trying to make?[/QUOTE] he looks like a fag

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45146679]If I post a video of myself playing Game, I shouldn't owe GameDev anything. [/QUOTE] You're right, and you shouldn't owe anything to the developers of the game either.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;45146446][img]http://www.cephalofair.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/fez.png[/img] yup... art.. appreciating those visuals. Maybe hes a little after his time?[/QUOTE] I despise phil fish and I never liked Fez. But how it looks is seriously the best part about it, and bashing the artstyle as if it's objectively bad either shows jealousy or stupidity.

While I KIND OF agree with him in that devs should get a cut of this business, I think it's Google that should be paying the devs, not the uploaders. Google takes something like 80% of the ad revenue or some other ridiculous number from youtube partners.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;45147063]It's not really fair use if you're making tons of money off of other people's work.[/QUOTE] If this were accepted, this would mean that any form of work parodying an original would be no longer acceptable without loadsamoney being given to the creators of the original, if at all.

[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;45153261]While I KIND OF agree with him in that devs should get a cut of this business, I think it's Google that should be paying the devs, not the uploaders. Google takes something like 80% of the ad revenue or some other ridiculous number from youtube partners.[/QUOTE] Now that is the part of this that is unfair. The site that hosts the content gets way, way more money than the people who actually create the content. That's just wrong.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45146176]rip in peace gone but not forgotten by the rest of the Internet[/QUOTE] never forget [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuDqraUlUcM[/media]

phil fish is amazing he makes 1 average game that a dude in newgrounds can make and he has one of the biggest ego i have ever seen in the gaming industry

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45153955]phil fish is amazing he makes 1 average game that a dude in newgrounds can make and he has one of the biggest ego i have ever seen in the gaming industry[/QUOTE] More like he makes an [I]ok[/I] game with great visual design and great audio. And he has a huge ego. Just because he's a dick doesn't mean his work is automatically bad.

[QUOTE=paul simon;45154336]More like he makes an [I]ok[/I] game with great visual design and great audio. And he has a huge ego. Just because he's a dick doesn't mean his work is automatically bad.[/QUOTE] when did i say his work sucked, i said his game was average. fez is a game that newground dishes out, the only difference is the length since it's an actual paid game phil fish is still a gigantic dick

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45153955]phil fish is amazing he makes 1 average game that a dude in newgrounds can make and he has one of the biggest ego i have ever seen in the gaming industry[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fez_(video_game)#Reception[/url] [img]http://i.imgur.com/W1VhSQY.png[/img] I'm not standing up for this guy, but it's really quite funny when people call Fez, "awful" or "bad". There's a reason it got tons of awards and extremely good ratings. Stop being butthurt because of what a dev SAID and THINKS. Also, link me to the average game on newgrounds that got the same amount of reception as this, please. :v:

[QUOTE=kwk;45154549][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fez_(video_game)#Reception[/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/W1VhSQY.png[/IMG] I'm not standing up for this guy, but it's really quite funny when people call Fez, "awful" or "bad". There's a reason it got tons of awards and extremely good ratings. Stop being butthurt because of what a dev SAID and THINKS.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_3#Reception[/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Qutob5D.png[/IMG] go home everyone, an opinion on games are now entirely objective! p.s: i played Fez before i knew who phil fish was cause the artwork looked cute it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either, it was just a decent time-killer until i got bored p.s.s: phil fish is still a dick

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45154580][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_3#Reception[/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Qutob5D.png[/IMG] go home everyone, an opinion on games are now entirely objective! p.s: i played Fez before i knew who phil fish was cause the artwork looked cute it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either, it was just a decent time-killer until i got bored p.s.s: phil fish is still a dick[/QUOTE] Using a CoD game isn't the best example. Of course they're "good", they're just hated by a huge portion of it's audience that can think for themselves, and already figured out it's formula for success. Fez is a good game, I'm sorry that you think it's a bad flash game that's comparable to an average newgrounds game because it's big, bad dev doesn't have the same opinions as you.

[QUOTE=kwk;45154628]Using a CoD game isn't the best example. Of course they're "good", they're just hated by a huge portion of it's audience that can think for themselves, and already figured out it's formula for success. Fez is a good game, I'm sorry that you think it's a bad flash game that's comparable to an average newgrounds game because it's big, bad dev doesn't have the same opinions as you.[/QUOTE] i like how you keep trying to twist my words lol "it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either" = "its a bad flash game and i call it that cause i think dev is a dick" well done m8