I wanted to take you seriously, but you keep doing shit like this: Fez Creator Phil Fish Says YouTub - Polidicks

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45154658]i like how you keep trying to twist my words lol "it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either" = "its a bad flash game and i call it that cause i think dev is a dick" well done m8[/QUOTE] You literally said [QUOTE=lolwutdude;45154479]fez is a game that newground dishes out,[/QUOTE] = it's a bad flash game

Didn't phil do like 10% of the work on Fez and the other guy did the rest yet nobody ever credits him.

[QUOTE=Eric95;45155293]You literally said = it's a bad flash game[/QUOTE] lol, it's your problem if you wanna twist it like that, not me you're inserting your own opinion of newgrounds' work into my statements

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;45148244]I fucking hate people who do some big ass pixels in the screen and call that shit "art" you want some [I]REAL[/I] pixel art?[/quote] "I don't like it, therefore it's not art". Just because you don't understand the aesthetic or intent behind a piece of work does not mean it's any less art than anything else.

[QUOTE=kwk;45154549][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fez_(video_game)#Reception[/url] [img]http://i.imgur.com/W1VhSQY.png[/img] I'm not standing up for this guy, but it's really quite funny when people call Fez, "awful" or "bad". There's a reason it got tons of awards and extremely good ratings. Stop being butthurt because of what a dev SAID and THINKS. [B]Also, link me to the average game on newgrounds that got the same amount of reception as this, please.[/B] :v:[/QUOTE] There was some guy that made a game like Fez in flash, except it was developed a lot quicker and released over a year before Fez. [url]http://armorgames.com/play/10899/sky-island[/url] It also has enemies, difficulty, consequences for dying and overall better gameplay mechanics than Fez.

Relevant. It's long but it puts the entire Phil Fish dilemma into perspective quite well. [video=youtube;PmTUW-owa2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTUW-owa2w[/video]

[QUOTE=blerb;45155640]Relevant. It's long but it puts the entire Phil Fish dilemma into perspective quite well. [video=youtube;PmTUW-owa2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTUW-owa2w[/video][/QUOTE] But yeah, there are a lot of people who think that let's plays shouldn't be monetised Why does it matter this much Phil Fish agrees with this?

Game Devs Should Pay YouTubers "Small Portion" of Revenue

[QUOTE=JuiceHead3311;45155743]Game Devs Should Pay YouTubers "Small Portion" of Revenue[/QUOTE] So if I upload one cat video a day, I'll get a small portion of revenue because I frequently upload to YouTube, and therefore am a YouTuber? Alright.

[video=youtube;FzeULO59hG0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzeULO59hG0[/video] Response from TB.

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;45155951][video=youtube;FzeULO59hG0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzeULO59hG0[/video] Response from TB.[/QUOTE] How long does it take to show off Fez's mechanics? 2 minutes? Showcasing a game for 24 minutes and using that as your video footage, without putting any effort into the creative content on your part, is a real dick move, and is undeserved ad revenue. The video has audio commentary of TB trying to form a proper argument, but proportionally, he has contributed next to nothing to the video, and instead rides off of the gameplay footage. A good comparison: Would his podcast with the same audio generate nearly as many listeners? No.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;45146446][img]http://www.cephalofair.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/fez.png[/img] yup... art.. appreciating those visuals. Maybe hes a little after his time?[/QUOTE] Receives dmca takedown notice for posting. Reason: Piracy

When does a video of a game become piracy? If i upload a video with 100+ games, does that mean i have done the equivilent of pirating 100+ games? What if i upload a short video of a game? Is that piracy? Is uploading footage of multiplayer games pirating since each experience is unique and you can't really re-enact what videos of multiplayer show?

Alot of people dont actually like to play games shocking right but get this that doesn't mean they don't like games. they just dont want to play it. they either dont have enough time, patience, or skill to grind through each and every game they're interested in and master its mechanics. For people like me, watching LPs is exactly the same as watching someone's taping of a movie with them talking over it the comments may be amazing, but at the end of the day, Im there to see the game.

[QUOTE=willtheoct;45156131]How long does it take to show off Fez's mechanics? 2 minutes? Showcasing a game for 24 minutes and using that as your video footage, without putting any effort into the creative content on your part, is a real dick move, and is undeserved ad revenue. The video has audio commentary of TB trying to form a proper argument, but proportionally, he has contributed next to nothing to the video, and instead rides off of the gameplay footage. A good comparison: Would his podcast with the same audio generate nearly as many listeners? No.[/QUOTE] Because we like to watch their face? If TB did a video like this but with a webcam, I'd have no problem with it.

Other than the whole, "If you can't post a movie on YT, then you can't do it for gameplay!" argument, Phil has a point, but then TB made a pretty good point: Why did Phil Fish have to be one the to bring this up? Considering he's so controversial. The only argument for people able to get revenue off of YT Gameplay videos/LP's is that it's "free advertisement" for the Game Developers. If you get no revenue and you do LP's for fun, then that's fine, according to Phil Fish, which is what I'd agree with, but if you get cash and literally live off of this stuff, then you probably should give the dev a little credit. If people are watching for your "personality", then start a vlog, which is what all those weird tumblr kids do. Until then, you are [b]technically[/b] making cash off of other people's work, and all you're doing is putting your voice over it.

[QUOTE=willtheoct;45156131]How long does it take to show off Fez's mechanics? 2 minutes? Showcasing a game for 24 minutes and using that as your video footage, without putting any effort into the creative content on your part, is a real dick move, and is undeserved ad revenue. The video has audio commentary of TB trying to form a proper argument, but proportionally, he has contributed next to nothing to the video, and instead rides off of the gameplay footage.[/QUOTE] Are you saying you watched that video for the Fez footage? I strongly suggest you 'rewatch' the video and just listen to his argument, the actual point of the video. Some footage of "Generic platform game Y" is not going to be the reason people are going to watch it. [QUOTE=willtheoct;45156131]A good comparison: Would his podcast with the same audio generate nearly as many listeners? No.[/QUOTE] No, because the podcast does not have the same audience.

[QUOTE=willtheoct;45156131]How long does it take to show off Fez's mechanics? 2 minutes? Showcasing a game for 24 minutes and using that as your video footage, without putting any effort into the creative content on your part, is a real dick move, and is undeserved ad revenue. The video has audio commentary of TB trying to form a proper argument, but proportionally, he has contributed next to nothing to the video, and instead rides off of the gameplay footage. A good comparison: Would his podcast with the same audio generate nearly as many listeners? No.[/QUOTE] I'm not the biggest fan of TB, in fact I think the circlejerk abuilt around him is too much. But cmon, I'd argue that most people actively ignore the video and listen to it in the background, yes it would work as a podcast because you click on in to hear what TB has to say, the gameplay footage is just wasted bandwidth to be honest. Would it work as podcast? Yes. Would his podcast with the same audio generate nearly as many listeners? No, because it wouldn't be on Youtube, otherwise yes.

[QUOTE=willtheoct;45156131]How long does it take to show off Fez's mechanics? 2 minutes? Showcasing a game for 24 minutes and using that as your video footage, without putting any effort into the creative content on your part, is a real dick move, and is undeserved ad revenue. The video has audio commentary of TB trying to form a proper argument, but proportionally, he has contributed next to nothing to the video, and instead rides off of the gameplay footage. A good comparison: Would his podcast with the same audio generate nearly as many listeners? No.[/QUOTE]Yeah, those bits where the player backtracked into already-fully-explored rooms and jumped around while rotating really carried this piece. Might as well just mute the audio, so those mouth noises don't get in the way of the spectacle.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;45146446][img]http://www.cephalofair.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/fez.png[/img] yup... art.. appreciating those visuals. Maybe hes a little after his time?[/QUOTE] The game is 3D but you can only tell during the transition between sides. A screenshot is useless. The visuals are actually the best part of the game. [editline]19th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Pennywise;45159971]Yeah, those bits where the player backtracked into already-fully-explored rooms and jumped around while rotating really carried this piece. Might as well just mute the audio, so those mouth noises don't get in the way of the spectacle.[/QUOTE] He played the game and explored unconventionally to make a point about how each person's gameplay is unique. It was one of the first points he made in the video.

[QUOTE=kwk;45157146]Until then, you are [b]technically[/b] making cash off of other people's work, and all you're doing is putting your voice over it.[/QUOTE] I'm getting sick of this argument. Unless you are on an island uploading footage using a router and camera you made out of a coconut, you are using something made by someone else to make your content, and it could be argued you're making cash off of "other people's work". That's not an argument, it's an appeal to emotion. It's technically true, but it's trying to imply something that is negative and isn't necessarily true (that the "other people" did all the work and therefore you are stealing from them). There are a ton of things that we protect that are "technically" using other people's work. Reviewers wouldn't be anywhere without something to review. Parodies wouldn't exist without something to parody. If people watched lets plays for the games that are being played and not the people playing them, then there wouldn't be any popular lets players (except for whoever plays the most popular games). Of all the arguments I see against lets players being allowed to monetize content, that's easily the weakest, but it's the one I see most often because it's intellectually dishonest in such a tricky way that it's difficult to argue against.

Making money by creating videos showing content other people make (in this case, gameplay footage) should have some kind of fee imo. It's still content other people make and the video creators benefit from it, fair use is not cut and dry, for commercial purposes it depends on various factors. If the video creators do not earn any money, there shouldn't be any fee, but if they are earning cash things are a lot different.

[QUOTE=bunguer;45162020]Making money by creating videos showing content other people make (in this case, gameplay footage) should have some kind of fee imo. It's still content other people make and the video creators benefit from it, fair use is not cut and dry, for commercial purposes it depends on various factors. If the video creators do not earn any money, there shouldn't be any fee, but if they are earning cash things are a lot different.[/QUOTE] Because content that is truly the creators, like their own commentary, isn't theirs? So that the company claiming the video is now profiting off the video creators work?

[QUOTE=paul simon;45152420] But how it looks is seriously the best part about it, and bashing the artstyle as if it's objectively bad either shows jealousy or stupidity.[/QUOTE] Yeah, Fez is a genuinely good game (91 on metascore), I don't really know why people are bashing it out of anything Fish says. The content of Fez and Fish's dumb opinions have nothing to do with each other. [editline]19th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;45160318]The game is 3D but you can only tell during the transition between sides. A screenshot is useless. The visuals are actually the best part of the game. [/QUOTE] Facepunch bandwagoned pretty hard on the funny ratings for that screenshot because nobody does any research.

[QUOTE=redsoxrock;45162186]Because content that is truly the creators, like their own commentary, isn't theirs? So that the company claiming the video is now profiting off the video creators work?[/QUOTE] Hold on, I don't think companies should claim the commentators video, but I do think they should get a fee if those commentators also receive money. The thing that makes these cases complicated is that they have commercial purposes, and you have to handle it as such. They aren't making 30s reviews either, they are showing a lot of gameplay footage and earning money with it. Now you can argue that games are much more than seeing it on video, but games are varied and can range from things like Minecraft to streamlined game-like-movies like Heavy Rain or Beyond Two Souls - different games for different folks. Say you show the whole Heavy Rain game and make money off it, how different is it from showing a full movie? Imo it isn't a clear cut case, but if money is involved content creators should receive a cut.