[Business Insider] IT'S OFFICIAL: The Whole World Thinks Republicans Are Dangerous Maniacs Threateni - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31182221] It is better to implement policies without giving a rats ass than to stick to some principles and not do anything.[/QUOTE] No it isn't you maniac

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31181745]Nixon was a good president, at least he got shit done.[/QUOTE] Yeah, he was really good at being a crook.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31182258]No it isn't you maniac[/QUOTE] Yes it is. You must achieve a goal. If you go against your religion do so. If it goes against your culture then do so. If it goes against whatever then make it happen, the only concern is that you come out best in the deal and succeed in your endeavours. You must not be restricted by ideas that hem you in and stop you.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31182347]Yes it is. You must achieve a goal. If you go against your religion do so. If it goes against your culture then do so. If it goes against whatever then make it happen, the only concern is that you come out best in the deal and succeed in your endeavours. You must not be restricted by ideas that hem you in and stop you.[/QUOTE] Aren't you the guy who wants humanity to become immortal as cyborgs or something Because "achieve a goal no matter what" isn't compatible with "everyone lives forever"

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31182373]Aren't you the guy who wants humanity to become immortal as cyborgs or something Because "achieve a goal no matter what" isn't compatible with "everyone lives forever"[/QUOTE] Yeah, he's the nutter around here.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31182373]Aren't you the guy who wants humanity to become immortal as cyborgs or something Because "achieve a goal no matter what" isn't compatible with "everyone lives forever"[/QUOTE] I said achieve a goal. That is the only concern a state should have, and that is to achieve a goal without caring for the ethical, moral or idealogical concerns involved. If you need to kill a 12 year old to become duke of Bavaria then do it. Not to imply I ever have.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31182413]I said achieve a goal. That is the only concern a state should have, and that is to achieve a goal without caring for the ethical, moral or idealogical concerns involved.[/QUOTE] What if the state's goal is to be ethical and moral

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31182415]What if the state's goal is to be ethical and moral[/QUOTE] A states goal is national interest or security/expansion. Every state has these goals.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31182469]A states goal is national interest or security/expansion. Every state has these goals.[/QUOTE] Military might isn't going to create a better world everyone's goal should be to create a better world

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31182469]A states goal is national interest or security/expansion. Every state has these goals.[/QUOTE] It's in a state's national interest to be more ethical and moral because it will make that state look better in the eyes of the populous and the world.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31182564]Military might isn't going to create a better world everyone's goal should be to create a better world[/QUOTE] No, everybody is driven by competitive self interest. People only want to make a better world if its in their best interest. [QUOTE=Megafanx13;31182599]It's in a state's national interest to be more ethical and moral because it will make that state look better in the eyes of the populous and the world.[/QUOTE] If so its because it is once again in their best interest.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31182601]No, everybody is driven by competitive self interest. People only want to make a better world if its in their best interest.[/QUOTE] It's in everyone's best interest

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31182619]It's in everyone's best interest[/QUOTE] I concur.

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[QUOTE=Zeke129;31182619]It's in everyone's best interest[/QUOTE] If so how come the world is not a utopia? Surely its in their best interest?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31182654]If so how come the world is not a utopia? Surely its in their best interest?[/QUOTE] Because people don't always (or even usually) act in their best interest

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31182683]Because people don't always (or even usually) act in their best interest[/QUOTE] No, all humans act in their self interest. Always. Even those whom sacrifice themselves in death do it because they A. Know they will be commemorated after death or B. Will be rewarded in an afterlife. Humans are naturally selfish.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31182719]No, all humans act in their self interest. Always. Even those whom sacrifice themselves in death do it because they A. Know they will be commemorated after death or B. Will be rewarded in an afterlife. Humans are naturally selfish.[/QUOTE] self interest is not always best interest

In pretty much any other developed world, another countries conservative would be considered liberal here.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31182719]No, all humans act in their self interest. Always. Even those whom sacrifice themselves in death do it because they A. Know they will be commemorated after death or B. Will be rewarded in an afterlife. Humans are naturally selfish.[/QUOTE] nah

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31182719]No, all humans act in their self interest.[/QUOTE] No, not all humans do.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31182811]No, not all humans do.[/QUOTE] That is what you wish to believe.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31182840]That is what you wish to believe.[/QUOTE] Unless you can back up your assertion with a source other than your own mind, then why would I lend you any credibility?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31182840]That is what you wish to believe.[/QUOTE] unless you're one of those people who claim that everything is selfish because doing good things makes you feel good and that alone counts as selfish then people don't only do selfish things

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31182258]No it isn't you maniac[/QUOTE] Sobotnik likes to pretend he's Machiavelli [editline]17th July 2011[/editline] Problem is, he doesn't have an intelligent strand in that empty little head of his, so it fails fucking miserably.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;31143317]Both the left wing AND the right wing parties in Sweden supported Obama during the 2008 presidential elections. Virtually everyone here hated Bush while he still was in office. His visit to Gothenburg in 2001 amassed around 50,000 protestors and led to a full scale riot. Yes, people here do think that the republicans are insane.[/QUOTE] Our (Swedish) "right-wing" parties rank far left by American standards.

[QUOTE=amute;31183084]Sobotnik likes to pretend he's Machiavelli [editline]17th July 2011[/editline] Problem is, he doesn't have an intelligent strand in that empty little head of his, so it fails fucking miserably.[/QUOTE] A head small and empty? In comparison to one full to a great extent with faecal matter and disproportionately sized in comparison of that of an averagely sized skull such as my own?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31182865]Unless you can back up your assertion with a source other than your own mind, then why would I lend you any credibility?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;31182599]It's in a state's national interest to be more ethical and moral because it will make that state look better in the eyes of the [B]populace[/B] and the world.[/QUOTE] Let me just sit over here tapping my foot. [QUOTE=Zeke129;31182683]Because people don't always (or even usually) act in their best interest[/QUOTE] It was never in, say, Blackwater's best interest to make the world "better", because they made their money off war, political corruption, pandering to religious idiocy and murder. You should be aware of this concept from baby's first ethics class when you discussed the inherent flaws of utilitarianism. I hate Sob's normal bullshit as much as the rest of you but right now you guys are acting fucking dense.

Say whatever you want but you know Sobotnik is a cutie pie when he pretends to be Machiavelli.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;31184682]Say whatever you want but you know Sobotnik is a cutie pie when he pretends to be Machiavelli.[/QUOTE] If I wassa Machiavelli I woulda be imitatinga Italiano.