♪'Tis the season to be hatin'♪: Atheists Wage War On Christmas In Times Square. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=dass;38803421]Why do you have to be a cunt to everyone else? Why not just believe in the God of Presents?[/QUOTE] Uh, what?

I am an christian and I hate when Atheists do this. Ruining our religion and culture

[QUOTE=Black;38803485]I am an christian and I hate when Atheists do this. Ruining our religion and culture[/QUOTE] i find it weird you didnt capitalize christian but you capitalized atheist... also yea we certainly ruin your religion and culture. we just sit around in big conference rooms around the country thinking of how we can ruin christian culture.

Who the fuck cares if it offends some people? That's the god damn point! As yawmen said it's sending a message that athiests aren't just going to sit on the sidelines anymore.

seriously though your religion was sorta ruined by over 1000 years of torture, war, abuse, and oppression. most atheists probably wouldn't have any beef with any of the religions if they hadn't been used so quickly to justify genocide and murder.

[QUOTE=David29;38802758]Unfortunately, you will always get extremists - both theist and atheist - who just can't simply accept the idea of people holding opposing views.[/QUOTE] Religious extremists detonate explosive vests in the middle of crowded marketplaces Atheistic extremists put up mild billboards and write books

[QUOTE=Winters;38803524]Who the fuck cares if it offends some people? That's the god damn point! As yawmen said it's sending a message that athiests aren't just going to sit on the sidelines anymore.[/QUOTE] Then, who is the message really for? Atheists don't need to be told Jesus is a myth, and Christians will just find it too insulting to take seriously. Just saying, there are probably more effective ways of promoting the Atheist movement than insulting the group you want to reach.

[QUOTE=Winters;38803524]Who the fuck cares if it offends some people? That's the god damn point! As yawmen said it's sending a message that athiests aren't just going to sit on the sidelines anymore.[/QUOTE] Because it just stirs controversy and only strengthens the arguments made against atheists. If they truly want progress, they need to stay above the fray and clear up misunderstandings, rather than blindly attack the other side for what they believe. [editline]12th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;38803553]Religious extremists detonate explosive vests in the middle of crowded marketplaces Atheistic extremists put up mild billboards and write books[/QUOTE] Or advocate for the complete genocide/eradication of religion. [QUOTE]only when faith is completely eradicated can live-saving medical science (eg stem cell research) advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;38803590]Because it just stirs controversy and only strengthens the arguments made against atheists. If they truly want progress, they need to stay above the fray and clear up misunderstandings, rather than blindly attack the other side for what they believe. [/QUOTE] How is calling a myth a myth a blind attack? We know now that the tides, squalls, and storms of the open sea are controlled by geological, meteorological, and astrological elements. If I suggest that Poseidon is actually behind it, and someone tells me that's wrong, is that a "blind attack" on my religion or is it using critical thinking to call a myt.h what it is, a myth. [QUOTE=Splash Attack;38803590] Or advocate for the complete genocide/eradication of religion.[/QUOTE] You can't genocide religion, genocide has a very clear, concise, simple definition so please learn what it means before using it out of context. Also were we going to get a source on that quote?

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;38803586]Then, who is the message really for? Atheists don't need to be told Jesus is a myth, and Christians will just find it too insulting to take seriously. Just saying, there are probably more effective ways of promoting the Atheist movement than insulting the group you want to reach.[/QUOTE] you dont need to reach christianity yet. there is an inevitable struggle whenever a minority wants to achieve tolerance with the mainstream. the atheist movement is at the point of the struggle where there is controversy and backlash against them. you don't need to reach the christians, you just need them to understand that you are there and you're not going to be quiet anymore. once there is that mutual understanding then you can start to move forward with the respect and shit.

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;38803590] Or advocate for the complete genocide/eradication of religion.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but a genocide on religion doesn't have to necessarily involve genocide on people.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;38803708]Yeah, but a genocide on religion doesn't have to necessarily involve genocide on people.[/QUOTE] that's what genocide is though. it's the eradication of a group of people who hold shared beliefs or ethnicity. if you don't kill people it can't be a genocide.

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;38803590]Because it just stirs controversy[/QUOTE] I know it seems counterintuitive, but this has been proven time and time again to be a good thing for groups who need wider representation. You don't get people to acknowledge your existence as a group by acting exactly as society expects you to all the time. You get people to sit up and notice by pissing people off or straight up [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots]wrecking shit[/url], if you're the LGBT community and being gay is explicitly illegal (not that I advocate atheists doing that. I reckon american atheists can get where they want to be without violence.)

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38803393]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_j9oDqG2zBGE/SSBnZtggoiI/AAAAAAAACYg/58u13yH3d8s/s1600/christian%2Bbillboard%2Bfive.jpg [url]http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/charles_ucsb/big_bang.jpg[/url] [url]http://willblogforfoodboston.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/atheist_billboard.jpg[/url][/QUOTE] And yet i don't see the drama over these, people should stop giving that much of a shit about some random billboard.

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;38803590]Or advocate for the complete genocide/eradication of religion.[/QUOTE] you don't have to commit genocide to get people to stop taking an idea seriously, you muppet

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38803721]that's what genocide is though. it's the eradication of a group of people who hold shared beliefs or ethnicity. if you don't kill people it can't be a genocide.[/QUOTE] True but I don't think that remark was meant as a literal/genuine genocide.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38803393] [img]http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/charles_ucsb/big_bang.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE] I'm with God on this one, that show's pretty awful.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;38803724]I know it seems counterintuitive, but this has been proven time and time again to be a good thing for groups who need wider representation. You don't get people to acknowledge your existence as a group by acting exactly as society expects you to all the time. You get people to sit up and notice by pissing people off or straight up [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots]wrecking shit[/url], if you're the LGBT community and being gay is explicitly illegal (not that I advocate atheists doing that. I reckon american atheists can get where they want to be without violence.)[/QUOTE] Sensationalist Headlines Protip: If someone is saying "They should probably do x because it would be more effective than y" it's probably some poorly thought out bullshit that doesn't give results. We see the same thing when other socially marginalized groups come up, feminism being a favorite target of "Well you see I support what they stand for and I think everyone should be equal but I don't think they should be out there making a SHOW of it!". [editline]12th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;38803770]True but I don't think that remark was meant as a literal/genuine genocide.[/QUOTE] "metaphorical genocide" sounds really dumb so maybe we should just learn what words mean and use them in the right place instead of throwing anywhere you like.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;38803586]Then, who is the message really for? Atheists don't need to be told Jesus is a myth, and Christians will just find it too insulting to take seriously. Just saying, there are probably more effective ways of promoting the Atheist movement than insulting the group you want to reach.[/QUOTE] People who are "sorta" Christian. There are a lot of people who say "I believe in something" [editline]12th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Splash Attack;38803590]Because it just stirs controversy and only strengthens the arguments made against atheists. [/QUOTE] Strawmen arguments. They don't target Atheism at all.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38803683]How is calling a myth a myth a blind attack? We know now that the tides, squalls, and storms of the open sea are controlled by geological, meteorological, and astrological elements. If I suggest that Poseidon is actually behind it, and someone tells me that's wrong, is that a "blind attack" on my religion or is it using critical thinking to call a myt.h what it is, a myth. You can't genocide religion, genocide has a very clear, concise, simple definition so please learn what it means before using it out of context. Also were we going to get a source on that quote?[/QUOTE] By just calling it a myth and not presenting any form of argument other than that statement, all you're doing is basically saying "I don't believe what you do and you should stop." It doesn't present any reasoning or logical argument to back it up. All they're doing is saying people should stop celebrating the religious part of a holiday, regardless of whether they believe it or not. Honestly, how does one expect their own philosophy to be respected if they won't respect others' themselves? By the way, that quote was from a post earlier in this thread and there have been posts here and elsewhere on the Internet I've seen where people have advocated for the actual genocide religious people. My point was that such extremism exists.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38803072]ahahahaha you're not serious are you? when was the last time an atheist tried to knock on your door to deliver the good word of dawkins? out of all the towns in the usa, how many have atheist signs or displays? how many have religious signs or displays? how many times has our congress decided that this nation was [i]not[/i] founded under any god or that god was not a source of inspiration for the country? how many times have you looked down at your money and seen anything except "in god we trust"?[/QUOTE] Yeah earlier this semester, some old dudes were passing out bibles on campus and almost nobody thinks twice about that. If they were passing out The God Delusion or God is Not Great it'd be all over the news.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;38803683]You can't genocide religion, genocide has a very clear, concise, simple definition so please learn what it means before using it out of context. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;38802900] [b]only when faith is completely eradicated[/b] can live-saving medical science (eg stem cell research) advance.[/QUOTE] "Eradication may also refer to: Genocide, the deliberate, systematic destruction of an ethnic, [b]religious[/b] or national group of people" "Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, [b]religious[/b], or national group"" Just thought I would throw that out there.

[QUOTE=David29;38803865]"Eradication may also refer to: Genocide, the deliberate, systematic destruction of an ethnic, [b]religious[/b] or national group of people" "Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, [b]religious[/b], or national group""[/QUOTE] omg theres a difference between "eradication of religion" and "eradication of a religious group". one is an idea and the other is people. [editline]12th December 2012[/editline] by the way if i said i wanted to eradicate racism or homophobia would you say i was genocidal as well?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38803883]omg theres a difference between "eradication of religion" and "eradication of a religious group". one is an idea and the other is people.[/QUOTE] You can't eradicate religion as long as at least one person believes in a religion of some form. Ergo, you must eradicate all theists to eradicate religion.

How many people still believe in Zeus? You don't need to kill the Greeks to get rid of that.

[QUOTE=David29;38803905]You can't eradicate religion as long as at least one person believes in a religion of some form. Ergo, you must eradicate all theists to eradicate religion.[/QUOTE] Well, I guess they were right. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;38802488]there was a dude named jesus that built some houses or what not[/QUOTE] you sure about that [editline]12th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=bunnyspy1;38802660]hey I don't know what you're trying to get at I'm just saying that the billboard really isn't going to do anything[/QUOTE] how many billboards do you know of that have done something [editline]12th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Fort83;38803149]kinda disrespectful.[/QUOTE] and?

What's the big hassle about this? They're not attacking christmas. "The true beauty of the season -- family, friends, and love -- have nothing to do with the gods of yesterday" They want to say you can enjoy Christmas without being christian, and it's true that christianity has nothing to do with all this spending, christmas trees and santa).

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;38803861]By just calling it a myth and not presenting any form of argument other than that statement, all you're doing is basically saying "I don't believe what you do and you should stop." It doesn't present any reasoning or logical argument to back it up. All they're doing is saying people should stop celebrating the religious part of a holiday, regardless of whether they believe it or not. Honestly, how does one expect their own philosophy to be respected if they won't respect others' themselves?[/QUOTE] dude it's a billboard lol not an essay. It's meant to grab attention and be provocative so people think on it and check out other sources of information. also why do we have to respect other peoples philosophies? I don't respect that fact that according to fundamentalist Christian teachings I am born a sinner in the eyes of a sadistic god who would sooner torture, kill, and forsake his creations in the name of jealousy. Is the argument that the immaculate conception of Jesus Christ, our Savior, is actually a myth somehow lessened by the fact that I don't respect the very thing I am criticizing? [QUOTE] By the way, that quote was from a post earlier in this thread and there have been posts here and elsewhere on the Internet I've seen where people have advocated for the actual genocide religious people. My point was that such extremism exists.[/QUOTE] "posts on the internet" Ok extreme atheists make dumb internet posts but extreme religious fanatics firebomb abortion clinics and fly planes into buildings [QUOTE=David29;38803865]"Eradication may also refer to: Genocide, the deliberate, systematic destruction of an ethnic, [B]religious[/B] or national group of people" "Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, [B]religious[/B], or national group"" Just thought I would throw that out there.[/QUOTE] You got the definition but you still messed it up. How do you even the key words you are missing isn't religious, it's [B]group of people[/B]

Atheists that push atheism on others like this, are just as bad as the religious nuts.