Trump: 'Nobody really knows' if climate change is real - Polidicks

Y'know what, in lieu of the usual line about [I]all the scientists[/I] knowing climate change is a thing, I think I'll try a different road, since broad scientific consensus never seems to be sufficient no matter how many articles and journals you dredge up [url=http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/current-issues/climate-policy/climate-perspectives/our-climate-science-history]Exxon[/url] [url=http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/sustainability/the-energy-challenge-and-climate-change.html]BP[/url] [url=http://www.shell.com/sustainability/environment/climate-change.html]Shell[/url] [url=https://www.chevron.com/corporate-responsibility/climate-change]Chevron[/url] Four of the big seven, all acknowledging climate change right on their official fuckin' sites

Good god, even if you want to totally ignore the human aspects of climate change, you've got page upon page of evidence supporting climate change, the climate is changing rapidly, and even if humans aren't the cause (which at this point I'm almost certain it is a main factor) we need to try everything we can to prevent total decay of the ecosystem.

[QUOTE=Sitkero;51516141]Y'know what, in lieu of the usual line about [I]all the scientists[/I] knowing climate change is a thing, I think I'll try a different road, since broad scientific consensus never seems to be sufficient no matter how many articles and journals you dredge up [url=http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/current-issues/climate-policy/climate-perspectives/our-climate-science-history]Exxon[/url] [url=http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/sustainability/the-energy-challenge-and-climate-change.html]BP[/url] [url=http://www.shell.com/sustainability/environment/climate-change.html]Shell[/url] [url=https://www.chevron.com/corporate-responsibility/climate-change]Chevron[/url] Four of the big seven, all acknowledging climate change right on their official fuckin' sites[/QUOTE] How about the [url=http://www.navy.mil/navydata/documents/CCR.pdf]US Navy[/url], as well. [quote][B]Executive Summary[/B] Climate change is a national security challenge with strategic implications for the Navy. Climate change will lead to increased tensions in nations with weak economies and political institutions. While climate change alone is not likely to lead to future conflict, it may be a contributing factor. Climate change is affecting, and will continue to affect, U.S. military installations and access to natural resources worldwide. It will affect the type, scope, and location of future Navy missions. ... [B]1. Introduction[/B] A preponderance of global observational evidence shows the Arctic Ocean is losing sea ice, global temperatures are warming, sea level is rising, large landfast ice sheets (Greenland and Antarctic) are losing ice mass, and precipitation patterns are changing.1,2 While there has been criticism on the details of the methods and results found in reports published by the IPCC and other entities, the Navy acknowledges that climate change is a national security challenge with strategic implications for the Navy.3 ... Climate change is affecting, and will continue to affect, U.S. military installations worldwide. Melting permafrost is degrading roads, foundations, and structures on DoD and USCG installations in Alaska. Droughts in the southeast and southwest U.S. are challenging water resource management. Sea level rise and storm surge will lead to an increased likelihood of inundation of coastal infrastructure, and may limit the availability of overseas bases. [/quote] I suppose they're just jumping the gun, right?

[QUOTE=OvB;51516167]How about the [url=http://www.navy.mil/navydata/documents/CCR.pdf]US Navy[/url], as well. I suppose they're just jumping the gun, right?[/QUOTE] It just goes to show that Trump is a massive retard and should not be in power.

[QUOTE=EskillV2;51516195]It just goes to show that Trump is a massive retard and should not be in power.[/QUOTE] There is not an official government body [to my knowledge] on earth that denies or lessens the severity climate change. Trump might as well be saying we can't be sure the earth is a sphere.

For anyone with even a mild doubt about human-created climate change, take a look at this chart: [url]https://xkcd.com/1732/[/url]

Nobody really knows if he said that

[QUOTE=OvB;51516202]There is not an official government body [to my knowledge] on earth that denies or lessens the severity climate change. Trump might as well be saying we can't be sure the earth is a sphere.[/QUOTE] I mean you can't [I]really[/I] be sure! You can't see the curvature of the Earth which is something you should totally be able to see even from the ground. Oh, wait.

[QUOTE=Anteep;51516276]Nobody really knows if he said that[/QUOTE] I looked for it, here you go [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lysx7s9ocJU[/media] [quote]WALLACE: Let’s talk about the environment because in the last week, you met with Al Gore and you met with Leo DiCaprio, famous environmentalist. TRUMP: Sure. And they were good meetings. WALLACE: On the other hand, you appointed Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt to be head of the EPA. TRUMP: Sped up (ph) the process. WALLACE: He’s been suing EPA. TRUMP: Sure. WALLACE: At one point in the campaign, you said it’s a hoax. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: Yes, I think it’s a big scam for a lot of people to make a lot of money. In the meantime, China is eating our lunch because they don’t partake in all of the rules and regulations that we do. (END VIDEO CLIP) WALLACE: On the other hand, you told the New York Times, you’re open-minded about it. TRUMP: I am open-minded. WALLACE: So, where are you on the environment? TRUMP: I’m still open-minded. Nobody really knows. I’ve — look, I’m somebody that gets it. And nobody really knows. It’s not something that’s so hard and fast. I do know this: other countries are eating our lunch. If you look at what China is doing, if you look at what — I could name country after country. You look at what’s happening in Mexico where our people — just our plants are being built. They don’t wait 10 years to get an approval to build a plant, O.K.? They build it, like, the following day or the following week. We can’t let all of these permits that take forever to get stop our jobs. I won because of the fact that people that are great, great American people have been forgotten. I call them the forgotten man and the forgotten woman. They’ve been forgotten. And you, in all fairness, and all of the folks in your world, and business, you forgot about these people. They’re not going to forget about them in four years. They’re already trying to figure out what happened. But I understood it because I understand our country.[/quote] Transcript: [url]http://time.com/4597416/transcript-donald-trump-fox-interview/[/url]

Only a few days left until the electoral college meets and seals our doom, abdicating all responsibility and leaving us to plummet.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;51516304]I mean you can't [I]really[/I] be sure! You can't see the curvature of the Earth which is something you should totally be able to see even from the ground. Oh, wait.[/QUOTE] If he comes out as a flat earther I will eat a mold of earth made out of clay. 12 inches in diameter.

[QUOTE=MasterKade;51516368]I looked for it, here you go [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lysx7s9ocJU[/media] Transcript: [url]http://time.com/4597416/transcript-donald-trump-fox-interview/[/url][/QUOTE] trump has been incredibly wishy washy about literally every policy he's said he would enact and it's such bullshit.

[QUOTE=MasterKade;51516368]I looked for it, here you go [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lysx7s9ocJU[/media] Transcript: [url]http://time.com/4597416/transcript-donald-trump-fox-interview/[/url][/QUOTE] Nobody really knows if that's him

It'll be interesting to see who ends up as president, I mean nobody really knows who won the election.

Litterally [T]http://i.imgur.com/Sl2KL30.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Del91;51516420]Litterally [T]http://i.imgur.com/Sl2KL30.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] But then those poor, persecuted Big Oil companies don't make as much money. :^(

[QUOTE=Gamerman12;51516399]trump has been incredibly wishy washy about literally every policy he's said he would enact and it's such bullshit.[/QUOTE] Its Schrödinger's policy, be so intentionally vague and confusing and flip flop so often that you get cross-aisle appeal by appealing to everyone.

Well .. gravity is still a theory. So by that logic; jump out from a skyscraper cause 'its not proven'. Oh why not? You say there are strong evidence that you'll fall to your death? Like the thousands of evidence that backup global warming, and the fact people on Iceland are now growing potatoes? [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Anthropogenic_global_warming_rejection_2013%E2%80%9314.svg/2000px-Anthropogenic_global_warming_rejection_2013%E2%80%9314.svg.png[/t]

[QUOTE=MasterKade;51516368]I looked for it, here you go [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lysx7s9ocJU[/media] Transcript: [url]http://time.com/4597416/transcript-donald-trump-fox-interview/[/url][/QUOTE] Trump's obsession with the rhetoric that the US - one of the richest countries in the world - is getting shafted at every turn is honestly quite disturbing to me. The fact that he also uses it to justify doubting or rather denying climate change is just scary. This man shouldn't be president, and especially not of the most powerful country on earth.

[QUOTE=Nak;51516637]Well .. gravity is still a theory. So by that logic; jump out from a skyscraper cause 'its not proven'.[/QUOTE] A theory is not an hypothesis, on the opposite, something being a theory means we've [I]mostly[/I] figured it out.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51516753]Trump's obsession with the rhetoric that the US - one of the richest countries in the world - is getting shafted at every turn is honestly quite disturbing to me. The fact that he also uses it to justify doubting or rather denying climate change is just scary. This man shouldn't be president, and especially not of the most powerful country on earth.[/QUOTE] I'm honestly not sure if he is obsessed with the rhetoric or if he's just running with it since it's what a large chunk of the US population believes.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51516785]I'm honestly not sure if he is obsessed with the rhetoric or if he's just running with it since it's what a large chunk of the US population believes.[/QUOTE] Both are scary, and to me the scariest thing is that he's using that rhetoric - whether he believes it or not is less essential (though I think he does). It breeds a feeling of distrust and a sense of the US being under attack, and that can be used to justify a lot of things. I hope Trump starts using calmer language, but I'm not really hopeful.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51516792]Both are scary, and to me the scariest thing is that he's using that rhetoric - whether he believes it or not is less essential (though I think he does). It breeds a feeling of distrust and a sense of the US being under attack, and that can be used to justify a lot of things. I hope Trump starts using calmer language, but I'm not really hopeful.[/QUOTE] It's not really something unique to Trump and I doubt him changing his rhetoric would really have that much of an impact. Media outlets like Fox have been running with this sort of narrative for a decade now, if not longer.

[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51516760]A theory is not an hypothesis, on the opposite, something being a theory means we've [I]mostly[/I] figured it out.[/QUOTE] In reality those words mean none of those things and are used in a billion different ways... the best route is to just abandon the system and adopt a new one with very rigid standards.

EVEN IF nobody really knew that climate change is real, don't you think its serious enough to treat it as real? Rather than gamble on it. Humanity itself is on the line.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51516797]It's not really something unique to Trump and I doubt him changing his rhetoric would really have that much of an impact. Media outlets like Fox have been running with this sort of narrative for a decade now, if not longer.[/QUOTE] The president saying these things will have an impact, it legitimises those opinions in a way in a way Sean Hannity can't. Trump saying "climate change is real, and we have to do something about it" would be impactful. Trump saying "We have to work together with other countries to fix these things" would be impactful. Fox News can set up a narrative, but I think it's misguided to say the president has no impact on that narrative. Fox News also relies on having politicians coming in and saying these things.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51516832]The president saying these things will have an impact, it legitimises those opinions in a way in a way Sean Hannity can't. Trump saying "climate change is real, and we have to do something about it" would be impactful. Trump saying "We have to work together with other countries to fix these things" would be impactful. Fox News can set up a narrative, but I think it's misguided to say the president has no impact on that narrative. Fox News also relies on having politicians coming in and saying these things.[/QUOTE] I didn't say it would have no impact, I just said I didn't think it wouldn't have much of an impact. You said him saying it "breads mistrust and a sense that the US is under attack" when people have already been feeling that way for a while because the media is already convincing them that it is.

[QUOTE]"I'm still open-minded. Nobody really knows. [B]Look, I'm somebody that gets it, and nobody really knows. It's not something that's so [I]hard and fast[/I].[/B]"[/QUOTE] Could someone explain to me what this sentence even tries to say? Because I have no clue what it means. To me it sound like he only had to say something instead of being silent, because in my ears it means nothing.

[QUOTE=Str4fe;51516820]EVEN IF nobody really knew that climate change is real, don't you think its serious enough to treat it as real? Rather than gamble on it. Humanity itself is on the line.[/QUOTE]but money :(

sucks that a president can be so oblivious to the obvious and get away with it, and since a lot of people look up to him(including his supporters) it'll do wonders for the climate change denier populus. this shit should be grounds for impeachment because you're talking messing with the future with every species on this planet if you refuse to do anything about it.