Chicago speed cameras clock 205,000 citations in 39 days; if tickets were issued, the city would hav - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Del91;42496583]While I agree, there are people who will take that as an excuse to drive 80mph where they can endanger other people or themselves. I guess you could argue they'd end up killing themselves off though.[/QUOTE] i think those sorts of people probably already speed.

And when you remove the speed limit, how much faster are they gonna go? Last year some guy hit a girl crossing a crosswalk, with flashing warning lights, doing 80 in a 35, about 4 blocks from my apartment.

[QUOTE=Del91;42496698]And when you remove the speed limit, how much faster are they gonna go? Last year some guy hit a girl crossing a crosswalk, with flashing warning lights, doing 80 in a 35, about 4 blocks from my apartment.[/QUOTE] Obviously the speed limit didn't affect him now did it? He would have done 80 in a 35 anyways.

[QUOTE=J!NX;42495779]when I drive, like, 90% of the people I see do about 5 over the limit[/QUOTE] You should come to Colorado. I'm a California transplant where 90 was the minimum speed for the left lane; I have yet to see a single person drive faster than the speed limit on my morning commute now. Not a one. It's been a good 2 months. More often than not, people go 5-10 [i]under[/i]. I'm going to fucking lynch the next goddamn asshole that shits around in the left lane going 30 while the turn signal cycles to red because he couldn't put his fucking foot down before the loop timed out.

[QUOTE=laserguided;42496708]Obviously the speed limit didn't affect him now did it? He would have done 80 in a 35 anyways.[/QUOTE] Well gee, those laws against murdering people don't stop people getting murdered either, I guess we just shouldn't even bother.

[QUOTE=J!NX;42495779]when I drive, like, 90% of the people I see do about 5 over the limit[/QUOTE] They should just lower the speed limit signs by 5MPH which will then make everyone go 5 over the new limit causing the original speed limit to be used

[QUOTE=Del91;42496698]And when you remove the speed limit, how much faster are they gonna go? Last year some guy hit a girl crossing a crosswalk, with flashing warning lights, doing 80 in a 35, about 4 blocks from my apartment.[/QUOTE] at least around here, the speed limits are basically ignored and everyone travels at whatever speed they deem safe and the cops won't pull you over for it. There's one particular road nearby that has a speed limit set at 35 mph but the typical flow is closer to 50. I think everyone basically goes whatever speed they're gonna go and speed limits just serve to make people nervous. the small number of wrecks on roads like the autobahns I think proves this

[QUOTE=butre;42496793]at least around here, the speed limits are basically ignored and everyone travels at whatever speed they deem safe and the cops won't pull you over for it. There's one particular road nearby that has a speed limit set at 35 mph but the typical flow is closer to 50. I think everyone basically goes whatever speed they're gonna go and speed limits just serve to make people nervous. the small number of wrecks on roads like the autobahns I think proves this[/QUOTE] The key difference though is the autobahn is designed for those speeds, even when limited to 130kph, they are at the same grade as the few unrestricted areas, and are many times smoother than american freeways (probably because they replace sections instead of patching patches like in the us). I've been to europe last month and the legal limit at 130kph= roughly 80mph. Some people go 140 or sometimes even 150 and you barely feel any forces in the car around turns. In the us going 80 is already speeding 15mph over (even though thats the flow of traffic) and you definitely feel the turns (and potholes). [editline]12th October 2013[/editline] [url]http://www.thinktransatlantic4.com/2012/04/is-autobahn-safer-than-us-interstates.html[/url] Also a key point i should emphasize from that link is that in the us its not illegal to pass on the right, which makes the us freeways more chaotic as the left lane is usually packed and to pass everyone there people move to the now empty right lanes

Man, your fines must be cheap in the US. In Victoria, Australia, during the 3 months of April to June this year, 279,750 people were caught speeding or running red lights, and $64,150,000 was raised. And we have substantially less vehicles and people in Victoria than Chicago.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;42496406]Hi I drive 80 on i-87, can we be 80 buddies. Minimum I'll go is 69 though[/QUOTE] I-87 buddies!!

[QUOTE=MR-X;42495663]That would be 13.9million if people actually paid the fines. Other wise it would be a money sink because people would be in jail sitting out tickets.[/QUOTE] Whut? You don't send people to jail for unpaid tickets, you do seizures. Unless the US is a very very strange place.

[QUOTE=J!NX;42495779]when I drive, like, 90% of the people I see do about 5 over the limit[/QUOTE] There's a video where these 4 people in 4 cars drove side by side, doing exactly the speed limit, and there's nothing but backed up traffic behind them for miles, and no one in front of them 5 over the speed limit is fine, and almost necessary.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;42499157]Whut? You don't send people to jail for unpaid tickets, you do seizures. Unless the US is a very very strange place.[/QUOTE] Uh yes. If you don't pay your fine or go to court the judge will file an arrest warrant. You will sit out that fine and different states have different rates. Or you can volunteer to sit out a ticket instead of paying it. I've seen a few people do that option. I've seen twice as many try to "stick it to the man" and end up getting additional fines and jail time due to it. For example, some places give you a credit of 100 dollars per day. So If i have 2000 dollars in traffic tickets (It is very easy to get to this amount) i'll have to sit in jail for 20 days. Some places have a even lower dollar amount so you can easily be jail longer. Some judges are very understanding and depending on the circumstances they'll let you sit out tickets on the weekends (IF you work mon-fri). I've only seen one or two cases like that. People think just because it is a traffic violation they can get away with ignoring it, when in fact you will be jailed. You may not be jailed right then, but eventually you will be. All a cop has to do is pull you over again and run your info and you'll pop up with warrants. Now depending on the warrant and the class the cop has discretion to let you go. Some will tell you about it and tell you to take care of it other wise next time they will turn you in. Others don't and take you in right then.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;42495823]Excluding schoolzones and inner-cities, speeding laws in general are bullshit money-making scams. [editline]11th October 2013[/editline] I recall reading a traffic report that revealed speeding alone to be the cause of a very small amount of accidents.[/QUOTE] While it may not the main cause, speeding contributes very heavily to traffic accidents

[QUOTE=J!NX;42495779]when I drive, like, 90% of the people I see do about 5 over the limit[/QUOTE] I like to push the limit to see how fast I can drive without being pulled over, usually 7 over on residential and about 10 over on the highway.

You have the right to meet with the issuing officer of your ticket and discuss the fine before agreeing to plead guilty to it. Speedcams that issue tickets, aside from being glitchy at times, are not a person. You cannot meet with the issuing officer of your ticket, since the ticket was issued by a machine that is incapable of reasoning, debate, or sentience, and as such they've been declared unconstitutional and removed in a number of jurisdictions. I suspect Chicago will be the next place to follow after several lengthy and expensive lawsuits.

Lower speed limits don't decrease accidents. Even the government's own studies show this ([url]http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html[/url]). Here are some key points: - "Lowering speed limits by 5, 10, 15, or 20 mi/h (8, 16, 24, or 26 km/h) at the study sites had a minor effect on vehicle speeds. Posting lower speed limits does not decrease motorist's speeds." - "Raising speed limits by 5, 10, or 15 mi/h (8, 16, or 25 km/h) at the rural and urban sites had a minor effect on vehicle speeds. In other words, an increase in the posted speed limit did not create a corresponding increase in vehicle speeds." - "Accidents at the 58 experimental sites where speed limits were lowered increased by 5.4 percent." - "Accidents at the 41 experimental sites where speed limits were raised decreased by 6.7 percent." [editline]12th October 2013[/editline] People driving at speeds different than the average speed cause accidents, not people driving faster than the speed limit. ([url]http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/98154/speed.cfm#ssrel[/url]) "In a landmark study of speed and crashes involving 10,000 drivers on 600 miles (970 kilometers) of rural highways, Solomon (1964) found a relationship between vehicle speed and crash incidence that is illustrated by a U–shaped curve. Crash rates were lowest for travel speeds near the mean speed of traffic, and increased with greater deviations above and below the mean." [IMG]http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/98154/images/fig1.gif[/IMG]

A guy got charged once for going 117km/h in a 100km/h zone in Canada on one of Ontario's largest and busiest highways, the 401. To protest how low the limit is (and it used to be 115km/h previously, they lowered it), he and some friends went side-by-side down the highway at 100km/h, the exact speed limit. They apparently backed up traffic for 4km and were charged with impeding the flow of traffic. [url]http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/678348/posts[/url]

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;42501849]A guy got charged once for going 117km/h in a 100km/h zone in Canada on one of Ontario's largest and busiest highways, the 401. To protest how low the limit is (and it used to be 115km/h previously, they lowered it), he and some friends went side-by-side down the highway at 100km/h, the exact speed limit. They apparently backed up traffic for 4km and were charged with impeding the flow of traffic. [url]http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/678348/posts[/url][/QUOTE] Speeding - Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.

[QUOTE=Leestons;42501875]Speeding - Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.[/QUOTE] Everyone goes 110-130 on the 400-series highways, 150-170 (which is classified as "stunt driving" in Ontario and if caught you'll lose your license immediately and they'll impound your car) on the 407 because it's a toll road and usually pretty empty. There's been petitions for the last few years to raise the 400-series speed limits to 120-130, because that's how fast people go anyway.

Here in the Netherlands the police handles this completely different. Here we have multiple speed limits on some major highways which are variable depending on the time of day and are loaded with cameras. Nobody understands how fast they can actually drive, and even the government itself have shown they don't even know themselves. It gets even worse when cases like camera equipment having the wrong time settings photographs you while you are keeping to the 'apparent' speed limit of that particular place of the highway at a particular time of day. The government thinks this is a great idea to make driving safer for all of us, but everyone knows this is just another trap to rake in cash.

On the Isle of Man there are no speed limit on most main roads. In towns and cities, minor roads, dangerous roads and backroads, there is a 30 or 40 mph speed limit however. Bear in mind that 'main roads' are not highways by any means, I'm talking two lane standard road. So it can get pretty dangerous when people start overtaking on blind corners, which they do. And for 2 weeks every year in the summer, when a major bike race takes place, they make the 'mountain road' which is the main, most fun road on the island, one-way, with no speed limit. Now that's pretty mental. [hd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DGf1nUyVRc[/hd]

[QUOTE=Starpluck;42495823]Excluding schoolzones and inner-cities, speeding laws in general are bullshit money-making scams. [editline]11th October 2013[/editline] I recall reading a traffic report that revealed speeding alone to be the cause of a very small amount of accidents.[/QUOTE] Then there's a gray area when trying to figure out how to prosecute people going 100 miles an hour in a residential neighborhood.

[QUOTE=sgman91;42501668]Lower speed limits don't decrease accidents. Even the government's own studies show this ([url]http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html[/url]). Here are some key points:[/QUOTE] There are plenty of studies to suggest the opposite, that being that lower speed limits do reduce the number of accidents, however it is not necessarily relevant. Much of what lowering speed limits while increasing enforcement of the speed limits is related to reducing casualty accidents. The simple fact that if a person is involved in an accident, the higher the speed the more likely that person is to be injured or killed is enough justification for many jurisdictions.