Religious teen shoots and murders another teen for being an atheist
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What a waste of life :frown:
Religion is shit
ITT, as usual, people paint all theists with the same brush.
Misleading title. No where does it indicate in the news thread that he shot him over religion. Regardless, religion doesn't make people murder others. The kid obviously has other issues.
[QUOTE=JDK721v5;25357927]Misleading title. No where does it indicate in the news thread that he shot him over religion. Regardless, religion doesn't make people murder others. The kid obviously has other issues.[/QUOTE]
Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, Holocaust, etc...
Although to be fair, religion is more of a gun. It still needs someone behind the trigger.
Typical behavour by theists: In a college, a religious idiot stood up just to beat up an Atheist for expressing his opinion. You know the world is fucked up when there are these altars to the virgin in every corner, in every school, in every scientific museum, they are everywhere.
That's Mexico for you.
[QUOTE=AnemoneS2;25358020]Typical behavour by theists: In a college, a religious idiot stood up just to beat up an Atheist for expressing his opinion. You know the world is fucked up when there are these altars to the virgin in every corner, in every school, in every scientific museum, they are everywhere.
That's Mexico for you.[/QUOTE]
You obviously only read the OP's title and replied based on that.
They mentioned religion twice in the article, and they said that it MIGHT be the reason why. But I guess the topic is bound to get attract more followers if religion is THE reason.
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;25358242]They mentioned religion twice in the article, and [B]they said that it MIGHT be the reason why.[/B][/QUOTE]
No they didn't.
That's really fuckedup.
Obviously it's not just a religious fight.. but who knows WHY that kid shoot, for real?
[quote]“We heard that they were fighting about religion, but then we also heard it was an accident,” Gottbehuet said.[/quote]
It sure as fuck is implied.
It's unfair to pin the blame in this situation on religion. As the article states, there isn't enough information yet to clearly say what happened. For all we know it was an accident.
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Also, I see nowhere in the article where it says the boy who was shot was an atheist. It just says he has "different views" than Nadler.
Religion is one, if not the biggest, reasons of war, murder and in general, death. You can try to pin it on the people for being 'extremist', but you can't deny that if it religion didn't exist, the world would be a better place.
And yes, I know you can compare this to saying 'Well if cars didn't exist, there'd be no car crashes', but the thing is, cars are evolutionary to out technology while religion is widely optional, and if I say so myself, obsolete when compared to science. If we didn't have religion in the first place, we wouldn't of developed it, that isn't the case with cars.
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[QUOTE=Jookia;25358310][...] religion is widely optional, and if I say so myself, obsolete when compared to science. [...][/QUOTE]
You cannot compare religion and science. They serve two different purposes.
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;25358295]It sure as fuck is implied.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so say they were fighting about politics. One of them shoots the other. Politics is to blame now for the murder?
You guys will just jump on anything that scapegoats religion. Religion DOES NOT make a person murder someone else.
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[QUOTE=Jookia;25358310]Religion is one, if not the biggest, reasons of war, murder and in general, death. You can try to pin it on the people for being 'extremist', but you can't deny that if it religion didn't exist, the world would be a better place.[/QUOTE]
Baseless claim. Nothing else needs to be said.
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[QUOTE=Jookia;25358310]Religion is one, if not the biggest, reasons of war, murder and in general, death. You can try to pin it on the people for being 'extremist', but you can't deny that if it religion didn't exist, the world would be a better place.[/QUOTE]
Baseless claim. Nothing else needs to be said.
Why would you argue religion with a kid weilding a gun? A loaded shotgun at that...
[QUOTE=Aquaphonic;25358313]You cannot compare religion and science. They serve two different purposes.[/QUOTE]
Oh I forgot, you don't need to blindly worship scientists.
Morals can be generated from science and it can explain how all the creates came about.
Religion is mainly a hypothesis to explain the origins of the universe.
[QUOTE=Jookia;25358393]Oh I forgot, you don't need to blindly worship scientists.[/QUOTE]
Are you another one of those angsty teens who just became an atheist to rebel against your parents? Let people worship deities if they want.
[QUOTE=Magick;25358381]Why would you argue religion with a kid weilding a gun? A loaded shotgun at that...[/QUOTE]
All three of the kids were playing with the gun. Religion is a common topic of discussion, especially among close friends.
I would like to point out, however, that religion has no absolute correlation here. Only rumors.
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[QUOTE=Jookia;25358393][...] Morals can be generated from science [...][/QUOTE]
I don't think so. Explain?
[QUOTE=JDK721v5;25358407]Are you another one of those angsty teens who just became an atheist to rebel against your parents? Fuck off and let people worship deities if they want.[/QUOTE]
I don't think this world has a place for religion, it's holding back our cultures from interacting. What if Islam didn't exist? Instead of being at war with another country, we could be friends.
You could call me athiest and a critic I guess.
[img]http://scottklarr.com/media/atheism/tradeCentersWithoutReligion.jpg[/img]
It's funny how they portray the atheist as this cool perfect kid and they portray the kid who shot him as some evil demonic shithead.
[QUOTE=Jookia;25358458]I don't think this world has a place for religion, it's holding back our cultures from interacting. What if Islam didn't exist? Instead of being at war with another country, we could be friends.
You could call me athiest and a critic I guess.
[img_thumb]http://scottklarr.com/media/atheism/tradeCentersWithoutReligion.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Holy fuck, you are an ignorant little shit. If we didn't have religions we wouldn't have the basis to begin scientific research, and people would find other reasons to fight. Humans will inherently fight.
[QUOTE=JDK721v5;25358338]Okay, so say they were fighting about politics. One of them shoots the other. Politics is to blame now for the murder?
You guys will just jump on anything that scapegoats religion. Religion DOES NOT make a person murder someone else.[/QUOTE]
Please don't act like I'm saying that Religion was the reason for it.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;25354136]Gunsafes need to be mandatory in households with children.[/QUOTE]
They're mandatory nearly everywhere else, why not in America?
[QUOTE=Aquaphonic;25358491]Holy fuck, you are an ignorant little shit. If we didn't have religions we wouldn't have the basis to begin scientific research, and people would find other reasons to fight. Humans will inherently fight.[/QUOTE]
I said it shouldn't exist. Tenses are important. Religion was a good hypothesis, but it's obsolete.
[QUOTE=Jookia;25358458]I don't think this world has a place for religion, it's holding back our cultures from interacting. [B]What if Islam didn't exist?[/B] Instead of being at war with another country, we could be friends.[/QUOTE]
Another Islamaphobe. What a surprise. So you're saying if religion just disappeared, people wouldn't be fighting each other? You know that 9/11 had nothing to do with religion, right? It was a political attack.
[QUOTE=Jookia;25358393]Oh I forgot, you don't need to blindly worship scientists.
[B]Morals can be generated from science[/B] and it can explain how all the creates came about.
Religion is mainly a hypothesis to explain the origins of the universe.[/QUOTE]
Science looks for cause and effect, you cannot generate morals from those.
[QUOTE=JDK721v5;25358528]Another Islamaphobe. What a surprise. So you're saying if religion just disappeared, people wouldn't be fighting each other? You know that 9/11 had nothing to do with religion, right? It was a political attack.[/QUOTE]
It's not like I chose an example that most people could recognize. How about I go ahead and say how many children wouldn't be scarred from being molested by priests of the Catholic church?
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[QUOTE=MachiniOs;25358539]Science looks for cause and effect, you cannot generate morals from those.[/QUOTE]
Why not? Animals have morals, if you'd call it that. They tend to act by a set of rules.
[QUOTE=Jookia;25358522]I said it shouldn't exist. Tenses are important. Religion was a good hypothesis, but it's obsolete.[/QUOTE]
Even then, religion in its most basic form does more good than harm. Institutionalized religions tend to do some sort of harm, but by and large, religious people are just as nice as atheists, etc. Any religious attacks tend to be done by extremists. I'm sure an extremist atheist is just as capable of being a terrorist as a Muslim or a Christian.
[QUOTE=Jookia;25358545]Why not? Animals have morals, if you'd call it that. They tend to act by a set of rules.[/QUOTE]
They don't, they have instinct. We have that too, although it takes a back seat in human society today.
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