Just because China has a crap record doesn't mean their criticisms are invalid.
For instance, America has a horrifically broken voting system that clings onto a few archaic practices from the 18th century.
[QUOTE=ZachPL;40393333]China should worry about their own country before they start talking shit.[/QUOTE]
Hey, the US is pretty fucking awful about human rights, and they're the biggest international bullies on the field. This report from China is a response to a report from the US that painted the USA as saints.
[QUOTE=Riller;40393266]Well, the whole have-to-register-to-vote thing [I]is[/I] kind of stupid.[/QUOTE]
We have it in the UK, but all you have to do is print of/phone for a registration form, or failing that just fill in the form they send to every address in the summer, and mail it back in. After that all you need to vote is a poll card, which is posted to you like a month or so before elections. It helps prevent vote fraud but I wouldn't say that the UK's method discriminates against a particular group.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40393957]Just because China has a crap record doesn't mean their criticisms are invalid.
For instance, America has a horrifically broken voting system that clings onto a few archaic practices from the 18th century.[/QUOTE]
Such as?
[QUOTE=Ridge;40394057]Such as?[/QUOTE]
Electoral college, and the first past the post voting system which splits pretty much everybody into two parties.
Also how the entire presidential campaign relies on a key number of "swing states".
How many people can breathe the air in China without dying? I'm pretty sure even the air pollution has spread to the farming areas.
While it's funny that China wants to slam any other countries human rights record, they are right about our foreign policy and money in politics.
I'll agree with the first past the post part. The electoral college helps balance out the votes in states. Otherwise the elections would be dominated by the large cities, and those in more rural areas wouldn't get any say in the matter.
Swing states has nothing to do with how our election process is set up. It's about predicting how people in some states vote, based on their historical voting record and current political makeup.
[QUOTE=Ridge;40394121]I'll agree with the first past the post part. The electoral college helps balance out the votes in states. Otherwise the elections would be dominated by the large cities, and those in more rural areas wouldn't get any say in the matter.[/quote]
Doesn't this give too much power to rural areas?
[quote]Swing states has nothing to do with how our election process is set up. It's about predicting how people in some states vote, based on their historical voting record and current political makeup.[/QUOTE]
Except it's flawed additionally due to the undue power given to rural areas.
just because it's hypocritical doesn't make it invalid
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;40394089]How many people can breathe the air in China without dying? I'm pretty sure even the air pollution has spread to the farming areas.[/QUOTE]
It's only in places like Beijing and Shanghai that the air's bad. The rest of the country's actually pretty clean.
[img]http://www.chinadiscovery.com/assets/images/guilin/li-river/li-river-view.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Disseminate;40394308]It's only in places like Beijing and Shanghai that the air's bad. The rest of the country's actually pretty clean.
[IMG]http://www.chinadiscovery.com/assets/images/guilin/li-river/li-river-view.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://puu.sh/2FRS6.jpg[/IMG]
Wouldn't [I]quite[/I] go that far.
(A rating above 80~ on the AQI scale is quite terrible, especially if consistent.)
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40392795]Or you just know that China are being hypocrites and making propaganda again.[/QUOTE]
not propaganda if its true
China is right in some aspects, I like to think back to the Japanese internment camps. That shit will show you how your "rights" can just be taken on a fucking whim.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;40394803]not propaganda if its true[/QUOTE]
Its truth or falsehood isn't what makes it propaganda. It's the purpose and use of the information which determines that.
[QUOTE=nickohlus;40394896]Its truth or falsehood isn't what makes it propaganda. It's the purpose and use of the information which determines that.[/QUOTE]
Considering this was a response to a US report that glossed over quite a few things, China's answering report is either propaganda or whistleblowing.
[QUOTE=areolop;40392914]Im sorry, what.
Its a persons choice to vote. Everyone who is over 18 can registers to vote, and can do so.[/QUOTE]
not sure if you've kept up with the latest election, but several states/counties, especially in the south, were passing laws in an attempt to stop the poor and minorities from voting
just because it's not outright "blacks can't vote" doesn't mean there's no discrimination going on
there are elderly people who have no sort of ID because they've never needed one and suddenly they're not aloud to vote because of potential "voter fraud" that isn't and hasn't been an issue at all
not to mention, although US citizens may have rights, the US government sure doesn't extend that to anything else
and let's not forget that corporations are considered "people" and have more influence and rights than the average american joe does
believe it or not, China is actually becoming and increasingly good place to live, and although it may take a long time, it'll most likely have a higher standard of living than the US before too long, really we'll just have to wait and see, but it's quite likely
[QUOTE=Cjk592;40394536][IMG]http://puu.sh/2FRS6.jpg[/IMG]
Wouldn't [I]quite[/I] go that far.
(A rating above 80~ on the AQI scale is quite terrible, especially if consistent.)[/QUOTE]
Whats the one rating that the max is 200 but china scored a 270 or something on pollution
As others have said it's kind of weird coming from the country that killed enough of its population in a short enough timespan to cause a noticeable drop in worldwide population growth rate statistics, but we have a LOT of issues to address here along with our fair share of past atrocities.
Racial, sex, and religion based discrimination are mindsets of people and not the government itself, Government never encouraged in anyway these kind of things and more than likely almost never, that's a issue happening [B]NOT JUST HERE[/B].
[quote]American citizens do not enjoy a genuinely equal right to vote[/quote]
AHAHAHAHAHAH
But yeah Guantanamo bay sure so.
[QUOTE=lolo;40395110]Racial, sex, and religion based discrimination are mindsets of people and not the government itself, Government never encouraged in anyway these kind of things and more than likely almost never, that's a issue happening [B]NOT JUST HERE[/B].
Equal voting, seriously? This is most likely propaganda.
But yeah Guantanamo bay sure so.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the government never had like slavery or seperate but equal rights
[QUOTE=froztshock;40395068]As others have said it's kind of weird coming from the country that [b]killed enough of its population in a short enough timespan to cause a noticeable drop in worldwide population growth rate statistics[/B], but we have a LOT of issues to address here along with our fair share of past atrocities.[/QUOTE]
Really, that sounds like an exaggeration?
I really feel like this isn't the first time China has done this, or at least the media drawing attention to it. Looking around it seems this came up before, they release reports every year about human rights abroad, usually close to when the US government releases their own. Here is the same thing from two years ago
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/11/china-us-human-rights-double-standards[/url]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;40395150]Really, that sounds like an exaggeration?[/QUOTE]
I had heard it before, and before I posted that I tried to look it up to make sure that it was so, because you're right it does sound like an exaggeration. However it seems to be the case, at least according to the US census bureau and a few other sites.
[url]http://www.census.gov/population/international/data/idb/worldgrgraph.php[/url]
[url]http://www.chsource.org/en/articles/contemporary-culture-and-society/item/230-china-by-the-numbers[/url]
I suppose it makes sense when you consider the percentage of the world's population that resides in Asia. Any significant fluctuation in that population is going to show up on worldwide statistics. The Great Leap Forward ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_leap_forward[/url]) coincides with the 1960s dip, and although estimates of the exact death toll are shaky it's estimated that somewhere between 18 and 32.5 million died.
[QUOTE=Deprehensio;40392783]You know things are bad when China is giving us shit.[/QUOTE]
Nah bro, they're just externalizing internal problems.
I agree with a lot of what China has to say as an American.
We're definitely not a country that is free from criticism and it's nice to have it shoved in our face every now and then.
Been to China twice, and while there is bullshit government practices, it is still a really nice country overall as of now. I know that if I would retire, I rather live in China. We treat elderly like old furniture over here.
very valid criticisms but China isn't any better. in fact, they're worse
[QUOTE=areolop;40394959]Whats the one rating that the max is 200 but china scored a 270 or something on pollution[/QUOTE]
that's particle size, I love how China turns something like right to bear arms or freedom of speech into a human rights violation because our people are free to hate each other, that's the quintisential excuse to remove rights , because you could make others feel sad, and nobody wants people to make other people sad so that should be illegal
[QUOTE=ZachPL;40393333]China should worry about their own country before they start talking shit.[/QUOTE]
Oh the irony
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