[QUOTE=faze;26445689]Nobody's talking out of their ass, I was simply stating my opinion.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Faze]Going into an academy is taking the easy way out[/quote]
Well your opinion is skewed, biased, unrealistic and incorrect.
Actually, I am not worried about North Korea, however their allies the Chinese might be something to consider... This will turn into a giant cluster fuck really... It won't be S. Korea and us vs. the north, everyone is going to get involved.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26445720]Well your opinion is skewed, biased, unrealistic and incorrect.[/QUOTE]
Ok, well I'm still entitled to said opinion.
[editline]2nd December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=skylabz0rz;26445725]Actually, I am not worried about North Korea, however their allies the Chinese might be something to consider... This will turn into a giant cluster fuck really... It won't be S. Korea and us vs. the north, everyone is going to get involved.[/QUOTE]
China already said they don't want anything to do with this shit. They said that yesterday or the day before.
[QUOTE=skylabz0rz;26445725]Actually, I am not worried about North Korea, however their allies the Chinese might be something to consider... This will turn into a giant cluster fuck really... It won't be S. Korea and us vs. the north, everyone is going to get involved.[/QUOTE]
China already said they would accept a Korea unified under the South. I don't think they will do much to either side if war breaks out again. The US owes them too much money for them to attack us, not to mention that an act such as that would bring several other countries into the fighting, with most, if not all, on the side of the US.
:ninja:
[QUOTE=dogmachines;26445755]China already said they would accept a Korea unified under the South. I don't think they will do much to either side if war breaks out again. The US owes them too much money for them to attack us, not to mention that an act such as that would bring several other countries into the fighting, with most, if not all, on the side of the US.
:ninja:[/QUOTE]
Exactly. China's already expressed their rage at North Korea "for acting like a spoiled child" (China's words), so they would take the South's side...if they even joined.
[QUOTE=Maucer;26443851]Not true.
Also you're an[i] idiot. [/i][/QUOTE]
They actually have a very outdated armory
[QUOTE=faze;26445648]Everyone has to do basic, it's just six weeks of working out and whatnot, not THAT big of a deal. I'm talking about dealing with all the b/s from officers and stuff while you're still a grunt. In an academy, it's MUCH easier and MUCH "friendlier."[/QUOTE]
Wow, basic in america is six WEEKS?
Fucking wow, here it's 6 months for a basic infantryman and a year for a paratrooper.
[QUOTE=bravehat;26445863]Wow, basic in america is six WEEKS?
Fucking wow, here it's 6 months for a basic infantryman and a year for a paratrooper.[/QUOTE]
Meant to say months...sorry, it's early.
Time for more coffee.
Yeah that's better, was gonna say that's the equivalent of teaching a redneck how to shoot a gun and hoping for the best.
[QUOTE=bravehat;26445902]Yeah that's better, was gonna say that's the equivalent of teaching a redneck how to shoot a gun and hoping for the best.[/QUOTE]
Lol.
Lets just all agree that NK's enemies have a much higher K/D ratio if a war breaks loose.
Hahahah
[QUOTE=dogmachines;26445618]They have the 4th largest, but if you cram an area with soldiers it doesn't do much good. The US has an incredibly powerful Air Force, not to mention about half of the them would probably end up deserting if something happened. Their military probably is restricted almost as much as their people.[/QUOTE]
I said this in the other thread, but deserting in their army probably won't be much of an issue, considering deserters are probably shot on sight, followed soon after by their family. They are most likely brainwashed to hell, as well.
When your military is 1mil+ strong, having outdated tech isn't exactly a problem anymore. Look at Japan in WW2, where our machine guns would overheat and melt from shooting for so long, and there would STILL be Japanese soldiers coming. Or in Russia where, despite most soldiers not even HAVING guns, they were often able to use sheer numbers to their advantage.
Like I said, having no/outdated guns isn't an issue if you don't have enough bullets to kill all of them. So yes, we would have probably have to employ our Air Force more than anything if we wanted to not walk in to a damn meat grinder.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;26446841]I said this in the other thread, but deserting in their army probably won't be much of an issue, considering deserters are probably shot on sight, followed soon after by their family. They are most likely brainwashed to hell, as well.
When your military is 1mil+ strong, having outdated tech isn't exactly a problem anymore. Look at Japan in WW2, where our machine guns would overheat and melt from shooting for so long, and there would STILL be Japanese soldiers coming. Or in Russia where, despite most soldiers not even HAVING guns, they were often able to use sheer numbers to their advantage.
Like I said, having no/outdated guns isn't an issue if you don't have enough bullets to kill all of them. So yes, we would have probably have to employ our Air Force more than anything if we wanted to not walk in to a damn meat grinder.[/QUOTE]
Back then we didn't have better guns/ better bombs/ better [You name it!].
Besides, it will take forever to let the troops know were to attack next with their 56k connections.
[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;26447379]Back then we didn't have better guns/ better bombs/ better [You name it!].
Besides, it will take forever to let the troops know were to attack next with their 56k connections.[/QUOTE]They've got radios, just like every military. Not for each soldier, of course, but most likely each platoon has one, sufficient for their needs.
And as i've said before, technology is not that big a factor in infantry combat. So long as their guns fire bullets, they can kill. Last time I checked, most of their forces were equipped with the AK-74, practically a Warsaw Pact equivalent to the M-16 or any other Western and allies gun firing 5.56
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;26447424]They've got radios, just like every military. Not for each soldier, of course, but most likely each platoon has one, sufficient for their needs.
And as i've said before, technology is not that big a factor in infantry combat. So long as their guns fire bullets, they can kill.[/QUOTE]
So lobbing tons of smoke and using holographic scopes won't do shit? Seems like a big technological advantage to me.
[QUOTE=faze;26447472]So lobbing tons of smoke and using holographic scopes won't do shit?[/QUOTE]Not that, but it's not going to be anywhere near as big a difference as T-55s vs Abrams derivative, Mig-21 VS F-15.
Having holographic scopes and smoke grenades isn't a massive advantage, but an advantage nonetheless.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;26447484]Not that, but it's not going to be anywhere near as big a difference as T-55s vs Abrams derivative, Mig-21 VS F-15.
Having holographic scopes and smoke grenades isn't a massive advantage, but an advantage nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
Not being able to see vs. being able to see is a big difference...
[QUOTE=faze;26447509]Not being able to see vs. being able to see is a big difference...[/QUOTE]Works both ways, unless you're suggesting every South Korean soldier has thermal sights. Smoke grenades have been around since WW2, so it's a safe bet the NK military's got a few lurking about somewhere.
The real deciding factor in troops is training. We know of North Korea's equipment situation, but not as clearly the training of their troops. They'll be fanatical, is pretty much all we can say.
I'm not suggesting North Korean troops are on par with South Korean troops, not at all; there's simply so goddamn many of them in comparison, and the difference in infantry quality is less of a deciding factor than in their vehicle assets. South Korea is likely to come out on top, but not before they lose many, many lives.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;26447552]Works both ways, unless you're suggesting every South Korean soldier has thermal sights. Smoke grenades have been around since WW2, so it's a safe bet the NK military's got a few lurking about somewhere.
The real deciding factor in troops is training. We know of North Korea's equipment situation, but not as clearly the training of their troops. They'll be fanatical, is pretty much all we can say.
I'm not suggesting North Korean troops are on par with South Korean troops, not at all; there's simply so goddamn many of them in comparison, and the difference in infantry quality is less of a deciding factor than in their vehicle assets. South Korea is likely to come out on top, but not before they lose many, many lives.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's going to be a real mess. The USA [B]will[/B] step in, I'd bet money on it.
[QUOTE=worm;26443916]you've got to be fucking joking. just when my service is about to start again too.[/QUOTE]
Joining the military means obligating to go to war whenever the call is made, the government won't just give you a free ride and you should never expect one.
[QUOTE=faze;26447611]Yeah, it's going to be a real mess. The USA [B]will[/B] step in, I'd bet money on it.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Obama's confirmed support for SK, plus the troops the US already has there. There's going to be a delay between war breaking out, and the US getting more troops in there, though.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;26447633]Absolutely. Obama's confirmed support for SK, plus the troops the US already has there. There's going to be a delay between war breaking out, and the US getting more troops in there, though.[/QUOTE]
I'm worried about a draft to be honest...
[QUOTE=faze;26447659]I'm worried about a draft to be honest...[/QUOTE]Probably not going to happen unless something goes really, really, really wrong.
[QUOTE=faze;26447659]I'm worried about a draft to be honest...[/QUOTE]
If you're 23 you would be in the fourth round of picks, it's probably unlikely to even a first round of drafting, nevermind four.
[quote=Selective Service]
The Lottery: A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men whose 20th birthday falls during the calendar year the induction takes place, followed, if needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 19 and 18 year olds (in that order).[/quote]
[QUOTE=Anteep2;26443952]well you shouldnt have joined it should you? what do you expect?[/QUOTE]
Start the video at 00:16 and stop it at 1:28.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNj1dXi-z0M[/media]
[QUOTE=bravehat;26444088]Inferior tech is still able to kill people, are you unable to grasp that?
They have numbers on there side, and remember the war on the eastern front? remember how the russians with their inferior gear managed to halt the german advance MILES from stalingrad, and then fucking hammered the germans all the way back across russia and straight into berlin?
Inferior tech, with numbers on its side still stands a chance.[/QUOTE]
And Finland in the winter war had inferior tech and inferior numbers... still kicked their asses (yeah we lost, but lets not talk bout that shall we?)
[QUOTE=Earthen;26447817]And Finland in the winter war had inferior tech and inferior numbers... still kicked their asses (yeah we lost, but lets not talk bout that shall we?)[/QUOTE]The Red Army was a complete mess at the time, plus most of the troops sent to Finland were not used to the horrendous winter conditions, among other factors. None of those factors are applicable in the Korean context.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;26444255]On their own soil? Absolutely. The Japanese could have done the same in World War II if an amphibious invasion had been necessary. They possess a kind of fanatical spirit and devotion that makes them incredibly dangerous, not to mention a tremendous amount of experience under brutal training conditions. If it were to come to their own soil, as well, they would only have more of a reason to fight on.
They managed to defeat the United States in the Korean War (pardon me, "police action").[/QUOTE]
The US during the Korean War absolutely destroyed North Korea, MacArthur and his little amphibious landing on the Western coast that halted any NK advances and pushed them up pretty far. Then China got all pissy.
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[QUOTE=faze;26444342]I know what islands we were in, in the Pacific. They were launch points for a potential Japanese mainland invasion. Those islands didn't have a lot of troops compared to what we had, we also bombed the islands for days at a time. Letters From Iwo Jima is a good depiction of what happened.
The mainland still had a shit ton of troops, enlisting women wouldn't have needed to happen.[/QUOTE]
The fuck are you talking about? The majority of the island invasions were against larger Japanese forces. The bombing of Iwo Jima did very little, if anything to the actual defences.
Theres more than 150 AAA positions only around the capital of north korea. There are only what have been spotted with google earth.
"if they were all to fire at once they’d throw up over 63,000t of high explosive shells in the first minute – think about that, that’s more than the weight of an Iowa class battleship, and it’s travelling at about Mach 2! "
[img]http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2903/dprkaaatypicalha9.jpg[/img]
They mostly use
Twin 57mm guns of the ZSU-57-2 SPPAG
ZPU-4 14.5mm quad machine gun
M-1939 37mm AAA
S-60 57mm AAA
North Korean S-60 57mm
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