• Obama's parting words: 'We're going to be OK'
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[QUOTE=Duck M.;51692124]First of all, excellent job citing infowars. Second of all, holy fuck dude, I know you said "there is no direct link" but thats not even the half of it, considering that your link that claims that "BLM advocates for violence" comes from the Philandro Castle case in July of 2016 when Obama defending BLM was in late 2015. You cant even get your lazy cause and effect chain in the right chronological order. Third of all, I dont see any calls for violence from Obama. What he said on the matter is entirely reasonable and 100% true. These are very presidential and professional remarks. What would you prefer him to do instead? Universally condemn all of BLM, especially when their concerns were entirely grounded and based in reality at the time of his """"""endorsement""""""? It was more of an acknowledgement of their concerns than him inciting violence at any rate. Obama would be the last president to "give the rubber stamp" to a riot or a hate group (of which BLM is neither).[/QUOTE] Does the source really matter when the focus is video footage? Ignore the chronology, ignore the specific articles; look at the bigger picture. Obama legitimized the group's cause in light of violence that had already occurred. Regardless of whether that is actually deserved or not, it inspires supporters--violent and otherwise--to continue to act out and justify it by attaching themselves to that cause. Things like universal health care and the gender wage gap get loads of political attention because nobody gets hurt talking about these issues. All I ever wanted out of the President is just "stop breaking things, stop hurting people." BLM was a riot from the start and Obama still attached himself to it when he should have just stayed away. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51692138]I am saving this post. If violence ever breaks out on Trumps side, we have speeches of him literally condoning it, will you even remotely feel the desire to point things like this out?[/QUOTE] I believe this has already happened, actually. I'm happy to talk about that specifically when it doesn't derail the thread.
So you want that out of Obama but when Trump says shit like "Punch him out"(Actual quote) or "Don't you remember the good old days where you could just punch a protester?" or more accurately [url]http://www.weeklystandard.com/protester-would-be-carried-out-on-a-stretcher-in-the-old-days-trump-reminisces/article/2001211[/url] his stated words of his own choice are used there in that article and yet, Obama is still the shitty person between the two? Hows that work
[QUOTE=Chonch;51692225]Does the source really matter when the focus is video footage? Ignore the chronology, ignore the specific articles; look at the bigger picture. Obama legitimized the group's cause in light of violence that had already occurred. Regardless of whether that is actually deserved or not, it inspires people to act for that cause. Things like universal health care and the gender wage gap get loads of political attention because nobody gets hurt talking about these issues. [/QUOTE] But the cause was legitimate, whether or not you take issue with the actions of BLM, their core focus and message at the time Obama endorsed them was pretty much without issue. Things like universal health care beget less violence because they're inherently less controversial and contentious. Racial tensions have always been a hotbed for riots and violence because of the nature of the issue. [QUOTE]All I ever wanted out of the President is just "stop breaking things, stop hurting people." [/QUOTE] [url="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-defends-black-lives-matter-movement-as-protests-heat-up/"]But he did say that.[/url]
I think as a decentralized grass roots movement you shouldn't judge the entirety of the movement by a few assholes. I mean if not all of the alt-right are neo-nazis I don't think all of BLM approve of cop killing.
It's weird, Obama being the first president I've actually grown up with. I had no idea who Dubya was until I was maybe 12, with absolutely no interest or awareness of politics and just regurgitated whatever my heavily conservative father heard from Fox News. Obama represented the new millennium, a show of moderate progress with a much more hip touch on the White House. Now to see all that just regress back with the exception of social media is just...I can't define it with words.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51691841]Alright, I apologize for assuming you were like most other anti-Trumpers or anti-whoever. However, most of those points are really based on speculation. There's no proof that anything terrible to the economy will happen other than the opinion of experts which there are just as many experts saying it will work [/QUOTE] Man points gun at someone... [QUOTE=Cructo;51691841] There's no proof that anything terrible ... will happen other than the opinion of experts... [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Cructo;51691841]...other than the opinion of experts which there are just as many experts saying it will work [/QUOTE] This is patently false. [editline]18th January 2017[/editline] But thanks for reaffirming the Trumpluddite motto of: feels before reals.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51691386]Overall good guy, not too keen on his presidency but I hope he does well with the rest of his life--and stays out of the political theatre. Thirty-odd years of a $203,700 pension better be enough of a bribe to keep his mouth shut.[/QUOTE] Yeah that ain't going to happen. He is leaving office was a great approval rating during an incredibly tumultuous time for American politics, particularly on the left. I imagine Obama will be more active than any recent president post-presidency.
It's surreal. We're treating the upcoming presidency like an oncoming natural disaster, trying to reassure one another as the storm closes in. There's a very real chance we won't survive.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;51692801]It's surreal. We're treating the upcoming presidency like an oncoming natural disaster, trying to reassure one another as the storm closes in. There's a very real chance we won't survive.[/QUOTE] Does every post you make gotta be some Armageddon-esque statement?
[QUOTE=Tudd;51692809]Does every post you make gotta be some Armageddon-esque statement?[/QUOTE] not that far fetched when the soon-to-be president's likely to start a war over some dumb shit
[QUOTE=portalcrazy;51692823]not that far fetched when the soon-to-be president's likely to start a war over some dumb shit[/QUOTE] I really don't think Trump is going to start a physical war. [editline]19th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Disgruntled;51692801]It's surreal. We're treating the upcoming presidency like an oncoming natural disaster, trying to reassure one another as the storm closes in. There's a very real chance we won't survive.[/QUOTE] Best case scenario is that Trump actually makes America Great Again Worst case scenario is that we got 4/8 years of conservative/neocon politics. Like the Bush years with less war (hopefully). It's not going to be that bad.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51692839]I really don't think Trump is going to start a physical war. [editline]19th January 2017[/editline] Best case scenario is that Trump actually makes America Great Again Worst case scenario is that we got 4/8 years of conservative/neocon politics. Like the Bush years with less war (hopefully). It's not going to be that bad.[/QUOTE] Short-term effects? Probably not [I]that[/I] bad, yeah, especially if it's only 4 years. Some economic problems, maybe even short-term growth, several thousand unwanted children born out of restrictions on abortions, several thousand dead from bad healthcare, etc. Not all that much change from the status quo - the average person would survive, even though many groups might have a [I]much[/I] harder time. Long-term? Possibly the beginning of the decline of the US's global soft power, depending on how quickly the incoming government after Trump can repair the damage. If it's 8 years of Trump, it might be hard to curb isolationism and maintain long-term US interests abroad. It could easily mark the decline of the US as a non-traditional economic/military/cultural/academic powerhouse.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51692839]I really don't think Trump is going to start a physical war. [editline]19th January 2017[/editline] Best case scenario is that Trump actually makes America Great Again Worst case scenario is that we got 4/8 years of conservative/neocon politics. Like the Bush years with less war (hopefully). It's not going to be that bad.[/QUOTE] You cant look at it that lightly. Trump will probably be able to appoint two supreme Court justices which are lifetime positions. His policies on the epa and education, if passed, will have very far reaching consequences. You also have a man with incredibly thin skin who rants about international politics on twitter holding the nuclear codes
WW3 will be fought exclusivity on twitter.
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51692237]So you want that out of Obama but when Trump says shit like "Punch him out"(Actual quote) or "Don't you remember the good old days where you could just punch a protester?" or more accurately [url]http://www.weeklystandard.com/protester-would-be-carried-out-on-a-stretcher-in-the-old-days-trump-reminisces/article/2001211[/url] his stated words of his own choice are used there in that article and yet, Obama is still the shitty person between the two? Hows that work[/QUOTE] Well the quote actually starts out like: [QUOTE=Trump]"Oh, I love the old days, you know? You know what I hate? There's a guy, totally disruptive, [b]throwing punches,[/b] we're not allowed to punch back anymore."[/QUOTE] I'm skeptical of his policies but it honestly sounds like he's advocating self-defense and using the time to complain about how even in an act of self defense, the media would ultimately use it as ammunition against him.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;51692801]It's surreal. We're treating the upcoming presidency like an oncoming natural disaster, trying to reassure one another as the storm closes in. There's a very real chance we won't survive.[/QUOTE] fucks sake dude i don't like trump either but calm the fuck down
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;51692801]It's surreal. We're treating the upcoming presidency like an oncoming natural disaster, trying to reassure one another as the storm closes in. There's a very real chance we won't survive.[/QUOTE] Chance?? Now you're being optimistic - realistically we're all dead by tomorrow!
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Pardon my ignorance, but I'm not that deeply rooted in the US politics. I always liked Obama since he really looks like a nice guy but I never actually got an idea what good he's done for the US compared to other presidents that the country had in the past. I do know that he's lightyears better than Trump, that's for sure. I suppose I can tell the difference once Doomsday starts tomorrow when Trump takes office.
[QUOTE=Merijnwitje;51693019]Pardon my ignorance, but I'm not that deeply rooted in the US politics. I always liked Obama since he really looks like a nice guy but I never actually got an idea what good he's done for the US compared to other presidents that the country had in the past. I do know that he's lightyears better than Trump, that's for sure. I suppose I can tell the difference once Doomsday starts tomorrow when Trump takes office.[/QUOTE] I like this site for that question [url]http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Cructo;51691663]Yup. America seems to be doing pretty well so far, it seems like the only "threat" is a man you were told not to like is going to be sworn into office shortly[/QUOTE] "NO EVERYTHING IS FINE SHUT UP" [QUOTE=Cructo;51683423]i'll bite, what do you expect Trump supporters to do? I agree with you that this is a bad decision, so should like every Trump supporter come in and argue about how hard we agree on it lol[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Cructo;51683564]I particularly never supported the GOP, only Trump, and the issues I disagree with his stances are less important tbh[/QUOTE] "NO I DONT SUPPORT THE GOP'S DUMB PLANS AT ALL WHATRE YOU LOOKIN AT ME FER"
everything will be alright in the end
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51692839]I really don't think Trump is going to start a physical war. [editline]19th January 2017[/editline] Best case scenario is that Trump actually makes America Great Again Worst case scenario is that we got 4/8 years of conservative/neocon politics. Like the Bush years with less war (hopefully). It's not going to be that bad.[/QUOTE] If you want to make those scenarios of equal plausibility, worst case scenario is portals to Hell open up and we all get raped to death by demons.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51692839]I really don't think Trump is going to start a physical war. [editline]19th January 2017[/editline] Best case scenario is that Trump actually makes America Great Again Worst case scenario is that we got 4/8 years of conservative/neocon politics. Like the Bush years with less war (hopefully). It's not going to be that bad.[/QUOTE] as warren put it to the new education secretary. "the financial outcomes of an entire generation of students is in your hands and you have no experience at all."
[QUOTE=Mingebox;51693896]If you want to make those scenarios of equal plausibility, worst case scenario is portals to Hell open up and we all get raped to death by demons.[/QUOTE] For some people that'd be a best case scenario....
[QUOTE=portalcrazy;51692823]not that far fetched when the soon-to-be president's likely to start a war over some dumb shit[/QUOTE] [citation needed] [editline]19th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Mingebox;51693896]If you want to make those scenarios of equal plausibility, worst case scenario is portals to Hell open up and we all get raped to death by demons.[/QUOTE] worst case scenario is the front of a vacuum metastability event passes through the earth at the speed of light the instant you finish reading this post, instantly destroying all of human history and preventing any life, indeed, chemistry at all, from occurring ever again. Of course, we could never see it coming. We'd have no way of knowing, and even if we had a thousand year's notice, it would still be terminal. It would still catch us no matter how far we run. Sleep tight.
[QUOTE=lekkimsm;51691164]This is the song that started playing in my head when i saw the title [video=youtube;i-1-eZt-ZY8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-1-eZt-ZY8[/video][/QUOTE] that fucking show sometimes
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51695341][citation needed][/quote] [quote]Mr Scarborough then said: "I have to follow up on that...and I'll be very careful here. "Several months ago a foreign policy expert, on an international level, went to advise Donald Trump, and three times he (Mr Trump) asked about the use of nuclear weapons. "Three times he asked. At one point 'If we have them, why can't we use them?' He asked three times in an hour briefing 'Why can't we use nuclear weapons?'." The former CIA Director said he was "very concerned" by how "erratic" Mr Trump seemed.[/quote] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/donald-trump-asked-why-us-cant-use-nuclear-weapons-if-he-becomes/[/url] [quote]Pursue aggressive joint and coalition military operations to crush and destroy ISIS, international cooperation to cutoff their funding, expand intelligence sharing, and cyberwarfare to disrupt and disable their propaganda and recruiting.[/quote] [url]https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/foreign-policy-and-defeating-isis[/url] You're welcome. [QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51695341] worst case scenario is the front of a vacuum metastability event passes through the earth at the speed of light the instant you finish reading this post, instantly destroying all of human history and preventing any life, indeed, chemistry at all, from occurring ever again. Of course, we could never see it coming. We'd have no way of knowing, and even if we had a thousand year's notice, it would still be terminal. It would still catch us no matter how far we run. Sleep tight.[/QUOTE] I also agree that's on the same level of plausibility as Trump making America great again.
[QUOTE=Kegan;51690966]I seriously don't think anything else can be said that could top this. He gave us a pretty good 8 years.[/QUOTE] OK was about as far you could say. He didn't get shit done with climate change, the ACA is a complete clusterfuck and he for whatever the fuck reason enabled the 'Deep State' to run complete fucking riot over the Constitution and Bill of Rights. He was the best pick out of the pack by miles and miles, but he wasn't some kind of saintly overlord who righted all the wrongs forevermore. Not even kinda.
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