Tea Party counter-protesters join fray in Wisconsin
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[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28179857]Even if you're morally opposed to abortions, you need to realize that most people get an abortion are poor. If we force poor people to have kids, we're gonna end up with tons of poor kids who will probably be on welfare for long periods of time. And poor young males commit the most violent crimes out of any group.
I'm not saying poor people are bad, but if they want to get an abortion...[/QUOTE]
So what's wrong with Planned parenthood becoming a charity that asks for donations?
Oh that's right, Charities aren't as effective as Government funded programs.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28179757]That didn't really have to anything with what I said, but ok. Also you have to pay for abortions the same you have to pay for most any other medical procedure, it's not a pro-bono thing.
e: Seriously you completely ignored my entire point, being that why should we fund hospitals when they help people/help people in a way that goes just as much against our morals as PP and abortions do.[/QUOTE]
Because Hospitals have more of a history of helping us get better when we need them. I didn't ignore your point, you ignored the point of my answer. The point of my answer what to point out the differences and why we should fund them. Of course If you don't live in the US, Hospitals are funded differently.
Hospitals may provide abortions, but a person who comes in for a fractured leg doesn't pay for another person to get an abortion.
If You think you shouldn't fund a hospital that provides abortions, I hope you like Religious Hospitals.
If you think you shouldn't fund hospitals that treat even criminals, I hope you like living with that life threatening injury.
[QUOTE=Glaber;28180106]If you think you shouldn't fund hospitals that treat even criminals, I hope you like living with that life threatening injury.[/QUOTE]
stop posting
why are criminals unworthy of medical care?
[QUOTE=Glaber;28180106]
So what's wrong with Planned parenthood becoming a charity that asks for donations?
Oh that's right, Charities aren't as effective as Government funded programs.
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Is there a reason why this was a response to my post? I don't see any connection here.
[QUOTE=Glaber;28180106]Note: if you are going to glance and respond to this post, please read the entire post.
So what's wrong with Planned parenthood becoming a charity that asks for donations?
Oh that's right, Charities aren't as effective as Government funded programs.
Because Hospitals have more of a history of helping us get better when we need them. I didn't ignore your point, you ignored the point of my answer. The point of my answer what to point out the differences and why we should fund them. Of course If you don't live in the US, Hospitals are funded differently.
Hospitals may provide abortions, but a person who comes in for a fractured leg doesn't pay for another person to get an abortion.
If You think you shouldn't fund a hospital that provides abortions, I hope you like Religious Hospitals.
If you think you shouldn't fund hospitals that treat even criminals, I hope you like living with that life threatening injury.[/QUOTE]
For fucks sake, you just keep missing it. I know we should fund them, but my point is why Planned Parenthood, which only provides abortions as a minute percentage of it's services, be defunded while hospitals, who do things that the same people would possibly find as morally objectionable be funded. Or lemme put it another way, why is someone's feelings on abortion more important than someone's feelings on an issue like that?
e: Just because there are people that think drug addicts should die doesn't mean we defund methadone clinics. Why are people's feelings about abortion any more important than any other topic, and why should they be imposed on someone else?
so wait what the hell do hospitals and abortions have to do with wisconsin and tea party protesters
[QUOTE=Prismatex;28180166]stop posting
why are criminals unworthy of medical care?[/QUOTE]
Who says they're not worthy?
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28180192]For fucks sake, you just keep missing it. I know we should fund them, but my point is why Planned Parenthood, which only provides abortions as a minute percentage of it's services, be defunded while hospitals, who do things that the same people would possibly find as morally objectionable be funded. Or lemme put it another way, why is someone's feelings on abortion more important than someone's feelings on an issue like that?
e: Just because there are people that think drug addicts should die doesn't mean we defund methadone clinics. Why are people's feelings about abortion any more important than any other topic, and why should they be imposed on someone else?[/QUOTE]
If you know why we should fund them, why are you asking? Planned Parenthood was Publicly funded, Hospitals are Privately funded. Abortions are a controversial issue. The US constitution doesn't provide that the government must fund abortion, or for that matter, any form of health care. So in that matter, Why Should we fund Planned Parenthood? Because of this, issues like public funding for abortions can be influenced by how people feel about it, but on the issue of Private funding for abortions, peoples feelings can't influence a thing unless they are from people in the family
I know you'll probably try to argue that People don't want to fund an army or wars. But The Constitution provides that we must have a defense, and therefore a Military.
You may want to read up: [url]http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Glaber;28176944]Says the one with the broken quotes[/QUOTE]
Do you have nothing else to say shitbird?
You don't seem to get it. Many people don't support the death pnealty, but their taxes still go towards it. If you really thought that oyu had that kind of control of your tax dollars, you're more deluded than I thought.
Also, there's the fact that you're still defending someone who's union busting, rushing legislation, you're defending groups which hate gay people, and would gladly deny them rights as if they weren't the [b]exact fucking same[/b] as you.
Clearly, the best way to handle the budget is to nickle and dime shit that doesn't even cost anything.
[editline]20th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Glaber;28180519]Who says they're not worthy?
If you know why we should fund them, why are you asking? Planned Parenthood was Publicly funded, Hospitals are Privately funded. Abortions are a controversial issue. The US constitution doesn't provide that the government must fund abortion, or for that matter, any form of health care. So in that matter, Why Should we fund Planned Parenthood? Because of this, issues like public funding for abortions can be influenced by how people feel about it, but on the issue of Private funding for abortions, peoples feelings can't influence a thing unless they are from people in the family
I know you'll probably try to argue that People don't want to fund an army or wars. But The Constitution provides that we must have a defense, and therefore a Military.
You may want to read up: [url]http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Says shit all about the death penalty, but killing grown people isn't as bad as "killing" lumps of cell tissue.
[QUOTE=Glaber;28180519]Who says they're not worthy?
If you know why we should fund them, why are you asking? Planned Parenthood was Publicly funded, Hospitals are Privately funded. Abortions are a controversial issue. The US constitution doesn't provide that the government must fund abortion, or for that matter, any form of health care. So in that matter, Why Should we fund Planned Parenthood? Because of this, issues like public funding for abortions can be influenced by how people feel about it, but on the issue of Private funding for abortions, peoples feelings can't influence a thing unless they are from people in the family
I know you'll probably try to argue that People don't want to fund an army or wars. But The Constitution provides that we must have a defense, and therefore a Military.
You may want to read up: [url]http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Jesus never mind, this is getting painful.
And really, a link to the constitution? Fuck off.
[QUOTE=Glaber;28180106]Note: if you are going to glance and respond to this post, please read the entire post.
So what's wrong with Planned parenthood becoming a charity that asks for donations?
Oh that's right, Charities aren't as effective as Government funded programs.
Because Hospitals have more of a history of helping us get better when we need them. I didn't ignore your point, you ignored the point of my answer. The point of my answer what to point out the differences and why we should fund them. Of course If you don't live in the US, Hospitals are funded differently.
Hospitals may provide abortions, but a person who comes in for a fractured leg doesn't pay for another person to get an abortion.
If You think you shouldn't fund a hospital that provides abortions, I hope you like Religious Hospitals.
If you think you shouldn't fund hospitals that treat even criminals, I hope you like living with that life threatening injury.[/QUOTE]
the sadest fucking thing is, you don't even know how inhumane or how much of a douchebag you are. You seem to think cutting education, having more poor kids, more welfare, less rights, and more government interference in social policies is what ANYONE fucking wants. Oh wait, it's what republicans want.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28180581]Do you have nothing else to say shitbird?
You don't seem to get it. Many people don't support the death pnealty, but their taxes still go towards it. If you really thought that oyu had that kind of control of your tax dollars, you're more deluded than I thought.
Also, there's the fact that you're still defending someone who's union busting, rushing legislation, you're defending groups which hate gay people, and would gladly deny them rights as if they weren't the [b]exact fucking same[/b] as you.
Clearly, the best way to handle the budget is to nickle and dime shit that doesn't even cost anything.
[editline]20th February 2011[/editline]
Says shit all about the death penalty, but killing grown people isn't as bad as "killing" lumps of cell tissue.[/QUOTE]
Actually, that's just as bad. But how is that remotely related to the issue at hand?
I'm pretty sure all issues, in the end, come down to being connected because they all affect us in real life.
My point is mainly that you hold fucking stupid view points and it's like you haven't even thought about what makes them stupid, you've just accepted them as your own with no effort to critically think or break them down, or relate them to history.
Every Glaber thread on Facepunch.
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28180738]I'm pretty sure all issues, in the end, come down to being connected because they all affect us in real life.
My point is mainly that you hold fucking stupid view points and it's like you haven't even thought about what makes them stupid, you've just accepted them as your own with no effort to critically think or break them down, or relate them to history.[/QUOTE]
I could say the same thing about you and your beliefs.
[QUOTE=Glaber;28180758]I could say the same thing about you and your beliefs.[/QUOTE]
Not really.
You have said multiple times that you get all of your information on basically every issue from conservative talk show hosts.
[QUOTE=Glaber;28180758]I could say the same thing about you and your beliefs.[/QUOTE]
Really? My views don't violate others rights, other peopls choices, other peoples freedoms, my beliefs stick pretty well with history, as we've seen the fail of unregulated capitalism a few times now, not to mention how many different situations your only argument is to simply, look up what your radio hosts think of it.
Guys answering glaber hasn't done any good so why don't you just ignore him.
[QUOTE=Glaber;28180758]I could say the same thing about you and your beliefs.[/QUOTE]
There is a pretty big difference between saying "I don't think anyone's right should be removed, no matter what, because they are rights" compared to "Well -I- don't think gays need rights, they're only gays"
Glaber: An answer in search of research.
Real People: Research in search of an answer.
Counter-Protesters win.
How about this glaber? The majority of the shit you think, and like, and are told by your radio hosts, have all been done a thousand times before. Guess what? They fucked up then, they just fucking don't work.
Conservatives don't learn I guess, or they wouldn't be conservatives, holding onto the past so tightly they just look like fucking Neanderthals.
[QUOTE=Glaber;28180758]I could say the same thing about you and your beliefs.[/QUOTE]
Why do you feel that you have the right to be against abortion? You're not a woman so you will never really have to face that choice. Or as Humanabyss put it
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28163687]Planned Parenthood has nothing to do with abortion. All you're doing is advocating female death because you're a man who is too fucking stupid to realize this is a conversation well above your head. Women, contrary to your fucking stupid beliefs, have a choice as to what to do with their bodies. They can choose the "child" in their stomachs, or not. They have that right. I like you trying to deny them that. It's really fucking classy.[/QUOTE]
its 3am, so forgive me if my metaphorical skills aren't quite up to par. following glaber logic, i shouldn't have to pay taxes for public roads if i don't believe i should have to provide public roads for black people because that is against my personal beliefs. similarly, i shouldn't have to pay taxes that go toward providing abortions to people, because it goes against my personal beliefs.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;28183617]its 3am, so forgive me if my metaphorical skills aren't quite up to par. following glaber logic, i shouldn't have to pay taxes for public roads if i don't believe i should have to provide public roads for black people because that is against my personal beliefs. similarly, i shouldn't have to pay taxes that go toward providing abortions to people, because it goes against my personal beliefs.[/QUOTE]
Basically, but you can't not support a war against another country, and you can't also not support making big business more powerful and more money.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;28183617]its 3am, so forgive me if my metaphorical skills aren't quite up to par. following glaber logic, i shouldn't have to pay taxes for public roads if i don't believe i should have to provide public roads for black people because that is against my personal beliefs. similarly, i shouldn't have to pay taxes that go toward providing abortions to people, because it goes against my personal beliefs.[/QUOTE]
The war one is a better analogy. Why do pacifists have to support the government funded war machine through their taxes? You could even argue that it violates their religious beliefs if they are Buddhist, for example.
Do you have an answer to this, glaber? It lines up perfectly with your abortion argument so there really is no way for you to attack the analogy instead of answering it.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28180745]Every Glaber thread on Facepunch.
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More like every Glaber post. Everything he posts makes no sense.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28183712]The war one is a better analogy. Why do pacifists have to support the government funded war machine through their taxes? You could even argue that it violates their religious beliefs if they are Buddhist, for example.
Do you have an answer to this, glaber? It lines up perfectly with your abortion argument so there really is no way for you to attack the analogy instead of answering it.[/QUOTE]
I'm just gonna hazard a guess at what his response will be.
"It's just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it."
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28184199]I'm just gonna hazard a guess at what his response will be.
"It's just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it."[/QUOTE]
That won't be an answer and I will attack it viciously and ruthlessly in a fit of insane bestial rage that will make Rush Limbaugh himself proud
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28184297]That won't be an answer and I will attack it viciously and ruthlessly in a fit of insane bestial rage that will make Rush Limbaugh himself proud[/QUOTE]
Good.
I don't know how it works in Wisconsin but here in Virginia teachers are not given free health care. There is cooperation between school systems and health care providers but not to the extent that they provide free care. My mom still has to pay for my brother and I to be on her plan.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28183712]The war one is a better analogy. Why do pacifists have to support the government funded war machine through their taxes? You could even argue that it violates their religious beliefs if they are Buddhist, for example.
Do you have an answer to this, glaber? It lines up perfectly with your abortion argument so there really is no way for you to attack the analogy instead of answering it.[/QUOTE]
Sorry for taking so long to get back to this. I was spending more time on minecraft rather than trying to get people here to understand conservatism, the issue at hand, and my real beliefs.
To answer you question Zeke, Check the United States Constitution. it Mandates that we have a Military. If you don't like it, then move in and start a movement to get that amended.
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