Canadian hate crime: muslims discover pile of bacon on their doorstep - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Chernarus;37902352]Its more a case of, why would you do something so dumb as that just to make others feel shitty.[/QUOTE] Freedom of speech. I dont like having people telling me to go die in a fire because im a furry; or because im bisexual; or because whatever. It is free speech, every person is born with it and no religion/fandom/person/government can take that away.

[QUOTE=thisispain;37902290][img]http://www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Masjid-Al-Hidayah-graffiti1-300x224.jpg[/img] i would think the sign would make it clear[/QUOTE] It appears I missed that. Oops.

[QUOTE=The fox;37902384]Freedom of speech. I dont like having people telling me to go die in a fire because im a furry; or because im bisexual; or because whatever. It is free speech, every person is born with it and no religion/fandom/person/government can take that away.[/QUOTE] What does your fetish have to do with anything I said. Also there are laws against hate propaganda in Canada.

plus free speech isn't putting bacon on the floor unless that's written on the back of the bill of rights

[QUOTE=The fox;37902308]So, you want to make fun of me, because I question why muslims get special treatment from a food product left at their doorstep? Alright.. well, its a free world. You do what you think is important. I guess I shouldnt be allowed to kiss a future boy/girlfriend outside of a Mosque/Synagogue/Church, either, god forbid people might get offended.[/QUOTE] It's not about the bacon. It's about the malicious intent behind it, this is similar to someone leaving a burning cross outside a black family's house.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;37902492]It's not about the bacon. It's about the malicious intent behind it, this is similar to someone leaving a burning cross outside a black family's house.[/QUOTE] Why are blacks offended by burning wood? Why do they get a special treatment?

[QUOTE=Chernarus;37902456]What does your fetish have to do with anything I said. Also there are laws against hate propaganda in Canada.[/QUOTE] Hardly a fetish; albeit such is for another thread to discuss. I would have assumed someone such as yourself would have understood such by now; Alas, I am quite surprised. Though, Freedom of expression means I can put muhammed on a canvas if I want, despite what muslims think. It means I can express myself the way I want to; unless it involves murder or so forth; which this has not. Merely dropping a edible food infront of a building should hardly subscribe itself to be a hatcrime; Alas, what if I were to drop bacon as someone did during the NYC Islam gathering, then they get offended by it; Is it a hate crime?

You should just stop.

[QUOTE=The fox;37902514]Hardly a fetish; albeit such is for another thread to discuss. I would have assumed someone such as yourself would have understood such by now; Alas, I am quite surprised. Though, Freedom of expression means I can put muhammed on a canvas if I want, despite what muslims think. It means I can express myself the way I want to; unless it involves murder or so forth; which this has not. Merely dropping a edible food infront of a building should hardly subscribe itself to be a hatcrime; Alas, what if I were to drop bacon as someone did during the NYC Islam gathering, then they get offended by it; Is it a hate crime?[/QUOTE] If your grocery bag had a hole and it fell out, no, if you put it there as a symbol for the disregard of their believes, yes. Why do you not know what symbolism is?

[QUOTE=Killuah;37902558]If your grocery bag had a hole and it fell out, no, if you put it there as a symbol for the disregard of their believes, yes. Why do you not know what symbolism is?[/QUOTE] And where do you draw the line for "a symbol of their disregard"? As I mentioned, someone had a BBQ in the NYC park a few months back, dropped some bacon and that was considered a hate crime, because a Islamic meeting were to take place there. Is that a hate crime?

[QUOTE=The fox;37902514]Hardly a fetish; albeit such is for another thread to discuss. I would have assumed someone such as yourself would have understood such by now; Alas, I am quite surprised. Though, Freedom of expression means I can put muhammed on a canvas if I want, despite what muslims think. It means I can express myself the way I want to; unless it involves murder or so forth; which this has not. Merely dropping a edible food infront of a building should hardly subscribe itself to be a hatcrime; Alas, what if I were to drop bacon as someone did during the NYC Islam gathering, then they get offended by it; Is it a hate crime?[/QUOTE] [url]http://e-civic.coquitlam.ca/cybercedms/getdoc.asp?doc=1249248[/url] Its also against city laws. So, its confirmed whoever did this broke the law and it most likely was trying to be offensive considering the mosques past.

[QUOTE=The fox;37902514]Hardly a fetish; albeit such is for another thread to discuss. Freedom of expression means I can put muhammed on a canvas if I want, despite what muslims think. It means I can express myself the way I want to; unless it involves murder or so forth; which this has not. Merely dropping a edible food infront of a building should hardly subscribe itself to be a hatcrime; Alas, what if I were to drop bacon as someone did during the NYC Islam gathering, then they get offended by it; Is it a hate crime?[/QUOTE] Your argument only works if it is done accidentally and this almost definitely wasn't. On an unrelated note, you should stop using words like albeit and alas to try and sound smart. You aren't using them right.

[QUOTE=The fox;37902577]And where do you draw the line for "a symbol of their disregard"? As I mentioned, someone had a BBQ in the NYC park a few months back, dropped some bacon and that was considered a hate crime, because a Islamic meeting were to take place there. Is that a hate crime?[/QUOTE] that's a hate crime against nature [editline]3rd October 2012[/editline] also furry isn't a fetish, i don't know who it was that said that fetish refers to inanimate things, not weird dog horse hybrids

[QUOTE=Chernarus;37902582][url]http://e-civic.coquitlam.ca/cybercedms/getdoc.asp?doc=1249248[/url] Its also against city laws. So, its confirmed whoever did this broke the law and it most likely was trying to be offensive considering the mosques past.[/QUOTE] Thank you, I will read it through and give my response in a matter of a few minutes. Right then; It appears to be against the laws to litter in regards to disposing of items of which are food; still doesnt make it a hate crime, though, in regard to what was mentioned earlier, I can accept that. Thank you, Chernarus, for providing true; factual laws and regulations for it. I appreciate it; and I do not have any particular counter-argument towards such laws being imposed. EDIT: A small notion; though; thisispain is not quite so correct in his regard of what a furry is; like I said, though, should a discussion or so forth stem from this, it belongs in a thread dealing with such matter. Though, should you wish to further discuss such matter; I am more than readily available over PM; thisispain.

[QUOTE=The fox;37902621]Thank you, I will read it through and give my response in a matter of a few minutes. Right then; It appears to be against the laws to litter in regards to disposing of items of which are food; still doesnt make it a hate crime, though, in regard to what was mentioned earlier, I can accept that. Thank you, Chernarus, for providing true; factual laws and regulations for it. I appreciate it; and I do not have any particular counter-argument towards such laws being imposed.[/QUOTE] It is a crime that has been committed to deliberately offend a group of people motivated by racial/religious prejudice. What about that isn't a hate crime?

The investigation is ongoing, but either way if they're caught they're going to need to need to cough up $100 for littering! And, [QUOTE]The Criminal Code of Canada says a hate crime is committed to intimidate, harm or terrify not only a person, but an entire group of people to which the victim belongs. The victims are targeted for who they are, not because of anything they have done. [B]A hate crime is one in which hate is the motive and can involve intimidation, harassment, physical force or threat of physical force against a person, a group or a property.[/B][/QUOTE] If the motive was to harass them for their religious views or origin, then yes indeed it IS a hate crime.

[QUOTE=The fox;37901702]how can you prove that? what if i accidentally leave behind bacon after ive had a BBQ or anything like that? is it also a hate crime? the muslims that get so offended at every little thing involving their sect have to grow some fucking balls, just like christianity and, for the most part, judaism did. tough shit if they dont like it.[/QUOTE] Accidentally leave your five piles of bacon on the doorstep of a mosque after a BBQ? Sounds legit.

"Roughly five piles"? That's like "It took me 13 moments to get groceries today"

I thought that hate crimes weren't hate crimes if they weren't crimes [editline]4th October 2012[/editline] Wait, five piles? I can see how that could be bordering on harassment.

Phaha, oh god. I suddenly remembered that fake news from Spain, like people dissatisfied with Mosque being built near their living area went out and buried a dead pig at the construction site, and thus Mosque was canceled. Hilarious stuff.

[QUOTE=The fox;37902135]The fact that any products made of pork, I can dig out the article from a few months back in which someone having a BBQ left some bacon strips behind, then there was a Islamic event at the same place, was branded a hate crime. I am wondering; Why? Why does muslims take it so seriously; why Judaism and Christianity does not.[/QUOTE] It's considered unclean to eat them, pigs are known to be decomposers that wouldn't hesitate to eating human corpses. It's like the "do not eat with your left hand" custom.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;37905213]It's like the "do not eat with your left hand" custom.[/QUOTE] Because it's used to wipe their assholes. :v:

[QUOTE=Ericson666;37901529]protip: Muslims like pigs, and can't eat them[/QUOTE] Yeah I know. But just because they've chosen to think that, it has to be a "hate" crime? I don't see why it should be a crime at all to be honest. Don't like bacon? Chuck the shit away.

They take every maple syrup they can find and empty it all on a field. Hate crime of the millennia.

well the action speaks for it self, not matter what it is small or big, will it be acceptable if i put something in front of church doorsteps, or burn the bible, of course not. if you're gone give free food, at least give it to people who actually can eat it, otherwise keep it for yourself.

[QUOTE=The fox;37902621]Thank you, I will read it through and give my response in a matter of a few minutes.[/QUOTE] I must admit I skipped Page 3 because I was getting tired of seeing you back and forth over things you do not understand. Canada does not work like the United States, where free speech is much more protected in the legal sense. I'm going to quote Wikipedia because while I'd love to get a law degree, I can't afford to shift my life around this much yet. [quote]“Limits on speech were incorporated in the criminal code in relation to treason, sedition, blasphemous and defamatory libel, disruption of religious worship, hate propaganda, spreading false news, public mischief, obscenity, indecency and other forms.”[/quote] This is partly referring to the Criminal Code of Canada, which prohibits certain things such as "Hate propaganda". I'm not saying anyone who drops a sack of bacon should be jailed. Obviously context matters, and in this case it looks like the perpetrators might be intending to cause "pain" to the people of the Mosque. If this were the United States, the police probably would not care because freedom of speech is greater (in law at least) over there and if I'm not mistaken, would let you do things like this. You might hit a silly charge like littering, but as far as I know there's nothing stopping you from flashing kilos of bacon at angry muslims whereas in Canada there's a place where we draw the line. Hope this helps understand it more. The police do not get involved when people are offended, they get involved when a law gets broken, and in this case there's a possibility that it may have happened, so they investigate. Nothing complicated, stupid or retarded here.

i want bacon so fucking bad now

[QUOTE=Ericson666;37901529]protip: Muslims like pigs, and can't eat them[/QUOTE] No dumbass, Muslim culture avoids pigs because they are considered to be the foulest of the foulest of creatures. You're thinking of Hindus and the cows [editline]5th October 2012[/editline] Oh and this has to be the most polite hate crime possible only in Canada

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;37900632]Imagine a world where all hate crimes are just leaving a plate of meat on the other religion's doorstep It would be better :v:[/QUOTE] Unless you were a livestock animal

I'll never understand how muslims can say no to bacon, it's just so good...