McDonald's employee arrested after telling company president she can't afford shoes. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Glitchman;42479084]I'd support a raise to 12 dollars minimum wage, but as soon as people in food service make as much as I do as a web developer then I'll be pissed.[/QUOTE] That's a very narcissistic look on things. Looking at the gross profit of fast food chains, they are obviously just as needed as you are, if not more.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;42477925]My dad keeps saying you're not supposed to live on minimum wage, rather than move up to a better paying job. :v:[/QUOTE] It's not always easy to move to a better paying job.

I used to work as a cleaner here in the Netherlands and I made 11 euro's or 15 dollars an hour.... When I was 15-16...

[QUOTE=Rubs10;42479878]Maybe that's also a good way to upset the economy. It's hard to prove whether or not we should increase minimum wage. My opinion is that we should look at other solutions, like basic income.[/QUOTE] You mean a minimum citizen's income?

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;42477925]My dad keeps saying you're not supposed to live on minimum wage, rather than move up to a better paying job. :v:[/QUOTE] In this day and age you cannot live off of minimum wage; and I agree that you shouldn't be able to live off of it. Minimum wage jobs are for extremely unskilled laborers (Ages 16-25) who don't have the credentials to get into a more permanent career field. If we increase minimum wage inflation will just increase the cost of living. Sure, it may not be an immediate effect but it will happen. In my opinion I'd rather get paid less but live cheaper than get paid more and still have a high amount of expenses. We need our government to be more centralized and we should shrink our foreign policy to lower our footprint on the world. If our government focused more on domestic policies that directly assist the people in a way that isn't just government sponsored aid programs. We need to prioritize domestic investment and education.

Minimum wage in Estonia is 1,89 euro an hour, yet in McDonalds (there are adverts everywhere) they promise starting wage at 3,30 euro an hour. It's almost double the minimum wage here, in a shithole of an European economy!

I'm nearing my 24th birthday and I've never had a job pay higher than $7.75/h America sucks.

[QUOTE=Brt5470;42477966]The social conservative side of me wonders why she stayed their 10 years if she wasn't getting a raise. Edit: I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying I'm surprised she didn't manage to get another job in that time.[/QUOTE] because the alternative is starving? when you have children to feed, you really going to take the chance?

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;42480313]In this day and age you cannot live off of minimum wage; and I agree that you shouldn't be able to live off of it. Minimum wage jobs are for extremely unskilled laborers (Ages 16-25) who don't have the credentials to get into a more permanent career field. If we increase minimum wage inflation will just increase the cost of living. Sure, it may not be an immediate effect but it will happen. In my opinion I'd rather get paid less but live cheaper than get paid more and still have a high amount of expenses.[/QUOTE] Minimum wage has lots of purposes, and one purpose is certainly so that people can live off it. If you can have an employee and pay them so little that they can't even live off it, the business is essentially getting welfare in the form of support the government must then pay the employee. What sense does it make to allow a business to hire a worker at such a low wage that the government has to start paying the difference? If such a thing can be sensible, I don't think we're there right now. Minimum wage workers are also a fairly small percent of the total working population, just 6% in 2012 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Although if you increase minimum wage more people would necessarily fall under the new level, those additional people represent progressively less difference in total wages dispensed. Even a doubling of minimum wage should lead to no more than a 6% increase in costs due to the population involved, and those people will be about 95% better off.

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42480540]because the alternative is starving? when you have children to feed, you really going to take the chance?[/QUOTE] While it would be risky, it wouldn't hurt to go job hunting in your spare time outside of work.

[QUOTE=Glitchman;42479084]I'd support a raise to 12 dollars minimum wage, but as soon as people in food service make as much as I do as a web developer then I'll be pissed.[/QUOTE] you're right! web developers are much more important then people who help to provide incredibly cheap (albeit not great for you) food to people who need it! forget about eating, i've have an alright looking website!

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;42480604]you're right! web developers are much more important then people who help to provide incredibly cheap (albeit not great for you) food to people who need it! forget about eating, i've have an alright looking website![/QUOTE] He's probably put thousands of dollars into an education to get that job while a McDonald's employee needs maybe 2-3 hours of training to be able to function correctly at the job. I think it's fair that those who put more investment into their career like that get paid higher than those who don't.

[QUOTE=MR-X;42478937]8.25 after 10 years of service is fucking stupid. She could work for walmart and get her raise 40-80 cents a year. There are people who easily make 15-25 dollars an hour after 10 years of service. As much as i feel for her, maybe it is time to get a new job or start looking. I mean you've had 10 years, there has to be something out there that is better.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I was making 8.50 an hour at a quick lube shop. That was after one year of working. I don't want to be dick about this, after I was stuck at the same wage for a few years, some red flags would have popped up. I know the job market is fucking atrocious, but 10 years is a long time.

UTTER DISGRACE

[QUOTE=draugur;42477872]His response to her about being there for 40 years doesn't really help his case when she clearly makes way less than 1/4th what he does.[/QUOTE] 1/4? Doesn't the McDonalds USA President make about $5 MILLION a year?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42480581]While it would be risky, it wouldn't hurt to go job hunting in your spare time outside of work.[/QUOTE] thats the thing, she already can't spare something like shoes to her children, and has to work, i don't think she has much time to do that, nevermind that poverty is horrible for a person psyche, like that research proved, she probably depressed too. [url]http://www.newrepublic.com/article/environment-energy/89377/poverty-escape-psychology-self-control[/url] the idea that you can just "bootstrap" your way out of poverty is an awfully horrid notion thats waaaaay too pervasive across the globe, for every person that pulls it off, you probably got like 9 that fail.

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42480743]thats the thing, she already can't spare something like shoes to her children, and has to work, i don't think she has much time to do that, nevermind that poverty is horrible for a person psyche, like that research proved, she probably depressed too. [url]http://www.newrepublic.com/article/environment-energy/89377/poverty-escape-psychology-self-control[/url] the idea that you can just "bootstrap" your way out of poverty is an awfully horrid notion thats waaaaay too pervasive across the globe, for every person that pulls it off, you probably got like 9 that fail.[/QUOTE] She had enough time to crash this party. Just saying.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;42480604]you're right! web developers are much more important then people who help to provide incredibly cheap (albeit not great for you) food to people who need it! forget about eating, i've have an alright looking website![/QUOTE] It isn't necessarily about how important you consider a job to be. It's about the training required to perform a job competently. It doesn't take a lot of skill to work fast food.

[quote] At that point, someone approached Salgado and informed her that she was going to be arrested.[/quote] doesn't really sound like she did anything wrong or that anyone from McDOnnalds filed charges

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42480764]She had enough time to crash this party. Just saying.[/QUOTE] you're right, she should've shut up, and go back to her shitty life, damn those poors who don't know their place. your argument could be used for pretty much any act of protest anyone ever did "if you had the time to protest, clearly you could "insert random argument here".

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42480829]you're right, she should've shut up, and go back to her shitty life, damn those poors who don't know their place. your argument could be used for pretty much any act of protest anyone ever did "if you had the time to protest, clearly you could "insert random argument here".[/QUOTE] You just claimed that she had 0 free time to do anything, not even think clearly and now your saying I'm hating on the poor when I point out otherwise?

When I worked in fast food I had hardly any free time, because I had to get all the extra hours I could to survive as my wage was so low and I'd spend the remainder sleeping or just trying to relax, because I'd be so stressed. Looking for a new job is easier said than done when your current job sucks the life out of you. Perhaps she was desperate to put her point across in a way that would gain some exposure? (it seems to have worked at least, otherwise I wouldn't be reading this article.)

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42480857]You just claimed that she had 0 free time to do anything, not even think clearly and now your saying I'm hating on the poor when I point out otherwise?[/QUOTE] i didn't claim she had absolute 0 free time, i said it was probably far too taxing for her, sure she might be capable, in the same way a person is capable of withstanding tremendous ammount of pain, that doesn't mean anyone should be subjected to it through. you not even for a moment criticized the corporation in this topic, only "implied" the fault might lie with the mother.

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;42481004]i didn't claim she had absolute 0 free time, i said it was probably far too taxing for her, sure she might be capable, in the same way a person is capable of withstanding tremendous ammount of pain, that doesn't mean anyone should be subjected to it through. you not even for a moment criticized the corporation in this topic, only "implied" the fault might lie with the mother.[/QUOTE] 1 hour at a library, going through job applications. It's not that difficult, even with a full time job at McDonalds. She could even take her kids there. Yeah, the corporation is shit but it doesn't mean she has to never try for [I]ten fucking years[/I] to find something else. These ten years include a time when the economy was doing quite well.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42481071]1 hour at a library, going through job applications. It's not that difficult, even with a full time job at McDonalds. She could even take her kids there. Yeah, the corporation is shit but it doesn't mean she has to never try for [I]ten fucking years[/I] to find something else. These ten years include a time when the economy was doing quite well.[/QUOTE] What about smaller towns where all the employers tend to know each other, and won't hire employees out from under another employer because it's viewed as unfriendly?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42481071]1 hour at a library, going through job applications. It's not that difficult, even with a full time job at McDonalds. She could even take her kids there. Yeah, the corporation is shit but it doesn't mean she has to never try for [I]ten fucking years[/I] to find something else. These ten years include a time when the economy was doing quite well.[/QUOTE] hey man not everyone is you and not everyone has the opportunities you may have. why don't you ask all the older people living homeless on the streets why they haven't "looked for a job" for the past few decades? is it really that easy?

When it gets to this point i dont understand why you dont move closer together as a people. I mean shit, there must be at least a million of you who are in this sort of situation by now, why dont you pool your resources, make your backyards into greenhouses, start trading amongst each other, some of you probably knows how to work a sewing machine, so start fixing up clothing and shoes for your kids, make up your own currency, fuck the system over if it doesnt work for you.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42481406]hey man not everyone is you and not everyone has the opportunities you may have. why don't you ask all the older people living homeless on the streets why they haven't "looked for a job" for the past few decades? is it really that easy?[/QUOTE] Bootstraps etc

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42481562]Bootstraps etc[/QUOTE] really don't see how people can genuinely believe this when the system is designed to keep the rich rich and the poor poor.

[QUOTE=Toyhobo;42477998]Jobs don't grow on trees.[/QUOTE] They do if you're a lumber jack