TX: Cheerleader dropped from squad for not cheering sexual assailant, must pay up by court - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Insignificant;29665906] If he honestly did rape her then it's a shame he got off but I won't just assume he did because you said so and I'm pretty sure you haven't read anymore about it than i have. The two federal courts are more likely to be right than wrong and I am pretty sure jimmy nobody from the basketball team isn't gnna have enough pull to walk away scott free if there was evidence to suggest he raped someone from his school. [/QUOTE] plea, bargain

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29666217]I guess that's why the capital's super liberal.[/QUOTE] If you want to look at it by the capital, yes. If you want to look statistically it's a state full of right wing extremists

[QUOTE=Insignificant;29666183]You're right. They wouldn't have known they would be fined for it. But look at it this way. She's fined for a frivolous lawsuit. This incident must have been pretty minor. Even if he got off and it was just the case that they just couldn't prove it they would have at least not fined her for it. This leads me to believe the girl mistook something minor like an indecent pass on her and she exaggerated it. If a judge heard her stand up in court and admit all he did was try and touch her or something then he would have fined her for it. This is just speculation though. I won't pretend that this is what actually happened as we're not told what was said in court are we. If it is the case that there was doubt but they fined her anyway then like I say her parents should have expected it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666210]Pretty much, once one court throws it out that's when you should drop it. Taking it to another court is just being stupid. I bet her being raped was her being felt up at a party by the guy while he was more than likely drunk[/QUOTE] you both have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, the 45k came from a lawsuit between the school and the parents that has nothing to do with the criminal charges and as the article says he got off by pleading assault as a misdemeanor

[QUOTE=Swilly;29666125]It would be PURE hell in your high school if you went forward with a case against one of the most popular guys. Most of them can also get away with sexual abuse as well, its quite pathetic how easy it is the bend over the student body to get them to not bother you.[/QUOTE] It's not like that in my school. You sound like your just from the other end of the spectrum. a really nerdy guy with misconceptions of the social order in schools. It's not black and white and I'm inclined to believe that students, no matter how popular at school, would no influence over a federal court. Sorry that I called you a nerdy guy. I'm not saying you are it's just how you come across to me. I'm being careful not to be judgmental as I know everyone else I've challenged will swoop on me like vultures. I cba to explain the difference between misinformed judgment and an intended insult

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666274]you both have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, the 45k came from a lawsuit between the school and the parents that has nothing to do with the criminal charges and as the article says he got off by pleading assault as a misdemeanor[/QUOTE] Since when can you get away with rape by saying that you just hit her Either way all of it would be avoided if the girl just left the school instead of being an idiot

[QUOTE=Insignificant;29666283]It's not like that in my school. You sound like your just from the other end of the spectrum. a really nerdy guy with misconceptions of the social order in schools. It's not black and white and I'm inclined to believe that students, no matter how popular at school, would no influence over a federal court.[/QUOTE] he's not talking about a federal court

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29666197]Um the claim was she was raped by MULTIPLE PEOPLE. He was just one of them.[/QUOTE] That just strengthens my argument

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666294]Since when can you get away with rape by saying that you just hit her[/QUOTE] assault isn't hitting someone, assault can also be sexual assault which is a lesser crime than rape probably they made the case that he was under the influence and therefor not 100% accountable therefor he pled guilty to a misdemeanor which probably resulted in parole, community service, a fine, or forced education.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666231]If you want to look at it by the capital, yes. If you want to look statistically it's a state full of right wing extremists[/QUOTE] Might have more than other states, but I wouldn't say "full".

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666329]assault isn't hitting someone, assault can also be sexual assault which is a lesser crime than rape probably they made the case that he was under the influence and therefor not 100% accountable therefor he pled guilty to a misdemeanor which probably resulted in parole, community service, a fine, or forced education.[/QUOTE] If it were still under sexual assault why would he be allowed to stay in the school and basketball team?

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666219]Was anybody actually charged with rape?[/QUOTE] Is that relevant the issue of whether her freedom of speech was being violated in her wish to not cheer for someone the team demands she cheer for?

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666363]If it were still under sexual assault why would he be allowed to stay in the school and basketball team?[/QUOTE] because he pled to a misdemeanor or a lesser criminal act which generally is different from a felony in that you don't lose your civil rights

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29666373]Is that relevant the issue of whether her freedom of speech was being violated in her wish to not cheer for someone the team demands she cheer for?[/QUOTE] No, but it's a secondary issue.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666363]If it were still under sexual assault why would he be allowed to stay in the school and basketball team?[/QUOTE] Because, as has been indicated before, the school administration is filled with stupid cuntbags?

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666301]he's not talking about a federal court[/QUOTE] He's saying "most popular guys can get away with sexual abuse" in reference I can only assume to the article provided by the OP. The article states he was charged in a federal court. So he was talking about a federal court

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666385]because he pled to a misdemeanor or a lesser criminal act which generally is different from a felony in that you don't lose your civil rights[/QUOTE] I don't think he has a civil right to play basketball, that's the schools call.

[QUOTE=Insignificant;29666389]He's saying "most popular guys can get away with sexual abuse" in reference I can only assume to the article provided by the OP. The article states he was charged in a federal court. So he was talking about a federal court[/QUOTE] no he was saying that in a school setting if a popular person is said to do something bad most people generally believe that it isn't true and support that popular person for whatever reason

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29666373]Is that relevant the issue of whether her freedom of speech was being violated in her wish to not cheer for someone the team demands she cheer for?[/QUOTE] If nobody was charged with rape I'm starting to lean towards her lying about the rape to begin with, if not lying blowing it out of proportion. Either way it isn't violating her freedom of speech, she was free to leave the team at any time.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666393]I don't think he has a civil right to play basketball, that's the schools call.[/QUOTE] no, losing civil rights would be being imprisoned he wasn't sent to prison and the school wanted him to play basketball or whatever so they let him

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666416]If nobody was charged with rape I'm starting to lean towards her lying about the rape to begin with, if not lying blowing it out of proportion. Either way it isn't violating her freedom of speech, she was free to leave the team at any time.[/QUOTE] So what you're saying is you're busy arguing something entirely irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666416]If nobody was charged with rape[/QUOTE] someone was charged with rape but pled to a misdemeanor which is a reduced sentence

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666423]no, losing civil rights would be being imprisoned he wasn't sent to prison and the school wanted him to play basketball or whatever so they let him[/QUOTE] And then the girl decided to stay in the school, got in trouble for not doing what she was supposed to do, sued the school, lost, sued the school again, and then cried to the media. [editline]6th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29666433]So what you're saying is you're busy arguing something entirely irrelevant.[/QUOTE] It's still part of the case, just because it isn't the main focus doesn't mean that it can't be related

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666162]You clearly watch too much tv[/QUOTE] Or seen to much of it happen :colbert:

[QUOTE=Swilly;29666458]Or seen to much of it happen :colbert:[/QUOTE] How many times have you seen this happen exactly

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666439]And then the girl decided to stay in the school, got in trouble for not doing what she was supposed to do, sued the school, lost, sued the school again, and then cried to the media.[/QUOTE] OR maybe its a conspiracy by the US government to make rape victims look like they're lying :ohdear:

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666439]And then the girl decided to stay in the school, got in trouble for not doing what she was supposed to do, sued the school, lost, sued the school again, and then cried to the media[/QUOTE] she was underage so she couldn't make any of those decisions

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666385]because he pled to a misdemeanor or a lesser criminal act which generally is different from a felony in that you don't lose your civil rights[/QUOTE] Are you suggesting If I walk into my school and murder everyone I will probably get off if I pled guilty to a lesser criminal act? You can't just decide what you are charged with in court. Your argument is completely ridiculous. You keep on saying he pled guilty to a misdemeanor as if that proves he was guilty of full on rape. Neither you nor I know exactly what he did to the girl. All we know is what he was charged with and that Is the only evidence you are allowed to argue with.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666465]How many times have you seen this happen exactly[/QUOTE] At private school daily occurrence of once or twice. I don't know what its like in public school :v:

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666465]How many times have you seen this happen exactly[/QUOTE] 2371 times what a ridiculous question

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666473]she was underage so she couldn't make any of those decisions[/QUOTE] And then the girl decided to stay in the school, got in trouble for not doing what she was supposed to do, her parents sued the school, lost, sued the school again, and then cried to the media happy now? [editline]6th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;29666486]2371 times what a ridiculous question[/QUOTE] He made it sound like it's an epidemic, what do you expect when all I had to work with was a shitty statement.