TX: Cheerleader dropped from squad for not cheering sexual assailant, must pay up by court - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666498]And then the girl decided to stay in the school, got in trouble for not doing what she was supposed to do, her parents sued the school, lost, sued the school again, and then cried to the media happy now? [editline]6th May 2011[/editline] He made it sound like it's an epidemic, how is that a bad question?[/QUOTE] How is that an epidemic, its not a disease. And you'll never get real numbers because it isn't usually reported to the school. Even then, knowing they're zero-tolerance policies, both sides will get slapped.

[QUOTE=Insignificant;29666477]Are you suggesting If I walk into my school and murder everyone I will probably get off if I pled guilty to a lesser criminal act? You can't just decide what you are charged with in court. Your argument is completely ridiculous. You keep on saying he pled guilty to a misdemeanor as if that proves he was guilty of full on rape. Neither you nor I know exactly what he did to the girl. All we know is what he was charged with and that Is the only evidence you are allowed to argue with.[/QUOTE] Isn't there normally, you know, a police investigation when somebody gets raped?

[QUOTE=Insignificant;29666477]Are you suggesting If I walk into my school and murder everyone[/QUOTE] no because murder is not a misdemeanor, sexual assault is if someone died you could hope for a plea of misdemeanor manslaughter [QUOTE=Insignificant;29666477] I will probably get off if I pled guilty to a lesser criminal act? You can't just decide what you are charged with in court.[/QUOTE] no the prosecutor gives you the bargain so let's say you deny raping someone, the prosecution could move to ask you to plead guilty for a lesser crime and gain a lesser sentence because the act you are being prosecuted for isn't as serious do you have like 0 understanding of how common law works? [QUOTE=Insignificant;29666477]Your argument is completely ridiculous. You keep on saying he pled guilty to a misdemeanor as if that proves he was guilty of full on rape. Neither you nor I know exactly what he did to the girl. All we know is what he was charged with and that Is the only evidence you are allowed to argue with.[/QUOTE] i'm not arguing anything, i'm telling you how the law system works and what happened because you don't know shit about it

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29666373]Is that relevant the issue of whether her freedom of speech was being violated in her wish to not cheer for someone the team demands she cheer for?[/QUOTE] I can tell you what is relevant to that issue though. the fact that she was a cheerleader and agreed to cheer on the basketball team. No matter how you spin it if she agrees to cheer for the team and then doesn't cheer the school has every right to ask her to leave. You can't volunteer for a job and then not do it. It's not like they punished her for not cheering. They just asked her to not stand there in full mascot gear looking sullen whenever bolton scored.

[QUOTE=Insignificant;29666538]I can tell you what is relevant to that issue though. the fact that she was a cheerleader and agreed to cheer on the basketball team. No matter how you spin it if she agrees to cheer for the team and then doesn't cheer the school has every right to ask her to leave. You can't volunteer for a job and then not do it. It's not like they punished her for not cheering. They just asked her to not stand there in full mascot gear looking sullen whenever bolton scored.[/QUOTE] There is no legal form signed, its a social contract so no, she doesn't have to cheer. Her freedom of speech is being violated. Also, school rarely listen to the rules because until recently, students aren't seen to have the same rights as teachers and their adult counter parts.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666498] He made it sound like it's an epidemic, what do you expect when all I had to work with was a shitty statement.[/QUOTE] he didn't make it sound like anything, he just said he's seen it before

Leave texas.

[QUOTE=Swilly;29666547]There is no legal form signed, its a social contract so no, she doesn't have to cheer.[/QUOTE] Uh, I'm pretty sure you sign forms when you sign up for extra curricular activities which prove that you have an agreement to be a cheerleader even if they don't say that specifically

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666572]Uh, I'm pretty sure you sign forms when you sign up for extra curricular activities which prove that you have an agreement to be a cheerleader even if they don't say that specifically[/QUOTE] Those are medical forms nimrod :colbert: Those forms of signatures are there to make sure the person signing up to participate is of sound mind and body. Not legally wavering they're rights. At most its to avoid the school for getting lawsuits about player injuries.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666523]Isn't there normally, you know, a police investigation when somebody gets raped?[/QUOTE] Police investigators don't visit the location where it happened and then travel back in time to witness the event. I didn't say we don't know what she and him SAID happened

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666559]he didn't make it sound like anything, he just said he's seen it before[/QUOTE] Now you're putting a spin on it. He said [quote]Or seen to much of it happen [/quote] Implying that he's seen it several times and knows from experience how it happens.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666615]Now you're putting a spin on it. He said Implying that he's seen it several times and knows from experience how it happens.[/QUOTE] I only put a rough figure on it later, way to miss the right quote.

[QUOTE=Insignificant;29666605]Police investigators don't visit the location where it happened and then travel back in time to witness the event. I didn't say we don't know what she and him SAID happened[/QUOTE] I'm agreeing with you genius, I don't hear anything about an investigation, just a court ruling.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666615]Now you're putting a spin on it. He said Implying that he's seen it several times and knows from experience how it happens.[/QUOTE] yeah he's seen too much of it happen which could be anywhere from infinity to once because once is obviously too much i'm not putting a spin on anything, you're just being really pedantic

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666637]yeah he's seen too much of it happen which could be anywhere from infinity to once because once is obviously too much i'm not putting a spin on anything, you're just being really pedantic[/QUOTE] And trying to make it sound like it isn't an issue at all.

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666637]yeah he's seen too much of it happen which could be anywhere from infinity to once because once is obviously too much i'm not putting a spin on anything, you're just being really pedantic[/QUOTE] So how is it a bad question? You yourself just said it can range from 1 time to an infinite, if he's seen an infinite amount of rape cases that don't get reported I might be more apt to listen to him.

[QUOTE=Swilly;29666547]There is no legal form signed, its a social contract so no, she doesn't have to cheer. Her freedom of speech is being violated. Also, school rarely listen to the rules because until recently, students aren't seen to have the same rights as teachers and their adult counter parts.[/QUOTE] They didn't make her cheer. They told her not to stand in the way of the other cheerleaders whilst refusing to cheer. "school rarely listen to the rules" I'd like to see the evidence for that before you go running your mouth

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[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;29663811]So why was he charged for misdemeanour assault?[/QUOTE] Because he's a star athlete and it's Texas.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666655]So how is it a bad question? You yourself just said it can range from 1 time to an infinite, if he's seen an infinite amount of rape cases that don't get reported I might be more apt to listen to him.[/QUOTE] you'd listen to him if he said he's seen an irrational number of rapes

[QUOTE=Insignificant;29666658]They didn't make her cheer. They told her not to stand in the way of the other cheerleaders whilst refusing to cheer. "school rarely listen to the rules" I'd like to see the evidence for that before you go running your mouth[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_rights[/url] [U]Older Case[/U] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Community_School_District[/url] [U]Newer Case[/U] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_v._Frederick[/url] [url]http://articles.cnn.com/2007-03-19/justice/free.speech_1_principal-deborah-morse-school-policy-10-day-suspension?_s=PM:LAW[/url] [U]Updated ACLU Page[/U] [url]http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/student-speech[/url] [U]Further Reading[/U] [url]http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_stud.html[/url] Burden of proof met I believe.

All in favor of giving texas back to mexico say "I".

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666748]you'd listen to him if he said he's seen an irrational number of rapes[/QUOTE] If he could prove it, yes, I would.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666801]If he could prove it, yes, I would.[/QUOTE] How am I supposed to prove something that isn't reported because its seen as the norm to must teenagers :colbert: Look, you can take what I say with a grain of salt and that's fine by me but I've seen enough to know that the most popular people usually get away with some obnoxious shit.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666801]If he could prove it, yes, I would.[/QUOTE] prove an infinite set of something? i'm sure there's a math joke somewhere in there

[QUOTE=Swilly;29666819]How am I supposed to prove something that isn't reported because its seen as the norm to must teenagers :colbert: Look, you can take what I say with a grain of salt and that's fine by me but I've seen enough to know that the most popular people usually get away with some obnoxious shit.[/QUOTE] What, you wouldn't believe somebody who could prove witnessing an infinite amount of rapes?

[QUOTE=Swilly;29666819]How am I supposed to prove something that isn't reported because its seen as the norm to must teenagers :colbert:[/QUOTE] more importantly, how do you prove something using an irrational set of numbers

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666533]no because murder is not a misdemeanor, sexual assault is if someone died you could hope for a plea of misdemeanor manslaughter no the prosecutor gives you the bargain so let's say you deny raping someone, the prosecution could move to ask you to plead guilty for a lesser crime and gain a lesser sentence because the act you are being prosecuted for isn't as serious do you have like 0 understanding of how common law works? i'm not arguing anything, i'm telling you how the law system works and what happened because you don't know shit about it[/QUOTE] Yes you are arguing don't make me start quoting you because there are too many. I know how the law system works. I have enough of an idea. They wouldn't give you that bargain if there was enough evidence to charge you with rape. Are you gnna say they would? FYI If I walked into a school guns blazing and "someone died" I think you'll find I have 0% chance of a plea for manslaughter. That has to be the dimmest remark I have ever read I rated you winner. I mean that is actually incredible that you think I could get manslaughter if i waltzed into my school shooting guns and someone died. Don't critisize me for exaggerating either. I was making a point

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666845]more importantly, how do you prove something using an irrational set of numbers[/QUOTE] irrational reasoning

[QUOTE=thisispain;29666838]prove an infinite set of something? i'm sure there's a math joke somewhere in there[/QUOTE] [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GVA115I1I8Y/TMGTPsbyLTI/AAAAAAAABG0/WwIsKeXVGo0/s1600/Math-jokes.jpg[/img] [editline]7th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666861]irrational reasoning[/QUOTE] Perfect timing :v: [editline]7th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29666841]What, you wouldn't believe somebody who could prove witnessing an infinite amount of rapes?[/QUOTE] If they could prove it then I would, but like you, I wouldn't believe someone who didn't have proof unless they've seen it themselves.