TX: Cheerleader dropped from squad for not cheering sexual assailant, must pay up by court

[Broseph_]

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;29675866]If she didn't want to get raped she shouldnta gotten that good boy's dick caught in her massive slut vagina :bahgawd:[/QUOTE]

Good boy? But he's black?

What happen to Texas supposedly being a racist shithole?

[editline]7th May 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;29675913]Dear Texas please stop being retarded I'd like to move to Austin some day but you are just making that seem like the worst idea![/QUOTE]

Protip: This was the Federal Courts who did this, not Texas

[New Cidem]

This story is old as fuck, I read it in like 2008, dude.

[thisispain]

[QUOTE=Broseph_;29675525]
You realize plea bargains are typically only given when the prosecution doesn't have a sound case or enough evidence to make the charges stick, correct?[/QUOTE]

not always, a lot of times it's also given when they wanna speed up the prosecution case
i'm guessing the other side also had a very good lawyer

[Broseph_]

[QUOTE=thisispain;29676384]not always, a lot of times it's also given when they wanna speed up the prosecution case
i'm guessing the other side also had a very good lawyer[/QUOTE]

Anyway regardless, people are trying to shit all over Texas for this when it was the U.S. Federal Courts who rejected the girl's lawsuit

[Swilly]

[QUOTE=Broseph_;29676456]Anyway regardless, people are trying to shit all over Texas for this when it was the U.S. Federal Courts who rejected the girl's lawsuit[/QUOTE]

Because it was first rejected in Texas Courts :colbert:

[edja007]

[QUOTE=Swilly;29676688]Because it was first rejected in Texas Courts :colbert:[/QUOTE]
And for a damn good reason

[5killer]

[QUOTE=Broseph_;29675525]
You realize plea bargains are typically only given when the prosecution doesn't have a sound case or enough evidence to make the charges stick, correct?
[/QUOTE]

No, a plea bargain is a guilty plea without the harsher sentence. 90% of cases end of in a plea bargain, usually because the defendant is guilty.

[derry]

Cheer for yer raper, gal. *hiack* *hiack* *hiack*

[thisispain]

[QUOTE=5killer;29676830]No, a plea bargain is a guilty plea without the harsher sentence. 90% of cases end of in a plea bargain, usually because the defendant is guilty.[/QUOTE]

if the prosecution didn't have a sound legal case then why would the defendant even plead guilty?

[Last or First]

Okay. Listen.
The girl brought up a suit against the guy because she was raped. (He and his buddies had even left their clothes at the scene of the fucking crime.)
He plead guilty to a lesser crime, and the girl and her family was satisfied with it, as it was some punishment, and I can imagine that a rape victim wouldn't like talking about her rape over and over and over again in front of strangers who will criticize every fucking aspect of it, trying to blame her in any way. ("Drunk? Oh, well rape is acceptable then. You wore a short skirt? Oh, you had it coming." That kind of attitude.)
The girl went back to school, and the school told her basically to act invisible.
The girl didn't feel like she had to be ashamed of being a victim, and didn't feel that she had to quit doing what she liked to do, aka cheerleading, just because she was raped. She just didn't cheer for that one guy.
Her refusing to cheer for that one guy wasn't "substantial interference". It was one girl not participating in a minimal amount of the cheers. Not yelling "FUCK YOU RAKHEEM", but just staying silent. Oh no, one girl is staying silent, EVERYBODY'S GONNA HATE THE SCHOOL NOW.
Yes, being on the cheer team is voluntary. But she shouldn't have to be ashamed of getting raped. She shouldn't have to stop doing what she likes to do. She compromised and decided to just stay quiet during a minimal amount of the cheers. Barely disruptive at all. Hell, most people probably wouldn't even fucking notice. Plus, even though it's voluntary, [i]it's the fucking high school cheer squad. It's not a professional team, she's not getting paid, it's not the same as being a doctor.[/i]

[fancy ghost ☂]

[QUOTE=Broseph_;29675926]Good boy? But he's black?

What happen to Texas supposedly being a racist shithole?
[/QUOTE]

I thought you knew how it worked, x (noun) is always y (adjective) until z (adjective) is 'the new thing'

for example, Texas (x) [del]was ALWAYS racist[/del] (y) has never been racist, but they're TOTALLY COOL WITH RAPE (z)

[edja007]

[QUOTE=Last or First;29677082]Okay. Listen.
The girl brought up a suit against the guy because she was raped. (He and his buddies had even left their clothes at the scene of the fucking crime.)
He plead guilty to a lesser crime, and the girl and her family was satisfied with it, as it was some punishment, and I can imagine that a rape victim wouldn't like talking about her rape over and over and over again in front of strangers who will criticize every fucking aspect of it, trying to blame her in any way. ("Drunk? Oh, well rape is acceptable then. You wore a short skirt? Oh, you had it coming." That kind of attitude.)
The girl went back to school, and the school told her basically to act invisible.
The girl didn't feel like she had to be ashamed of being a victim, and didn't feel that she had to quit doing what she liked to do, aka cheerleading, just because she was raped. She just didn't cheer for that one guy.
Her refusing to cheer for that one guy wasn't "substantial interference". It was one girl not participating in a minimal amount of the cheers. Not yelling "FUCK YOU RAKHEEM", but just staying silent. Oh no, one girl is staying silent, EVERYBODY'S GONNA HATE THE SCHOOL NOW.
Yes, being on the cheer team is voluntary. But she shouldn't have to be ashamed of getting raped. She shouldn't have to stop doing what she likes to do. She compromised and decided to just stay quiet during a minimal amount of the cheers. Barely disruptive at all. Hell, most people probably wouldn't even fucking notice. Plus, even though it's voluntary, [i]it's the fucking high school cheer squad. It's not a professional team, she's not getting paid, it's not the same as being a doctor.[/i][/QUOTE]
Just because she's not getting paid doesn't mean she can just not do what she has without consequences. Cheerleading is optional. You either cheer for all or don't and fucking quit.
And again, it's fucking highschool, why does she care so much about some cheer squad. If she had free speech to not cheer for that guy, the school had free speech to kick her off.

[Swilly]

[QUOTE=thisispain;29676892]if the prosecution didn't have a sound legal case then why would the defendant even plead guilty?[/QUOTE]

Because plea bargains are usually given to those who can't possibly win a case. Instead of having to put up with the whole case and bog down the system, they can get a lesser sentence, admit to the crime and go do their time instead of going through arduous 5 day to many weeks long process of a trial.

[editline]7th May 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=edja007;29677462]Just because she's not getting paid doesn't mean she can just not do what she has without consequences. Cheerleading is optional. You either cheer for all or don't and fucking quit.
And again, it's fucking highschool, why does she care so much about some cheer squad. If she had free speech to not cheer for that guy, the school had free speech to kick her off.[/QUOTE]

A school is not a single entity and therefore does not have free speech.

[edja007]

[QUOTE=Swilly;29677617]
A school is not a single entity and therefore does not have free speech.[/QUOTE]
True, but the one who is in control has the power to decide. And since the court declined her case, school management was right.

[fancy ghost ☂]

this is a tricky one

although unfortunately the law decided against her, it's not like the people that wrote those laws were like "hmm alright well what if a cheerleader in highschool gets raped by that highschool's star basketball player?" "he'll only get a misdemeanor for assault hahaha" "alright good, now what if there's a huge basketball game and everyone's cheering and there are two seconds left and the rapist gets a freethrow and the crowd is going WILD and the cheer team is CHEERING and everyone is PUMPED AS FUCK but the cheerleader that got raped doesn't cheer for him and gets kicked off the team?" "$45,000 fine lol" "brilliant", that's just absurd

[editline]7th May 2011[/editline]

but to clarify I think that in this case, law be damned, he should get a harsher punishment and she should get her spot back

[Swilly]

[QUOTE=edja007;29677690]True, but the one who is in control has the power to decide. And since the court declined her case, school management was right.[/QUOTE]

However they are public servants and therefore are part of the government which cannot block one's free speech just because you work under them. It also is not like the child has a choice since its usually one high school per district. It is the parent's decision.

[Xenocidebot]

[QUOTE=edja007;29677690]True, but the one who is in control has the power to decide. And since the court declined her case, school management was right.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware the legal system in this country, let alone any country, was perfectly infallible and validated any given injustice by declining to deal with it.

[GarrettFox]

So if enough of congress okays it, can we officially declare war on Texas?

Barring that, can we give it back to Mexico?

[fancy ghost ☂]

[QUOTE=GunFox;29678020]So if enough of congress okays it, can we officially declare war on Texas?

Barring that, can we give it back to Mexico?[/QUOTE]

federal court came to the same conclusion though, I can't figure out why nobody (except for Florence) has been up in arms about disbanding the US or giving it back to England/France/Russia/Hawaiian royalty/Mexico yet

oh, because it's easier to put all the blame on people you don't like :downs:

[editline]7th May 2011[/editline]

I've only lived in texas for three and about a half years, but it's just as retarded as saying all of California is a communist anarchist hell-hole and everyone in it is a Code Pink/PETA member

[JDK721]

[QUOTE=Broseph_;29675525]You realize plea bargains are typically only given when the prosecution doesn't have a sound case or enough evidence to make the charges stick, correct?[/QUOTE]

sometimes they're given to save the victim from reliving the ordeal all over again and having to testify against the defendant

it would probably be pretty traumatic in cases such as this one to have to testify and explain what happened in front of strangers

[GarrettFox]

[QUOTE=cccritical;29678124]federal court came to the same conclusion though, I can't figure out why nobody (except for Florence) has been up in arms about disbanding the US or giving it back to England/France/Russia/Hawaiian royalty/Mexico yet

oh, because it's easier to put all the blame on people you don't like :downs:[/QUOTE]

I don't give a shit that she was dropped from the team. I care that the fucking rapist was allowed back onto the team at all, much less the same school, much less is out of prison at all before she has finished her high school career.

First amendment rights only prevent you from being oppressed by the government. Seeing as that is what the supreme court covers, I am not surprised that they were turned down.

He pleaded down. He was still convicted. The school knows damn well what he did. How does being on probation NOT preclude him from sporting activities? Fucking ridiculous.

So no, my problem isn't with the decision of the Federal courts. It is still with Texas and its unbelievably shitty school system.

[edja007]

[QUOTE=GunFox;29678223]I don't give a shit that she was dropped from the team. I care that the fucking rapist was allowed back onto the team at all, much less the same school, much less is out of prison at all before she has finished her high school career.

First amendment rights only prevent you from being oppressed by the government. Seeing as that is what the supreme court covers, I am not surprised that they were turned down.

He pleaded down. He was still convicted. The school knows damn well what he did. How does being on probation NOT preclude him from sporting activities? Fucking ridiculous.

So no, my problem isn't with the decision of the Federal courts. It is still with Texas and its unbelievably shitty school system.[/QUOTE]
There was no clear proof she was raped. It was a party, she's a cheerleader. Chances are it was her fault.

[fancy ghost ☂]

even though that is technically up to the school and it's legal for them to do I agree that it's bullshit and I think rape is rape and it shouldn't matter what class a court decides it is

but shouldn't that reflect on the highschool and not, you know, the entire state? I mean you don't represent all of facepunch just because you're a moderator, do you?

[GarrettFox]

[QUOTE=edja007;29678281]There was no clear proof she was raped. It was a party, she's a cheerleader. Chances are it was her fault.[/QUOTE]

Did you just seriously blame a rape victim for being raped?

I would break your arm in person.

And then I would blame you for having such flimsy arms.

[Broseph_]

[QUOTE=Swilly;29676688]Because it was first rejected in Texas Courts :colbert:[/QUOTE]

Apparently it was rejected on good reason since the Federal Courts refused to take it ether

[GarrettFox]

[QUOTE=cccritical;29678297]even though that is technically up to the school and it's legal for them to do I agree that it's bullshit and I think rape is rape and it shouldn't matter what class a court decides it is

but shouldn't that reflect on the highschool and not, you know, the entire state? I mean you don't represent all of facepunch just because you're a moderator, do you?[/QUOTE]

Look through the news section. Texas has been doing stupid shit for the past year.

[edja007]

[QUOTE=GunFox;29678335]Did you just seriously blame a rape victim for being raped?

I would break your arm in person.

And then I would blame you for having such flimsy arms.[/QUOTE]
Saying "lets go upstairs" while batshit drunk isn't exactly rape

[Xenocidebot]

[QUOTE=edja007;29678281]There was no clear proof she was raped. It was a party, she's a cheerleader. Chances are it was her fault.[/QUOTE]
You could have made it clear from the start you're either misogynistic, retarded, or both, it would have saved a lot of time bothering to speak to you like a human.

[Zeke129]

[QUOTE=Broseph_;29675926]Good boy? But he's black?

What happen to Texas supposedly being a racist shithole?[/QUOTE]

So your defense of Texas is "it wasn't being racist this time it was only being misogynistic"?

Is this like the Steam chat where you basically told me that religion truly doesn't have much sway in Texas politics because it has even more in Italy?

[fancy ghost ☂]

[QUOTE=GunFox;29678363]Look through the news section. Texas has been doing stupid shit for the past year.[/QUOTE]

SOME people in california have been doing stupid shit for a long time too

SOME parts of America's government have done a whole awful lot of stupid shit for a long, long time

SOME people in Texas have been doing stupid shit, same as SOME people in literally any other state or country