• Father raped lesbian teenage daughter to 'show her’ sex with men is better
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What the fuck dude Its your own goddamn daughter,how could you do this?
[quote]The father, 54, brutally attacked the 16-year-old girl after she confided in him that she was “struggling with her identity”, The Mirror reports.[/quote] Could you imagine struggling and being unsure of yourself and then finally getting the strength to tell your own father "I'm really confused" and then he fucking rapes you? :vomit:
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51914898]A captive bolt gun is about 400 dollars[/QUOTE] I sure wish I would be put down like a fucking pig by the state, which I can't even trust to mail me a fucking polling card on time!
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;51915165]I don't know anything about Aussie prisons, but I still expect this guy to die within the next 2 years unless he's under constant supervision.[/QUOTE] Deaths in Australian prisons are pretty uncommon.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;51915165]I don't know anything about Aussie prisons, but I still expect this guy to die within the next 2 years unless he's under constant supervision.[/QUOTE] Sounds like this occurred in the UK, not Australia. So it sounds like he's pretty fucked.
[QUOTE=TheCronkofDestiny;51915396]i'd ask why he thought he could make [I]rape[/I] enjoyable so as to "show her" anything, but then i remembered he's probably too fucked up to think reasonably at all, and after that considered that him saying that might actually just be the world's most piss-poor attempt at an excuse/justification[/QUOTE] Even worse. He wanted to prove to her it was more enjoyable, but then [quote]“That rape involved degradation and humiliation. The offence demonstrated your hostility towards her as a lesbian.”[/quote]
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51915539]I think the most annoying part of talking to anti-death penalty, anti-vengeance people, and I'm saying this as someone who hates the death penalty, is just the smug holier than thou attitude you always get. "You think someone who rapes kids deserves to die? Clearly you're a fucking ~brutal savage~, and probably a psychopath yourself! Unlike me, I'm so much better and civilized than you :downs: " You're not really selling the cause, dude.[/QUOTE] to be fair a statement like "a captive bolt gun is $400" is kind of a brutal and ignorant thing to say in response to the expenses of the death penalty, it implies a complete disregard for due process and if someone is a bad person we should "just kill them" like it's that simple
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51915539]I think the most annoying part of talking to anti-death penalty, anti-vengeance people, and I'm saying this as someone who hates the death penalty, is just the smug holier than thou attitude you always get. "You think someone who rapes kids deserves to die? Clearly you're a fucking ~brutal savage~, and probably a psychopath yourself! Unlike me, I'm so much better and civilized than you :downs: " You're not really selling the cause, dude.[/QUOTE] dude he was replying to someone saying "the state doesn't have to do it" like, literally that means "some random vigilante should just go murder this guy in cold blood" that's what he was replying to. not even related to the death penalty.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;51914911]And the legal fees for going through due process like a civilised society not run by anarchists are 1000x that.[/QUOTE] And that's really the problem. If someone is clearly guilty via evidence which has been verified independently 2 or 3 times, then why does an extremely long and drawn out process with a million different appeals that pointlessly delay the inevitable need to exist? Sure, if there's just circumstantial evidence, then the death penalty shouldn't even be on the table. But if you have video evidence, or DNA, or other tangible evidence which can objectively prove beyond a reasonable doubt guilt, then there's no need for the extremely long and drawn out death penalty process.
[QUOTE=elowin;51916769] "some random vigilante should just go murder this guy in cold blood" [/QUOTE] Most vigilantes do not do what they do in cold blood, actually. Quite the opposite. [QUOTE=DaMastez;51916785]And that's really the problem. If someone is clearly guilty via evidence which has been verified independently 2 or 3 times, then why does an extremely long and drawn out process with a million different appeals that pointlessly delay the inevitable need to exist? Sure, if there's just circumstantial evidence, then the death penalty shouldn't even be on the table. But if you have video evidence, or DNA, or other tangible evidence which can objectively prove beyond a reasonable doubt guilt, then there's no need for the extremely long and drawn out death penalty process.[/QUOTE] That's the problem about arguing with anti death-penalty people. Their brain shuts off and they scream "but what about innocent people" ect. Not everyone has to be executed. A person who is sick can be helped, but a person who does heinous crimes without any repentance and his guilt is proven 100% without a shadow of a doubt could be easily executed without anyone missing a second of sleep.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;51916653]to be fair a statement like "a captive bolt gun is $400" is kind of a brutal and ignorant thing to say in response to the expenses of the death penalty, it implies a complete disregard for due process and if someone is a bad person we should "just kill them" like it's that simple[/QUOTE] Counterpoint, what you said is an actual response. The kind where you talk to me like I'm a human being. Where as this; [QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51915516]Ah yes I too have brutal revenge fantasies of executing someone in cold blood in a warped sense of "justice". Because real life is just like Judge Dredd or whatever. :downs:[/QUOTE] is more like a smug, holier than thou put-down. And that does the exact opposite of turning people off to the death penalty or vigilante justice. Yet I see the same kind of thing used more frequently than anything else on here when death penalty, or vigilante justice, is brought up. Doesn't help anything. Sometimes, just directly saying "What you just said is very morally and ethically wrong." is actually a stronger response than trying to shut them up with a zinger or a put-down or acting like they're a crazy person. [QUOTE=elowin;51916769]dude he was replying to someone saying "the state doesn't have to do it" like, literally that means "some random vigilante should just go murder this guy in cold blood" that's what he was replying to. not even related to the death penalty.[/QUOTE] What you don't seem to get, from the way you phrase it, is that it's not shocking or outlandish. Not to them, to me, or a lot of people. You can't just describe what they said as though it's ridiculous enough that highlighting what the idea inherently [I]is[/I] instantly nullifies it somehow. Yes, that does mean "some random vigilante should just go murder this guy in cold blood." That is literally what they said. It's like, if they just went "All oatmeal should be trashed", and then you went "Dude, he literally just said 'Oatmeal is disgusting'." Like, I know that's what they said. That's not a counter-argument. And what I'm saying, is, if you want there to be less people who believe in vigilante justice, you have to actually confront the idea and not just resort to smug put-downs and shaming.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;51916785]And that's really the problem. If someone is clearly guilty via evidence which has been verified independently 2 or 3 times, then why does an extremely long and drawn out process with a million different appeals that pointlessly delay the inevitable need to exist? Sure, if there's just circumstantial evidence, then the death penalty shouldn't even be on the table. But if you have video evidence, or DNA, or other tangible evidence which can objectively prove beyond a reasonable doubt guilt, then there's no need for the extremely long and drawn out death penalty process.[/QUOTE] Because appeals. Everyone gets them, and we can't just pick and choose who does and doesn't.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51915539]I think the most annoying part of talking to anti-death penalty, anti-vengeance people, and I'm saying this as someone who hates the death penalty, is just the smug holier than thou attitude you always get. "You think someone who rapes kids deserves to die? Clearly you're a fucking ~brutal savage~, and probably a psychopath yourself! Unlike me, I'm so much better and civilized than you :downs: " You're not really selling the cause, dude.[/QUOTE] Mate there's a huge difference between saying someone may deserve to die for their crimes as mandated by a fair judicial process and him literally saying he's more than willing to kill the man in cold blood with a cheap-o captive bolt gun. One is an, imo, backwards law, the other is someone confessing their desire to kill people. You want to know the psychology behind murder? You justify it in your own head as an act good for society and/or your self. "Oh they're a criminal it's okay, oh they fucked my wife in my own bed, they did [I] something[/I] that makes them bad and me good." Regardless of how you justify the execution it's still murder, state sanctioned or not and it shouldn't be something that someone is lining up all eager and willing to do. And I'm not even arguing for/against the death penalty here, literally only his post so thanks for lumping me into the "fanatic anti-death penalty crew" from atop your morally neutral and 100% "vulcan logic" high horse when you your self are sitting here speaking above me like I apparently have done. I wasn't trying to "sell a cause" I don't care about teaching him why he's wrong. I'm not here to avoid the topic of what he's saying to address the topic adjacent to what he's saying. Obviously people kill and don't care about rationalisation, we call those people psychopaths, but that's an entirely different concept.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51914898]A captive bolt gun is about 400 dollars[/QUOTE] yeah and rounding up a mob + a tree + a rope is free but we don't do that anymore because its not the fucking middle ages dude
Yeah this cunt can get fucked in jail as he deserves.
Is this story revolting? Without a fucking doubt Does he deserve to die? Yes, in my opinion. Should the state kill him? Absolutely not because [B]the state has proven time and time again that it cannot be trusted to not end innocent people's lives.[/B] This is what pro-deathers don't get about being anti-death penalty: it's not that we don't believe certain people deserve death, it's that we believe the state has no right to murder someone because it's imperfect, and matters of life or death are binary, 1/0 things. You don't get to 'oops' it. Even if the state gets its convictions right 999/1000 times, 1 innocent person murdered by the government is too fucking many. Also, I hate when people relish at the extra-judicial punishment that sex offenders often receive in prison. The fact that these things happen in our correctional facilities is a fucking disgrace. None of this is 'lel holier than thouuu' shit, (because again, I personally think the cunt deserves to die) it's just remaining ideologically consistent. If this cunt is found guilty (he clearly will be), then lock him up and keep him away from society, whilst affording him the due process of the law. Difficult concept to grasp or nah?
[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51919561]Is this story revolting? Without a fucking doubt Does he deserve to die? Yes, in my opinion. Should the state kill him? Absolutely not because [B]the state has proven time and time again that it cannot be trusted to not end innocent people's lives.[/B] This is what pro-deathers don't get about being anti-death penalty: it's not that we don't believe certain people deserve death, it's that we believe the state has no right to murder someone because it's imperfect, and matters of life or death are binary, 1/0 things. You don't get to 'oops' it. Even if the state gets its convictions right 999/1000 times, 1 innocent person murdered by the government is too fucking many. Also, I hate when people relish at the extra-judicial punishment that sex offenders often receive in prison. The fact that these things happen in our correctional facilities is a fucking disgrace. None of this is 'lel holier than thouuu' shit, (because again, I personally think the cunt deserves to die) it's just remaining ideologically consistent. If this cunt is found guilty (he clearly will be), then lock him up and keep him away from society, whilst affording him the due process of the law. Difficult concept to grasp or nah?[/QUOTE] Yeah. There have been too many cases of innocent people going to the block for me to trust the government to not do it again, especially when you take into consideration the flawed nature of the court system here in the US. That being said, I don't believe this man is worth the air he breathes, much less the $30,000-$50,000 per-year that his feeding, clothing and sheltering will cost the public every year. However, until we can establish an absolutely flawless system of establishing guilt, it's better to just keep him away from society where he can do no more harm.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51919854]Yeah. There have been too many cases of innocent people going to the block for me to trust the government to not do it again, especially when you take into consideration the flawed nature of the court system here in the US. That being said, I don't believe this man is worth the air he breathes, much less the $30,000-$50,000 per-year that his feeding, clothing and sheltering will cost the public every year. However, until we can establish an absolutely flawless system of establishing guilt, it's better to just keep him away from society where he can do no more harm.[/QUOTE] Couldn't agree more.
[QUOTE=helifreak;51914890]What you don't realise is that the death penalty costs a lot more than life imprisonment.[/QUOTE] Stop the lethal injections let's go back to the basics. *brings in an axe* [editline]5th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=HappyCompy;51919561]Is this story revolting? Without a fucking doubt Does he deserve to die? Yes, in my opinion. Should the state kill him? Absolutely not because [B]the state has proven time and time again that it cannot be trusted to not end innocent people's lives.[/B] This is what pro-deathers don't get about being anti-death penalty: it's not that we don't believe certain people deserve death, it's that we believe the state has no right to murder someone because it's imperfect, and matters of life or death are binary, 1/0 things. You don't get to 'oops' it. Even if the state gets its convictions right 999/1000 times, 1 innocent person murdered by the government is too fucking many. Also, I hate when people relish at the extra-judicial punishment that sex offenders often receive in prison. The fact that these things happen in our correctional facilities is a fucking disgrace. None of this is 'lel holier than thouuu' shit, (because again, I personally think the cunt deserves to die) it's just remaining ideologically consistent. If this cunt is found guilty (he clearly will be), then lock him up and keep him away from society, whilst affording him the due process of the law. Difficult concept to grasp or nah?[/QUOTE] I agree him suffering in prison is a better alternative to the death penalty if they kill him in get's off to easy.
Man articles like this is why I stopped coming to this section for awhile. How fucking vile.
How can you hate your own child this much, fuck sake...
If there's something as bad, if not worse, than rape, it's "corrective" rape. This completely goddamn insane path of logic that some how comes to the conclusion that a relationship with a member of the same sex is about sex in any major capacity. Forcing somebody to have sex in the "correct way and with correct gender" somehow "fixes" their sexuality in their minds. While in reality, it tends to usually be FAR from a solution. It's an insult to even call "corrective rape" a solution to anything. I would like to know of this complete mongoloid had any justification beyond "homosexuality is bad". If you can't answer with a "because" and resort to religion or similarly flimsy reasoning, you are a stubborn relic of a bygone era.
This type of behavior is sickening, primitive and goes against the advancement of human development. Why anyone would think this kind of action is relevant to anything is disturbing and I hope someday we can prevent this type of stuff from ever beginning. Really unsettling reading these kind of stories and knowing it is real people in real situations.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51920327]If there's something as bad, if not worse, than rape, it's "corrective" rape. This completely goddamn insane path of logic that some how comes to the conclusion that a relationship with a member of the same sex is about sex in any major capacity. Forcing somebody to have sex in the "correct way and with correct gender" somehow "fixes" their sexuality in their minds. While in reality, it tends to usually be FAR from a solution. It's an insult to even call "corrective rape" a solution to anything. I would like to know of this complete mongoloid had any justification beyond "homosexuality is bad". If you can't answer with a "because" and resort to religion or similarly flimsy reasoning, you are a stubborn relic of a bygone era.[/QUOTE] While not nearly as horrendous as this, I had a similar problem when I was small. Both my sister and I are left-handed, but the stigma attached to left-handedness was so bad that when I was in school, my teachers would repeatedly hit me if they caught me trying to write, handle food or draw with my left hand. I was left confused and really upset about it. At one point, they literally taped the pen to my right hand to force me to write with my right hand. That ended really quickly when my mom saw the bruises and told them to leave me the fuck alone and let me write with whatever hand I thought it felt "right" with. The teachers gave her some shit about how being left handed just wasn't "okay". Mom got her fired. Some people can be very fucked up about their attitude to correct things they don't perceive as "right". It's the reason we have "pray the gay away" camps, which is just as horrifying on many, many levels. There are far too many people out there who are hypocritical when it comes their progressiveness and tolerance.
[QUOTE=snookypookums;51920378]While not nearly as horrendous as this, I had a similar problem when I was small. Both my sister and I are left-handed, but the stigma attached to left-handedness was so bad that when I was in school, my teachers would repeatedly hit me if they caught me trying to write, handle food or draw with my left hand. I was left confused and really upset about it. At one point, they literally taped the pen to my right hand to force me to write with my right hand. That ended really quickly when my mom saw the bruises and told them to leave me the fuck alone and let me write with whatever hand I thought it felt "right" with. The teachers gave her some shit about how being left handed just wasn't "okay". Mom got her fired. Some people can be very fucked up about their attitude to correct things they don't perceive as "right". It's the reason we have "pray the gay away" camps, which is just as horrifying on many, many levels. There are far too many people out there who are hypocritical when it comes their progressiveness and tolerance.[/QUOTE] I thought complaining about homosexuality is dumb and petty but holy fucking shit, what the hell?
[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;51920442]I thought complaining about homosexuality is dumb and petty but holy fucking shit, what the hell?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/how-left-handed-people-in-india-are-fighting-prejudices-pushing-for-recognition/articleshow/39959997.cms"]It's pretty well documented, too.[/URL] This "forced correction" is not new to India as well. [URL="http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/gay-man-raped-by-mother-lesbians-by-cousins-in-a-bid-to-cure-homosexuality/1/441684.html"]On topic, here are some other horrific cases of gay men being raped by their mothers in India to "cure" them. [/URL]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51914898]A captive bolt gun is about 400 dollars[/QUOTE] Dude what the fuck?!?!?! [sp]A hammer is like 12 dollars[/sp]
[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;51920583]Dude what the fuck?!?!?! [sp]A hammer is like 12 dollars[/sp][/QUOTE] Shitposting is free. For everything else there's MasterCard.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;51916864]Because appeals. Everyone gets them, and we can't just pick and choose who does and doesn't.[/QUOTE] Why even have the appeals in the first place at all?
[QUOTE=Nerfmaster000;51920682]Why even have the appeals in the first place at all?[/QUOTE] because if a prisoner feels they're being mistreated, or have a sentence too severe, or whatever, it's their right to express that to a court so they can look into it and see if they're right. to just ignore them would violate human rights and undoubtedly make our prison system even worse than it already is.
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