• Man Arrested for Having Back Turned on Hillary Clinton
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[QUOTE=s0beit;28180094]Don't taze me bro[/QUOTE] Coincidentally, the guy who gave us that quote went to the Kerry speech [I]expecting[/I] to make a scene, he was supposedly "quite excited" and talkative while in the squad car.
And you guys say the British government is bad :v:
All he did was turn his back? Jesus Christ. I've seen people arrested for some ridiculous things, but this is just fucking crazy.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;28188191]Coincidentally, the guy who gave us that quote went to the Kerry speech [I]expecting[/I] to make a scene, he was supposedly "quite excited" and talkative while in the squad car.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry i just don't really understand why politicians are so special in this context. If somebody starts arguing with me i don't have security forces arrest and detain them. I mean we aren't talking about assassins here we're talking about people who don't have access to these politicians otherwise. Eject them from the property sure, beat, arrest and imprison them? Stupid.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28181092]the people who get this close to high-up politicians are probably briefed on conduct or at least given some ground rules. What with how careful the secret service is about assassination risks I doubt quickly standing up a short distance away from the secretary of state is considered kosher[/QUOTE] In case anyone didn't read this on the first page. This seems to be the most likely situation, Secret Service can't really take chances when someone (seemingly randomly) stands up and turns around in the middle of a speech by the Secretary of State. [editline]21st February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=s0beit;28188373]I'm sorry i just don't really understand why politicians are so special in this context. If somebody starts arguing with me i don't have security forces arrest and detain them. I mean we aren't talking about assassins here we're talking about people who don't have access to these politicians otherwise. Eject them from the property sure, beat, arrest and imprison them? Stupid.[/QUOTE] If you watch that video he was resisting quite a bit, once a policeman starts detaining someone they can't just stop and let them go once they start resisting. Besides it was implied by the person himself that he was there to make a scene anyway, so letting him go wouldn't have done anything (talking about the "Don't Taze me Bro" guy) Also, I'd imagine it's quite easy to bruise a 71 year old, they're not exactly as resistant to subdermal hemorrhaging as young people are. My grandfather is 80, built like an ox, but he still gets bruises far more easily then I do. All it'd take is him squirming with Secret Service hands tightly on his arms.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;28188380] If you watch that video he was resisting quite a bit, once a policeman starts detaining someone they can't just stop and let them go once they start resisting. Besides it was implied by the person himself that he was there to make a scene anyway, so letting him go wouldn't have done anything (talking about the "Don't Taze me Bro" guy) Also, I'd imagine it's quite easy to bruise a 71 year old, they're not exactly as resistant to subdermal hemorrhaging as young people are. My grandfather is 80, built like an ox, but he still gets bruises far more easily then I do. All it'd take is him squirming with Secret Service hands tightly on his arms.[/QUOTE] Ok but why are they detaining them in the first place? The owner has every right to eject a person off their property but i don't understand at all why the police need to get involved unless they refuse to leave the property. I don't enjoy politicians being treated in a special fashion just because somebody made them look bad in public. If a violent crime happens, or somebody attempts a violent crime then by all means, but this isn't free speech at all.
He's standing 10 feet away from Hillary Clinton, a high profile politician, like facing away from the nearest security. They don't know that he isn't detonating some sort of bomb, so they have to get him out of there as fast as possible.
[QUOTE=Darkebrz;28190062]He's standing 10 feet away from Hillary Clinton, a high profile politician, like facing away from the nearest security. They don't know that he isn't detonating some sort of bomb, so they have to get him out of there as fast as possible.[/QUOTE] Better detain and beat him senseless afterward just to be sure.
And this is a good example of why I don't consider the USA to be a democracy.
[QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;28190101]Better detain and beat him senseless afterward just to be sure.[/QUOTE] They didn't beat him senseless, the pictures I've seen show the bruises are localized to the arms, which can very easily be explainable by the fact he's a [I]71 year old man being gripped on the arms by strong Secret Service Agents. [/I]Try taking a senior and squeezing/yanking (to simulate him struggling while being held) him, and you'll see how easily they bruise.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;28191966]They didn't beat him senseless, the pictures I've seen show the bruises are localized to the arms, which can very easily be explainable by the fact he's a [I]71 year old man being gripped on the arms by strong Secret Service Agents. [/I]Try taking a senior and squeezing/yanking (to simulate him struggling while being held) him, and you'll see how easily they bruise.[/QUOTE] Doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't have happened in the first place. Plus, this guy isn't some ailing old man, and there is a big difference there.
[QUOTE=Darkebrz;28190062]He's standing 10 feet away from Hillary Clinton, a high profile politician, like facing away from the nearest security. They don't know that he isn't detonating some sort of bomb, so they have to get him out of there as fast as possible.[/QUOTE] your on the internet with acces to do millions of illegal activities, better arrest you and beat you and confiscate your computer just incase [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;28191966]They didn't beat him senseless, the pictures I've seen show the bruises are localized to the arms, which can very easily be explainable by the fact he's a [I]71 year old man being gripped on the arms by strong Secret Service Agents. [/I]Try taking a senior and squeezing/yanking (to simulate him struggling while being held) him, and you'll see how easily they bruise.[/QUOTE] You seem to be knowledgable in this.
Just turning your back will get you arrested like that? I wonder how much the security are going to cringe if someone merely crosses their arms in disagreement at a certain point in another speech.
[QUOTE=Darkebrz;28190062]He's standing 10 feet away from Hillary Clinton, a high profile politician, like facing away from the nearest security. They don't know that he isn't detonating some sort of bomb, so they have to get him out of there as fast as possible.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing he was told to turn around but didn't. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;28190101]Better detain and beat him senseless afterward just to be sure.[/QUOTE] Nobody but the guy himself is saying that. Not exactly the most unbiased source.
[QUOTE=Niteshifter;28204881]Just turning your back will get you arrested like that? I wonder how much the security are going to cringe if someone merely crosses their arms in disagreement at a certain point in another speech.[/QUOTE] You're saying crossing your arms is more alarming than standing up and facing away from the person speaking? [I]weird[/I]
Not really surprised, though I wish America would stop pretending that they're not a dictatorship, its just stupid now.
"Home of the free"
Fuck you America, stop giving me more reasons to leave. :argh:
As much as I'd like to form an opinion on this, I'd rather see the video of him standing up and turning away. While I'll agree that having your back to a politician in silent protest is nothing to be tackled over, the fashion in which he did it could have warranted concern.
[QUOTE=cathal6606;28219413]Not really surprised, though I wish America would stop pretending that they're not a dictatorship, its just stupid now.[/QUOTE] A guy made a threatening motion, didn't turn around when he was asked to, and was arrested for disorderly conduct. Not a dictatorship by any means.
[QUOTE]Blind-sided by security officers who pounced upon him, McGovern remarked, as he was hauled out the door, "So this is America?" [/QUOTE] Every time I read that, I think of this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCKtfdVqK7c[/media] Seriously though, this is pretty chilling. Hillary's only response to the scene unfolding in front of her is a nervous smile as she continues. A [I]room full of news reporters[/I] fails to call her or the security guards out on this considering the nature of the speech. The only consolation I have that any of these guys aren't goddamn robots is that the CNN cameraman had the sense of mind to turn the camera to the vet as he was being hauled away. I would have thought that at least one of the news corps would be reveling in the irony of this shit and spend the week making Washington [I]miserable,[/I] but no. Hell, :foxnews: hates democrats, they could spin the fuck out of this. [url]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2011/02/15/clinton.freedom.protester.cnn.html[/url] [quote]During a speech about internet freedom, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is interrupted by a heckler.[/quote] Straight from the source. WELP I GUESS ITS NO BIG DEAL AFTER ALL JUST A HECKLER I can't believe this story is toiling in obscurity. The only websites I could find even reporting this are the embarrassing "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" type websites like infowars. I didn't even believe it was real until I saw it on CNN's own website. It's the job of reporters to draw attention to shit like this, and all they do is downplay a political reporting GOLDMINE into something somehow insignificant. [I]Interrupted by a heckler.[/I] What.
[QUOTE=MrShooter;28223000]Every time I read that, I think of this: Seriously though, this is pretty chilling. Hillary's only response to the scene unfolding in front of her is a nervous smile as she continues. A [I]room full of news reporters[/I] fails to call her or the security guards out on this considering the nature of the speech.[/QUOTE] Reminder that no one knows what's going on as this is happening. They don't have the 20/20 of hindsight, and it's already been established that the situaion was more complicated than "he peacefully turns his back on her". [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MrShooter;28223000][I]Interrupted by a heckler.[/I] What.[/QUOTE] maybe because she was actually interrupted by a heckler? I'm aware as anyone of how terrible the American news media is, but they didn't really do anything wrong here. A man broke protocol and was detained because that is what happens when you act suspicious a short distance away from a high-level politician.
On another note, generally in any public speaking engagement, the best course of action is to ignore things that are happening in the audience.
Turning your back to a public figure in an obvious attempt to disrespect and disagree with them is not a“threatening motion”. And he wasn’t told to turn around, just because you assumed so earlier doesn’t automatically make it a fact in your next post. [QUOTE=Prismatex;28221126] Not a dictatorship by any means.[/QUOTE] Obviously.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;28221126]A guy made a threatening motion, didn't turn around when he was asked to, and was arrested for disorderly conduct. Not a dictatorship by any means.[/QUOTE] this is a joke right? "hey you, look in this direction" "no" "let's get him boys he didn't follow direct orders" see how stupid this sounds, thats how stupid your post sounds. and what part of him turning away is threatening? threatening to hilary's feelings? [editline]23rd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28223216]Reminder that no one knows what's going on as this is happening. They don't have the 20/20 of hindsight, and it's already been established that the situaion was more complicated than "he peacefully turns his back on her". [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] maybe because she was actually interrupted by a heckler? I'm aware as anyone of how terrible the American news media is, but they didn't really do anything wrong here. A man broke protocol and was detained because that is what happens when you act suspicious a short distance away from a high-level politician.[/QUOTE] why do americans claim to live in a free country, then try to justify why people aren't allowed to do things? "a man broke protocol" why is there a protocol in a "free country"? the only thing protocol should include is "don't hurt or kill anyone"
[QUOTE=]"a man broke protocol" why is there a protocol in a "free country"? the only thing [B]protocol should include is "don't hurt or kill anyone"[/B][/QUOTE] ~Not truly free at all than~
America is less free than people think, and has been since the Wild West era really You can't do this in front of politicians, really anywhere... but in America it's ridiculous. Our politicians think they're kings. They fly on their private jets on our dime, and with secret service/security the instant somebody looks suspicious you're marked, and the instant you take an action out of the norm (Stand up in the middle of a room 10 feet from a politician) they take you down. Just don't have anything shiny in your hand when you stand
Yeah, [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html]there's a reason for that[/url].
How could they do such a thing.
Whats wrong with 90% of the people in this thread? Completely silent, cramped room, high profile politician making a speech in the front, random guy jumps up and turns around quickly, with no prior warning nor reason directly infront of said high profile politician in a room full of security guards. OMG AMERIKA IS NO LONGAR FREE ZOEMGFS HILARY CLINTON MORE LIKE SATAN CLINTON OOOO
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