The Age of America is coming to an end - Polidicks

[QUOTE=dragonkilla;29459494]Good thing I moving to Canada in 2 years :buddy:[/QUOTE] I don't understand these posts at all. Even IF China does surpass the US economically, the US will still have a GDP that is 10x that of Canada's.

[QUOTE=Pantz76;29489514]I don't understand these posts at all. Even IF China does surpass the US economically, the US will still have a GDP that is 10x that of Canada's.[/QUOTE] Canada has (IIRC, correct me if I'm wrong) a great deal more wealth equality than the United States, in combination with a social democratic government, so the average citizen is better off. [editline]29th April 2011[/editline] Canada's GDP per capita is only a few thousand under America's, so it's alright.

[QUOTE=Rygar69;29489019]At least we got nukes. :v:[/QUOTE] You don't have any nukes, so don't say we. They have the nukes. Enough of this stupid "durr, i live in the first world, i'm totally safe" attitude

[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29490128]You don't have any nukes, so don't say we. They have the nukes. Enough of this stupid "durr, i live in the first world, i'm totally safe" attitude[/QUOTE] How are most first-worlders not pretty much safe?

We will claim our power back the next war involving multiple countries, Look at when we gained our power. WW1 and WW2. There hasn't been a major war involving multiple countries in a while or the entire world. When that happens i'm pretty sure we will make a comeback. We are a war-like country there's no doubting it. You guy's bitch about our military spending but at the same time when your freedom is at risk we will fight to save it.

[QUOTE=Tac Error;29475146][img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Kirov-class_battlecruiser.jpg/800px-Kirov-class_battlecruiser.jpg[/img_thumb] You can't even get your ships right!?[/QUOTE] lol Sorry I got confused. I anyway I think that ballistic missile battleships are more useful then aircraft carriers.

[QUOTE=yaik9a;29491188]lol Sorry I got confused. I anyway I think that ballistic missile battleships are more useful then aircraft carriers.[/QUOTE] The Kirov: - Is not a battleship. - Does not launch ballistic missiles. If you can't understand Soviet military doctrine or thinking, then please at least know the equipment as an enthusiast.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;29487990] The orc didn't say "the time of America is over" in the actual film, you silly person.[/QUOTE] I've seen the film, I know. [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] Why are you people talking about Soviet ships?

It's happening :tinfoil:

[QUOTE=yaik9a;29491188]lol Sorry I got confused. I anyway I think that ballistic missile battleships are more useful then aircraft carriers.[/QUOTE] I'm going to assume you mean ballistic missile submarines there. It depends on the strategic doctrine of the country, and its objectives. If you are a country which doesn't really engage in conflicts on a global scale, and the only possibility of war is with other major/super powers, then ballistic missile submarines make sense. The state would also need to have ample resources, and thus no need for current ideas of energy security. On the other hand, if the state requires a great deal of force projection (such as a resource-lacking superpower in a unipolar world) in order to secure resources, and spread its ideology abroad, then aircraft carriers make more sense.

[QUOTE=Jimpy;29482555]I disagree. We never had a age. The Cold War was by no means the age of America.[/QUOTE] Americas had had several "best of" ages. Education ended in the 60s. Economics, Manufacturing and Industry ended in the 80s, which is the one that actually mattered. Tech and Scientific dominance started to slip in the late 90s, and cultural/zeitgeist export has been on its way out for about half a decade now. The oil standard being transferred from the dollar to rhenmibi is pretty much the final nail on the coffin.

I look forward to the day this happens.

The Chinese will become half clone of American economy. The moment their worker wages start to raise drastically, expect companies to look else where. I expect the made in china label will become made in "place holder".

[QUOTE=Aide;29495110]The Chinese will become half clone of American economy. The moment their worker wages start to raise drastically, expect companies to look else where. I expect the made in china label will become made in "place holder".[/QUOTE] Made in some back water part of Africa

[QUOTE=Tac Error;29492555]The Kirov: - Is not a battleship. - Does not launch ballistic missiles. If you can't understand Soviet military doctrine or thinking, then please at least know the equipment as an enthusiast.[/QUOTE] Kirov is a battle Cruiser which is pretty much the same thing except faster and the ship is armed with missiles such as anti ship P700 missiles or other types of cruise missile for all intents and purposes it's main weapons are ballistic missiles. [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Contag;29493157]I'm going to assume you mean ballistic missile submarines there. It depends on the strategic doctrine of the country, and its objectives. If you are a country which doesn't really engage in conflicts on a global scale, and the only possibility of war is with other major/super powers, then ballistic missile submarines make sense. The state would also need to have ample resources, and thus no need for current ideas of energy security. On the other hand, if the state requires a great deal of force projection (such as a resource-lacking superpower in a unipolar world) in order to secure resources, and spread its ideology abroad, then aircraft carriers make more sense.[/QUOTE] Attacking with cruise missiles is just as good as attacking with fighters.

[QUOTE=yaik9a;29496320]Kirov is a battle Cruiser which is pretty much the same thing except faster[/QUOTE] Nope, that's wrong. You know what the Soviet Navy classified the Kirov class as? A TARKR - "Heavy Nuclear-powered Missile Cruiser". [quote]and the ship is armed with missiles such as anti ship P700 missiles or other types of cruise missile for all intents and purposes it's main weapons are ballistic missiles.[/quote]Nope. [IMG]http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/512/ballisticmissiletraject.jpg[/IMG] Since you seem to lack an understanding of things like the difference between a anti-ship missile and a ballistic missile, try again when you've loosened the "USSR über alles" attitude fire and foremost. This will be my last post on naval issues. You can go ramble all you like on PMs if you want.

[QUOTE=27X;29494977]Americas had had several "best of" ages. Education ended in the 60s. Economics, Manufacturing and Industry ended in the 80s, which is the one that actually mattered. Tech and Scientific dominance started to slip in the late 90s, and cultural/zeitgeist export has been on its way out for about half a decade now. The oil standard being transferred from the dollar to rhenmibi is pretty much the final nail on the coffin.[/QUOTE] When was it transfered? [editline]29th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=yaik9a;29496320] Attacking with cruise missiles is just as good as attacking with fighters.[/QUOTE] :v: Quick call the Department of Defense, it appears that ballistic missiles have no tactical or strategic use, and should be supplanted by fighters.

[QUOTE=Tac Error;29496542]Nope, that's wrong. You know what the Soviet Navy classified the Kirov class as? A TARKR - "Heavy Nuclear-powered Missile Cruiser". Nope. [img_thumb]http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/512/ballisticmissiletraject.jpg[/img_thumb] Since you seem to lack an understanding of things like the difference between a anti-ship missile and a ballistic missile, try again when you've loosened the "USSR über alles" attitude fire and foremost. This will be my last post on naval issues. You can go ramble all you like on PMs if you want.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirov_class_battlecruiser[/url] Also RPK-2 Viyuga is not a anti ship missile its a cruise missile. [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] RPK-2 Viyuga is not a anti ship missile its a cruise missile.

I actually thought this article was about the elderly, as in the old and prejudiced America, coming to an end, which is good for the future.

[QUOTE=yaik9a;29496906] RPK-2 Viyuga is not a anti ship missile its a cruise missile.[/QUOTE] [quote]The SS-N-15 (Starfish) is a Russian 533 mm calibre anti-ship missile capable of being fitted with a 10-20 kT warhead or a Type 40 torpedo, and has a range of 37-45 kilometers. The SS-N-15 Starfish ASW has a range of 45-50 kilometers. This non strategic weapon was deployed in 1973. It uses the 82R torpedo or 90R nuclear depth charge missile.[/quote] [url]http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/ss-n-15.htm[/url] [editline]29th April 2011[/editline] I'll let Tac Error handle the other one because he actually knows his stuff (unlike me :v:) [editline]29th April 2011[/editline] Here is a wiki reference: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/81R[/url] [quote]The 81R (RPK-2 Vyuga, SS-N-15 NATO codename Starfish), was an antiship and anti-submarine ballistic missile used by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. It had a short range and was unguided, but was loaded with an active nuclear warhead.[/quote]

[QUOTE=seano12;29447811][URL]http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/age-america-end-2016-china-blows-past-us-154221921.html%20?sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=[/URL] homefront anyone?[/QUOTE] STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES!! How the fuck did Americans not know this?

My bet is that England will become the big country after Asia again.

[QUOTE=minilandstan;29501749]My bet is that England will become the big country after Asia again.[/QUOTE] Thats highly doubtful. England had its time, I suspect a country like India.

I think China really needs to spend some of their money on the people. Seriously, it's a shithole down there.

America's reign ended ages ago when they lost vietnam and then allowed aload of immigrants to come over from third world countries and elected several idiots for presidents - obama included.

[QUOTE=Motherfucker;29499204]STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES!! How the fuck did Americans not know this?[/QUOTE] Because it's PPP GDP, not nominal, so China won't actually be the biggest economic kid on the block. At the moment, China is about a 1/3 of the US in nominal terms. Anyway, the Eurozone has been bigger than the US for a few years IIRC and no one had batted an eyelid.

[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;29502334][b]I think China really needs to spend some of their money on the people.[/b] Seriously, it's a shithole down there.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/VCKnD.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Explosions;29503852][img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/VCKnD.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] [img]http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/South-Park-HUMANCENTiPAD1.jpg[/img] In leading positions. - China - America - Europe.

Funfact: If the entire population of China were to jog past you single file the line would never end due to the rate of reproduction.

[QUOTE=Bloodlines;29503657]America's reign ended ages ago when they lost vietnam and then allowed aload of immigrants to come over from third world countries and elected several idiots for presidents - obama included.[/QUOTE] Immigrants aren't the problem, the issue stems from American's feeling like they're superior to everyone else because history textbooks are full of bluster and the US is still classified as a Superpower. Obama is actually a better president than people give him credit for. The problem with his term is that he's a Democrat president in a time when the Republicans control not only the state legistlatures, but Congress as well. He basically has to bend over and take it in the rear to get anything done with the Republican Party. If he had it his way, the US would have a healthcare system much like Germany/Japan, an economic revival through massive spending similar to the New Deal and increased taxes which are a good thing when the federal government is in debt and the only group willing to spend money. [editline]29th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=minilandstan;29501749]My bet is that England will become the big country after Asia again.[/QUOTE] No offense to the English, but there's no way Britain will become an all encompassing power again. It's more likely to be one of the developing nations with sizable populations like India or Brazil.