[QUOTE=Vasili;29453430][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_strikes_law[/url]
"California — the state punishes shoplifting and similar crimes involving under $400 in property as felony petty theft if the person who committed the crime has a prior conviction for any form of theft[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft"][/URL], including robbery or burglary[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burglary"][/URL]. As a result, some defendants have been given sentences of 25 years to life in prison for such crimes as shoplifting golf clubs (Gary Ewing, previous strikes for burglary and robbery with a knife), or, along with a violent assault, a slice of pepperoni pizza from a group of children (Jerry Dewayne Williams, previous convictions for robbery and attempted robbery, sentence later reduced to six years)."
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/28/60II/main527248.shtml[/url]
"Three "strikes" and you get life in jail. Even for trivial crimes, Leandro Andrade is serving 2 consecutive life sentences for shoplifting 9 video tapes with a value of $153"
Kevin Webber - stole 4 cookies and got 25 years
[url]http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0126-01.htm[/url]
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
errrrrrrrrrrr I could just totally use your own argument on yourself right there[/QUOTE]
and you probably should, i'm arguing with you because i have nothing better to do for the next 5-10 minutes
i don't expect you to actually learn anything
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29453731]Oh hey I used that biased link you have there, and I did a little looking into myself for the "victims" that were unjustly wronged by the Three Strikes Law, you know what I found? The homeless man was later freed by a Los Angeles jury, and many of the others were arrested because they have a history of [I]robbing people with weapons, violence against others, and breaking into places[/I], don't you find it odd that a person, fully aware of their state's policy on crime, would continue to commit crimes with such a track record?[/quote]
Erm I gave you the links to read, I wasn't going to give you a page spam of copy pasted articals.
[quote]You make it sound like he stole a pack of cookies off the shelf of some grocery store, he was actively trying to enter a building with the probable intent on stealing more then just food.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, probable. You're sure as hell bent on making it sound like he was going to steal other things, how are you so sure? He got convicted for stealing 4 chocolate biscuits, not 'he was likely going to take other things'. But this isn't the point I was actually mainly arguing about (nice for straying away from that though), I was just pointing out how dumb the system itself was on point with the fact that American prisons use forced labour to create consumer and military goods, which comes under slavery/sweat shop material.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
Which on par to my original statement, America is a country that still uses a slave system.
[QUOTE=Vasili;29453909]
Which on par to my original statement, America is a country that still uses a slave system.[/QUOTE]
:patriot:
there is no slave system in America
do you think maids are slaves? they work strict hours based on their employer
you know what fuck it, your 10 minutes are up
it's obvious you're too ignorant to process anything outside of what you want to believe
[QUOTE=Tac Error;29448381]The portion of my mom's family living on the Mainland think otherwise.[/QUOTE]
At least I can walk down the street with a shirt saying "fuck the government" and not get arrested :fsmug:
[QUOTE=JerryK;29454006]there is no slave system in America
do you think maids are slaves? they work strict hours based on their employer
you know what fuck it, your 10 minutes are up
it's obvious you're too ignorant to process anything outside of what you want to believe[/QUOTE]
i better just call you a idiot because i can't argue with you!!!!!!!!!!
wow nice job you sure SHOWED ME on how to debate
also thanks for not actually reading what I originally said you've been a great contributor.
[QUOTE=Vasili;29453909]Erm I gave you the links to read, I wasn't going to give you a page spam of copy pasted articals.[/QUOTE]
When you're trying to argue the US is some oppressive slave state, you better back it up with plenty of evidence other then a shady website and a single 60 minutes news article talking about one incident.
[QUOTE=Vasili;29453909]
Yeah, probable. You're sure as hell bent on making it sound like he was going to steal other things, how are you so sure? He got convicted for stealing 4 chocolate biscuits, not 'he was likely going to take other things'.[/QUOTE]
Yeah someone who did the following certainly wasn't going to steal anything else:
[quote]Kevin Weber got his third strike while homeless and unemployed. His earlier offenses, however, occurred while he was working as a maintenance man at a local apartment complex. Using his master key he broke into one of the apartments twice. The first time, Weber made off with several firearms, When he broke in again, the apartment's resident, a police officer, was home and caught him in the act. Weber grabbed a .22 caliber pistol belonging to the policeman's roommate and, in an effort to escape, threatened to use it.[/quote]
That being said, if there was more there he would've been convicted of far more then just stealing some biscuits (and to note, he was apparently arrested for the forced entry along with stealing the cookies, since it'd be odd for someone to arrest someone for just the act of theft when forced entry was involved.)
[QUOTE=Vasili;29453909]But this isn't the point I was actually mainly arguing about (nice for straying away from that though), I was just pointing out how dumb the system itself was on point with the fact that American prisons use forced labour to create consumer and military goods, which comes under slavery/sweat shop material.
Which on par to my original statement, America is a country that still uses a slave system.[/QUOTE]
After looking through the thread I see you haven't actually given any evidence other then your word for this statement, can you provide links to prove it?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;29450057]I went through Texas when I was moving to Arizona... Fuck that state, and fuck the majority of the cunts that live there.
I went into a gas station with my sister to get a pop, and we both got Pepsi. Everyone in there went about calling us yanks, and shit. Was aggravating as shit.[/QUOTE]
I forgot that a gas station is the representative for the second largest state in the U.S.
I fucking LOVE Pepsi btw.
[QUOTE=RBM11;29454035]At least I can walk down the street with a shirt saying "fuck the government" and not get arrested :fsmug:[/QUOTE]
Wow such a rebel.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29454147]When you're trying to argue the US is some oppressive slave state[/quote]
But I'm not? I am just pointing out your prison systems use sweat shop and slave industry. Where does that say AMERICA IS PIG DOG SLAVE COUNTRY????
Slavery is involuntary servitude with the key word being [B]involuntary[/B]. Prison work is [B]voluntary[/B]. They use work as a way to get treated better because they can use that money to buy sweets and other prison luxuries and the reason wages are so low is because they don't have to pay for food, housing, medical expenses etc.
They can also use that money for when they are released.
We do have many problems with our justice system but we aren't enslaving people.
[editline]26th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;29454167]Wow such a rebel.[/QUOTE]
A point about freedom of speech, don't take it literally.
Although you are the one who did say totalitarianism is okay as long as the country is stable.
[QUOTE=Vasili;29454185]But I'm not? I am just pointing out your prison systems use sweat shop and slave industry. Where does that say AMERICA IS PIG DOG SLAVE COUNTRY????[/QUOTE]
Calm down and stop using excessive punctuation.
A condition compared to that of a slave in respect of exhausting labor or restricted freedom, the state of being under the control of another person, work done under harsh conditions for little or no pay. That IS definition of slavery and the prison systems utilize this exploitation.
Now hold on here's something CRAZY
I don't really care for the ethics, I'm just pointing out that the system by definition is a slave driver.
[QUOTE=Vasili;29454185]But I'm not? I am just pointing out your prison systems use sweat shop and slave industry. Where does that say AMERICA IS PIG DOG SLAVE COUNTRY????[/QUOTE]
[quote]Which on par to my original statement, America is a country that still uses a slave system.[/quote]
You're thinking of penal labor, not slave labor, which is a constitutional amendment: [quote]"neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."[/quote]However, your examples fall under non-punitive penal labor, which is a job that prisoners are able to get and make actual money while being in prison.
death to america
I wouldn't have thought, though it is too soon to tell. It's not the year 2016 yet. A lot can happen in a couple of years.
I'm not American myself, but I've always liked your country. I don't even know why, maybe it's the language, as from what I've heard you are not exactly any type of miracle workers either. So, even if you are just a rat, maybe it's time to abandon the sinking ship, or maybe not.
I'd still prefer living in the US where I can piss in my own toilet and eat food from my own refrigerator.
Slavery is bad in that they do not earn wages. The Romans went completely down the shitter because slaves did all the work and were not paid so they were unable to help encourage trade, whilst freemen lived off the state and the state bought all the food for people and paid for entertainment. A completely shit economy because they were spending and buying but never actually trying to make any money, and as soon as the barbarians came in they were screwed.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;29454314]You're thinking of penal labor, not slave labor, which is a constitutional amendment: However, your examples fall under non-punitive penal labor, which is a job that prisoners are able to get and make actual money while being in prison.[/QUOTE]
Poor money, yes, which would come under a definition of slavery/sweat shop. You are more or less forced to work otherwise what else is there to do? Don't feel like I'm just attacking goo' ol' white picked fence America here, it applies to a lot of countries throughout the world. As far as I am aware this part of the constitution;
[quote]"except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted"[/quote]
Is saying slavery is okay as long as the man/woman is a convict? Because it does say slavery is not okay UNLESS you are a criminal - from what I just read.
[QUOTE=Vasili;29454246]A condition compared to that of a slave in respect of exhausting labor or restricted freedom, the state of being under the control of another person, work done under harsh conditions for little or no pay. That IS definition of slavery and the prison systems utilize this exploitation.
Now hold on here's something CRAZY
I don't really care for the ethics, I'm just pointing out that the system by definition is a slave driver.[/QUOTE]
You act like they force them to work. They don't, that was abolished in all states by the 20s.
Either you can work in prison for low wages or you don't work. You can also sometimes choose to go to hard labor prisons voluntarily for a much shorter time than normal prison but guess what? It's [B]voluntary[/B].
I don't give a shit if my U.S. isnt on top anymore. As long as it isnt affecting my and the majort if my fellow American's day-to-day life.
[quote]Well, psychologically, it will mean that Americans will have to get used to the idea that they're not the biggest kid on the block anymore.[/quote]
Fucking finally. Maybe we'll stop going to war with every other country that has oil.
More pointless fear-mongering. Move along, nothing to see here.
They work for low wages because they don't have to pay for food, housing, recreation, etc.
[QUOTE=Jmir 54;29454546]I don't give a shit if my country isnt on top anymore. As long as it isnt affecting my and the majort if my fellow Romans day-to-day life.[/QUOTE]
This is the attitude most people had in the dying days of Rome, and that is why it fell.
[QUOTE=Vasili;29454509]Poor money, yes, which would come under a definition of slavery/sweat shop. You are more or less forced to work otherwise what else is there to do? Don't feel like I'm just attacking goo' ol' white picked fence America here, it applies to a lot of countries throughout the world. As far as I am aware this part of the constitution;
Is saying slavery is okay as long as the man/woman is a convict? Because it does say slavery is not okay UNLESS you are a criminal - from what I just read.[/QUOTE]
The amendment provides for that because it was written in the 19th century when it was common in most countries.. But forced labor, aka the convict lease system, was abolished by the 20s.
[QUOTE=RBM11;29454601]The amendment provides for that because it was written in the 19th century when it was common in most countries.. But forced labor, aka the convict lease system, was abolished by the 20s.[/QUOTE]
Forced labor is still around. You're forced to work or else how are you going to buy food? You gonna steal it, and maybe get arrested?
Woah, interesting title for a thread. Probably a huge shitstorm going on in the thread.
Yup. And it's all gone off-topic. Oh well.
[QUOTE=amute;29450059]Barley. The British Empire had its hand in every inch of the worlds economy.[/QUOTE]
I'm not the one who needs convincing, go tell Africa Britain had no part in slave trading.
Well, it looks like Britain did fine; I'm not too worried about this. But it was nice being the leader for a while.
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