[QUOTE=Neo222;29465484]Not saying its immature, but I am saying its way too common that it seems like a bandwagon. You can criticise it for a good reason, but not for some stupid reason without even knowing what that reason is. Like [b]some[/b] people around here...[/QUOTE]
America has many, many problems, and compared to an idealized society is shit.
It's just not anywhere near the shittest.
Unless you live in the first world country with socialized medicine and :v: every time an American family is destroyed because of an unfortunate medical incident when they didn't have insurance.
Well, maybe not :v:, but even so.
[QUOTE=mokkan;29462414][editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
[img_thumb]http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/asia/vietnam/map_of_vietnam.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Damn politicians. :argh:
[QUOTE=Contag;29465549]America has many, many problems, and compared to an idealized society is shit.
It's just not anywhere near the shittest.
Unless you live in the first world country with socialized medicine and :v: every time an American family is destroyed because of an unfortunate medical incident when they didn't have insurance.
Well, maybe not :v:, but even so.[/QUOTE]
America is not perfect. No country is perfect, some have more problems than others. But it doesn't mean we can fix them. Just saying, don't get your hopes up and quickly say that America is worse. Only time will tell who is dominant for how long, what will happen, and who'd be the big player once true global unity is accomplished. We just need to learn from our mistakes, ignore idiots who didn't, and make our country the way it's supposed to be while figuring out what sort of government would be best.
In my humble opinion, america wont fix it's problems. Main goal is cash and control.
[QUOTE=Contag;29465183]Was that in the coastal cities or in the rural areas?[/QUOTE]
It was the coastal cities such as Shanghai, Hong Kong and the capital Beijing. But I've had some experienced in the rural areas. I can't come up with any good comparison, but the closest thing I could think of was "farmer slums". It basically looked like this:
[img]http://reisverslagen.tomsweb.net/hongkong/Dragon%20Bridge%20Village.jpg[/img]
Obviously there's a quite large gap between the poor people and the non poor in China. Some houses didn't even have what we in west would take for granted like televisions, internet, clean white porcelain toilets and so forth, which actually also is quite obvious as China is still considered to be a developing nation.
But as I was riding the train to Shanghai (from Beijing) I saw many of these rural areas undergoing "face lifts". I mean practically every station I passed had at least 1 or 2 active cranes moving stuff to new apartment buildings and so on. It was kinda sad to see it as many old houses were torn down to make place for the new houses.
[QUOTE=Falchion;29465680]In my humble opinion, america wont fix it's problems. Main goal is cash and control.[/QUOTE]
As long as we got someone in power with that goal, then yes. In reality, the whole conflict with Democracy was rich people vs the regulars, starting with Rome. Now, Julius Caeser was popular with the middle class and lower classes, aka the regulars, but not so much with higher-class. Guess who assassinated him, and basically guess who set forth the democracy we now know and hate? Yup, the higher-class. And the cycle repeats.
If anybody had to surpass the US I would prefer a country from the EU and still with strong links to the US to stop lots of tension building up.
There's actually not that much "tension" between China and US in purely diplomatic/political terms. Sure western activists are all for freeing Tibet but the chinese government doesn't actually care because this does not affect their doings.
I got the picture while visiting china (from numerous sources and observations) that the chinese people don't "hate" america at all, american things (especially consumer items) are sometimes even held in great value especially by the young people and the business class.
China has been booming since like ever.
[url]http://fora.tv/2009/02/13/Dmitry_Orlov_Social_Collapse_Best_Practices[/url]
Interesting, if not entirely credible.
Well, only one thing for America to do now- do what Germany did when they were in a financial ditch:
elect a dictator to power and allow him to build up a massive army and invade every country on his continent.
[editline]27th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;29466913][url]http://fora.tv/2009/02/13/Dmitry_Orlov_Social_Collapse_Best_Practices[/url]
Interesting, if not entirely credible.[/QUOTE]
Damnit, it doesn't go past the sponsor message for me....
[QUOTE=Tac Error;29447830]More fearmongering? Not surprising.[/QUOTE]
This. Also brb, moving to Canada.
While I sometimes disagree with Tac Error it's pretty clear he knows his military shit.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;29448812]I like how you as a person not living in China, is trying to describe the Chinese life to a person living in China.
Edit: Also 20 hours a day labour sounds very unreasonable.[/QUOTE]
Such is life in communust China.
[quote]using a special measure of economic size called "purchasing price parity."[/quote]
:v: They talk about GDP by PPP as some kind of retarded step child that sits in the corner drooling.
I will show with another example.
[quote]using a special measure of sizes called "International System of Units"[/quote]
[QUOTE=Arctic Snow;29465582]Damn politicians. :argh:[/QUOTE]
You think General Westmoreland and the US military without political restrictions would've "won" the Vietnam War? It would still have lost due to its total ignorance of unconventional guerrilla warfare.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;29469982]You think General Westmoreland and the US military without political restrictions would've "won" the Vietnam War? It would still have lost due to its total ignorance of unconventional guerrilla warfare.[/QUOTE]
And the corresponding total ignorance of any socio-cultural practices, which an understanding of is integral to effective COIN techniques (as you know, obviously).
now would be a good time to legalize cannabis and utilize the plant to boost our economy, oh wait right the government is run by special interests and lobbyists nvm we need a revolution.
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;29470302]now would be a good time to legalize cannabis and utilize the plant to boost our economy, oh wait right the government is run by special interests and lobbyists nvm we need a revolution.[/QUOTE]
We should instead sell drugs to China, crippling their country in the process!
Wait, that sounds familiar...
[QUOTE=Best4bond;29465030]This is probably gonna be just like Japan's sudden hike in the 80's, Where its stronger for a few years, Then sinks back down.[/QUOTE]
That's how the economy works, all countries have high points, then low points.
The only exception to this is when countries go on a full-scale war, you know WW2 and shit, the economy booms at this point because there will be a massive increase of jobs. Afterwards however there will be a depression because making loads of guns isn't needed.
[QUOTE=Nightsure;29470395]The only exception to this is when countries go on a full-scale war, you know WW2 and shit, the economy booms at this point because there will be a massive increase of jobs. Afterwards however there will be a depression because making loads of guns isn't needed.[/QUOTE]
Certainly true for an industrial-era society, but today's service-based economy and different nature of warfare (faster, non-linear, more destructive and not necessarily fought on the battlefield) means that a WW2 "boom" is not really possible.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;29470556]Certainly true for an industrial-era society, but today's service-based economy and different nature of warfare (faster, non-linear, more destructive and not necessarily fought on the battlefield) means that a WW2 "boom" is not really possible.[/QUOTE]
Oh I completely forgot about that :smith:
Well any way as much as China is booming now they'll go down into a depression at some point.
No one can keep up a good economy for that long.
[QUOTE=Nightsure;29470601]Oh I completely forgot about that :smith:
Well any way as much as China is booming now they'll go down into a depression at some point.
No one can keep up a good economy for that long.[/QUOTE]
I bloody well hope it's not for a long time yet, though.
[QUOTE=FPSMango;29447936]I'm not too worried, after all these kinds of economics shifts happen all the time. Hell, the middle-east used to be one of the strongest areas in the world thousands of years ago. Look at them now.[/QUOTE]
Blame Christianity and the Pope.
[QUOTE=Falchion;29464908]In your face.
Edit: Unlike popular belief, US sucks balls even more than China.[/QUOTE]
And for what reasons?
[QUOTE=Tac Error;29459395]If the progressive faction of the Communist Party in the 1980s acquired more power than the hardliner faction and wasn't arrested, then the PRC would indeed have a better government - in our Western eyes - by now.
[editline]26th April 2011[/editline]
Don't be a Soviet apologist. Soviet military doctrine was wrong basing the majority of their naval power on ballistic missile submarines, which only have deterrence value and are only useful in actual war if said conflict turned nuclear.
[editline]26th April 2011[/editline]
Experience in expeditionary operations against foes which are not regarded as "peer enemies" and said operations are of a low-intensity nature, yes, but the last time that the US military trained to fight against a peer foe was over 20 years ago.
As an example: The IDF had over 10 years of experience fighting against the Palestinians in the 1990s. When it came to invading Lebanon in 2006 they get a nice surprise from Hezbollah indeed.
But then again the PLA isn't an expeditionary force. It is tailored toward different strategic, operational, and tactical requirements than the US military and mirror-imaging the two is apples and oranges.[/QUOTE]
How are ballistic missile subs not a good and as far as I understand the Kirov was a good ship a thought expensive. The American Carriers are in no way better then a Kirov.
[QUOTE=yaik9a;29472869]How are ballistic missile subs not a good and as far as I understand the Kirov was a good ship a thought expensive.[/quote]
Unless your military doctrine consists of single-option nuclear war like how Khrushchev imposed on the Soviet military, boomers are sadly limited in a conventional war unless perhaps they were modified to carry conventional reentry vehicles - which the Soviet Navy did not do.
[quote]The American Carriers are in no way better then a Kirov.[/QUOTE]
Incomparable. One is a surface combatant while the other is a floating airfield. Completely different roles. Don't introduce an unrelated thing. We are talking about Soviet carriers.
im an american
i dont give a fuck if were the most economically important country in the world. all i want is a place to live and be able to freely work and spend my money how i please, and have my rights
[QUOTE=Tac Error;29473321]Unless your military doctrine consists of single-option nuclear war like how Khrushchev imposed on the Soviet military, boomers are sadly limited in a conventional war unless perhaps they were modified to carry conventional reentry vehicles - which the Soviet Navy did not do.
Incomparable. One is a surface combatant while the other is a floating airfield. Completely different roles. Don't introduce an unrelated thing. We are talking about Soviet carriers.[/QUOTE]
The Kirov was a soviet carrier.
[QUOTE=Da Jester;29448277]Britain got most of it's power through slavery bro.[/QUOTE]
Lol it also ended it. And let's not forget, slavery was part of nearly all European colonial empires.
Slavery doesn't grant resources, yeah it grants manpower to build, to produce products, but also it does not grant direct military power, through which Britain could dominate the world. The British Isles are a small bunch of islands, and they had a small population but still they came up top against those who were big back then, such as France and Spain. Who really were rich and powerful particularly France.
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