(U.S.) Generals say women should have to register for draft - Polidicks

[QUOTE=cody8295;49660001]Or maybe we could get rid of the draft[/QUOTE] Feminists seem to be taking the easy route out of this.

[QUOTE=Valdor;49661098]You can always try to dodge the draft and leave the country and your "shitty drafting government"[/QUOTE] And risk imprisonment. Every single victim of a draft is a nonwilling participant. Every single one. If they wanted to be a part of it, they'd have signed up.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49661192]As a male between the ages of 18-25 i feel uncomfortable knowing that there is a system in place to force me to die for a cause i don't yet know and may never believe in[/QUOTE] I can almost guarantee that if they do bring back the draft, it'll be to help fight an immediate, existential threat against the heartland of the United States. We'd be fighting on home soil against an enemy that has the capacity to cripple or destroy our country, and is in the process of doing so. If that isn't a war worth fighting, I don't know what is. Thankfully, our geography makes such a threat distinctly unlikely.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49660981]If you've gotten to the point where you're just dragging bodies in to hopefully slow the enemy down (there's a reason they didn't join before you started drafting, they probably aren't actually up for fights), then you might as well just give the fuck up. People who don't want to be there aren't going to help you. They'll maybe fight enough to survive if you're lucky. The draft is a totally asinine process in a modern standing army that is fully staffed all the time.[/QUOTE] "Throw your soldiers into a position from whence they can never escape, and they shall desire death before flight."

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49661377]I can almost guarantee that if they do bring back the draft, it'll be to help fight an immediate, existential threat against the heartland of the United States. We'd be fighting on home soil against an enemy that has the capacity to cripple or destroy our country, and is in the process of doing so. If that isn't a war worth fighting, I don't know what is. Thankfully, our geography makes such a threat distinctly unlikely.[/QUOTE] Last time the draft was used to invade another country.

I don't even think I signed up for the draft when they sent me that letter in the mail

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;49661396]I don't even think I signed up for the draft when they sent me that letter in the mail[/QUOTE] How long ago was that?

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49661411]How long ago was that?[/QUOTE] 6 years ago

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;49661433]6 years ago[/QUOTE] You understand you have like one year to sign up right?

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;49661433]6 years ago[/QUOTE] Might want to get on that then.. You have until you're 26. [url]https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Why-Register/Benefits-and-Penalties[/url] [url]https://www.sss.gov/Registration-Info/Who-Registration[/url]

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49659753]the military has to be 50/50 men/women otherwise it's unequal. just like corporate board rooms and university enrollment. finally the patriarchy will fall[/QUOTE] I also wish to see equal representation in the garbage collection profession. Add sewer maintence too, equality for everyone!

Oh sure, draft up 80% of the population and leave the children and elderly to maintain the wartime economy during a war. That'll go so well.

Can always take the trump route and skip the draft or the NEET route and be so physically incapable they tell you to go away

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49660502]War has changed to the point where combat that took place in Vietnam very likely won't happen again. The forces across the world are moving to smaller, flexible units capable of rapidly deploying to hotzones, not engaging in years long campaigns of matching bodies to body counts over unnamed hills and valleys.[/QUOTE] That's how it is because we're currently in equiliberium. Combat could easily go back to frontline grindfests as empires become a thing again. A lot of people seem to think that combat is very much like what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq; yet the first Iraq War was very much a classic example of war and the starts of both the Afghanistan and Second Iraq War were incredibly similiar. Hell the move of the French Mali was also the same; people keep talking about military action as becoming small and flexible when that could be further from the truth. The only nations engaging in this behavior are the Europeans who are losing most of their power projection in the process and its due to budgety issues. Russia is returning back to form with a similiar set up as they had before the end of the Cold War and China is as well creating a large military; to think that somehow the trend is going somewhere else because we're using special forces as a way to avoid putting boots on the ground is laughable. The only reason the SAS are operating in Syria is because putting British troops is something that won't happen, not without US support whose country has basically given a resounding 'Fuck No.'

I just humored them and signed it and if we ever were in the rare case were a draft was implemented again I'd just say "lol" and fucker off to Canada.

[QUOTE=General J;49661546]I just humored them and signed it and if we ever were in the rare case were a draft was implemented again I'd just say "lol" and fucker off to Canada.[/QUOTE] First off; its a good thing you signed up because you actually lose access to a bunch of shit including federal loans for college. Also Canada and the US have a legal agreement about people running from the draft; which was created in the wake of those running during Vietnam.

I'd stay and write cool ass songs.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49660981]If you've gotten to the point where you're just dragging bodies in to hopefully slow the enemy down (there's a reason they didn't join before you started drafting, they probably aren't actually up for fights), then you might as well just give the fuck up. People who don't want to be there aren't going to help you. They'll maybe fight enough to survive if you're lucky. The draft is a totally asinine process in a modern standing army that is fully staffed all the time.[/QUOTE] Am I the only one who gets tired of this? You can serve as a non-combat person with the draft now.

Go ahead and draft me assholes, I have back problems and bipolar disorder I mean that probably qualifies me for a generalship

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49661474]Might want to get on that then.. You have until you're 26. [url]https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Why-Register/Benefits-and-Penalties[/url] [url]https://www.sss.gov/Registration-Info/Who-Registration[/url][/QUOTE] Shit, I almost forgot to sign up myself. Thanks for reminding me.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49661393]Last time the draft was used to invade another country.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but there's a stigma against using it like that nowadays. If anyone were to activate the draft outside of extreme necessity, it would be political suicide.

Conscription has been used for the entirety of Warfare as we know it. Honestly if things got so bad that you guys were called to service you would find that the Government can be very persuasive to get you to do your job. It's not like we've never dealt with dissenters before. [editline]3rd February 2016[/editline] It's a shame though that there are some of you who would willingly refuse service even if America was invaded by a foreign power.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49661315]That sounds like objectification brah.[/QUOTE] in a hypothetical situation wherein a huge majority of the homeland population were wiped out, i guarantee you nobody is going to give two shits about objectification there was a reason he capitalized BIG in BIG war

[QUOTE=RedBaronFlyer;49660035]You say that like people just get randomly dragged off and forced to be soldiers during a time of non total war The draft exist as a sort of last resort, when all the people who wanted to join have joined/died and they need more people[/QUOTE] Yes, a last resort, just like in Vietnam, where we sent young men to die so that.. We could.. Uh.. To protect.. Hm.

[QUOTE=Jintei;49661501]Oh sure, draft up 80% of the population and leave the children and elderly to maintain the wartime economy during a war. That'll go so well.[/QUOTE] They wouldn't draft the entire populace, the government has done some stupid shit but it's run by people that aren't total idiots. [editline]3rd February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=soulharvester;49661315]That sounds like objectification brah.[/QUOTE] No, it's utilitarianism.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49661785] It's a shame though that there are some of you who would willingly refuse service even if America was invaded by a foreign power.[/QUOTE] Wake me up when that's a possibility, bud

anywho like fucking hell am i dying for any country, neocons like invadernouga can call me what they wanna but i'm not throwing my life away for anything

[QUOTE=srobins;49661826]Yes, a last resort, just like in Vietnam, where we sent young men to die so that.. We could.. Uh.. To protect.. Hm.[/QUOTE] Vietnam started as early as 1960, the draft was thought of as the way to have a large army back then, the fallout from Vietnam basically rendered the draft all but a last resort tool for the military, just like rationing, we won't ever have a draft again unless ww3 kicks off in Europe, but even then, look back to iraq, a major conflict, the army had no problem getting volunteers, to the point that they have too many vets on the healthcare system, too many heroes for medals, and too many vets unemployed afterwards

[QUOTE=phygon;49660457]If it was abused for wardriving as it was in vietnam it can be abused again.[/QUOTE] Any politician attempting to reinstate the draft would be committing political suicide. The only possible way it could come back is if the country was facing some sort of existential threat, by which point a draft would be a necessity for survival, rather than just a tool.

[QUOTE=phygon;49661827]No, it's utilitarianism.[/QUOTE] That sounds pretty sexist to me.