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[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50501063]Well that would be a plus in an odd way. Other politicians would try to follow suit, to run lower cost campaigns like he did. So if Trump does win, in a fucked up way, he would ve gotten money out of politics.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and instead we'd get more outrageous pandering nonsense.

[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50501063]Well that would be a plus in an odd way. Other politicians would try to follow suit, to run lower cost campaigns like he did. So if Trump does win, in a fucked up way, he would ve gotten money out of politics.[/QUOTE] No he wouldn't have, they'd just tout him as being a fool who was in over his head, and then show him how to REALLY kiss ass for money.

[QUOTE=smurfy;50500178]Trump's campaign has just 70 members of staff compared to Clinton's 732. )[/QUOTE] The worse part of this for the GOP is that Trump runs his campaign himself. Everything runs through him, he's the first boss and the last boss on all judgement and decisions. Clinton lets her campaign work for her instead of micromanaging it. You can make complaints of "oh she doesn't do anything, it's her campaign" but the reality of that is - that's how the world fucking works, from government to businesses big and small. Money aside, micromanaging his campaign the way he is will inevitably hurt Trump.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;50501522]what im legitimately googling this and cannot find what you are talking about [editline]12th June 2016[/editline] i've seen mccain basically say "i don't need an apology, the veterans of the country do"[/QUOTE] The whole thing started with McCain calling Trump supporters "crazies". Then for an entire week Trump kept attacking McCain who then decided to back down on his statement by saying he meant it as a term of affection. Skip to 07:48 [video]https://youtu.be/zFeSjczceL4[/video]

[QUOTE=AlexConnor;50500602][B]he's very good at divorcing himself from the consequences of screwing up.[/B][/QUOTE] Read, every single businessman literally ever Why would you have yourself liable if you have the option to not have yourself liable?

[QUOTE=Durandal;50500992]Though highly unlikely and near impossible it'd be hilarious if despite Donald's negatives, he somehow pulled a win out of his ass with a skeleton campaign and barely any financing.[/QUOTE] That's what his supporters are celebrating. "Under budget and ahead of schedule" they memetically call it. They also seem to float around figures showing his campaign spending is way below his opponents and yet he's still crushed a ton of them and is apparently threatening to the remainder. [editline]12th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50500996]With the ammo he has against Clinton, and everyone else including Clinton giving him free attention, plus disgruntled Sanders supporters, He still has a very likely chance to win.[/QUOTE] If he does win or comes as close as Romney vs Obama we learn that your campaign can survive entirely on memes and being outrageous

[QUOTE=phygon;50505480]Read, every single businessman literally ever Why would you have yourself liable if you have the option to not have yourself liable?[/QUOTE] At some point trump is also the head of the business and he makes very stupid decisions like not paying contractors, taxes, or taking very high interest loans because he never has to feel the consequences. Most companies do not setup an LLC to manage LLC that manage LLCs

[QUOTE=phygon;50505480]Read, every single businessman literally ever Why would you have yourself liable if you have the option to not have yourself liable?[/QUOTE] Well, of course. Though most don't take it as far as setting up 3 different LLCs to cover ownership of 3 apartment complexes in the same city. The important point to take away is that Trump has burnt practically everyone (apart from direct family) who invested in his businesses or lent him money, yet retains an image of success because it's other peoples money he's throwing away. If Trump crashes the US economy as is entirely possible given he's failed at ever business venture he's ever tried outside real-estate development it will be American citizens taking the impact and not Trump himself.

[QUOTE=AlexConnor;50505632] burnt practically everyone (apart from direct family) [/QUOTE] [url=http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264579-report-trump-helped-draft-will-that-excluded-his-brothers]You ought to read what he does to family he doesn't care for[/url]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50505738][url=http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264579-report-trump-helped-draft-will-that-excluded-his-brothers]You ought to read what he does to family he doesn't care for[/url][/QUOTE] :vomit: i can't understand how anyone could rationalize cutting off the medical care for a relative who such a chronic condition just like that

Supposedly according to buzzfeed (so take it with a heavy grain of salt) a small trump Donor is threatening that Trump will put celeberties in the supreme court unless the Big GOP Donors send Trump Money, the fucking Big ones aren't that fucking stupid.

Can someone explain why presidential candidates need 1 billion+ $ to run for president in the USA?

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[QUOTE=taipan;50513400]Can someone explain why presidential candidates need 1 billion+ $ to run for president in the USA?[/QUOTE] airing attack ads, radio blurbs, web ads, paying for positive coverage in blogs, paying consultancy firms, social media handlers, local outreach groups, campaign staff, legal staff. american elections are pretty expensive that way.

The only thing he's not getting for free are staff and bribes

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50512367]Supposedly according to buzzfeed (so take it with a heavy grain of salt) a small trump Donor is threatening that Trump will put celeberties in the supreme court unless the Big GOP Donors send Trump Money, the fucking Big ones aren't that fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] I had heard that he wanted sports stars and celebrities to speak at the convention instead of politicians (for somewhat obvious reasons), but I hadn't heard this.

[QUOTE=Durandal;50514661]I had heard that he wanted sports stars and celebrities to speak at the convention instead of politicians (for somewhat obvious reasons), but I hadn't heard this.[/QUOTE] Yeah I think it's fucking stupid, So I took it as a heavy grain of salt extremely now, because the GOP could just block the celebrities if he does it, and he already published his supreme court list.

[QUOTE=taipan;50513400]Can someone explain why presidential candidates need 1 billion+ $ to run for president in the USA?[/QUOTE] Campaign ads on television are expensive to make and very expensive for air time every hour of every channel every day for however long the campaign is. Plus staff in every state have to be hired for the campaign. Not all are volunteers.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50517510]Campaign ads on television are expensive to make and very expensive for air time every hour of every channel every day for however long the campaign is. Plus staff in every state have to be hired for the campaign. Not all are volunteers.[/QUOTE] But everybody knows who the two candidates are now. They dont really need more exposure. Isnt it just a matter of voting for the one who's idea's you agree with the most? No amount of flyers or bumper stickers will change that.

[QUOTE=taipan;50513400]Can someone explain why presidential candidates need 1 billion+ $ to run for president in the USA?[/QUOTE] [url=https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/expenditures.php]Most of the money[/url] goes to buying airtime to broadcast ads. This is a big expense that campaigns in European countries don't have to deal with, because most European countries ban political advertising from the airwaves. US campaigns are also waaaaaayyy fucking longer than campaigns in a lot of other countries so that accounts for a lot of the difference in the overall figures compared with other countries.

[QUOTE=smurfy;50523886][url=https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/expenditures.php]Most of the money[/url] goes to buying airtime to broadcast ads. This is a big expense that campaigns in European countries don't have to deal with, because most European countries ban political advertising from the airwaves. US campaigns are also waaaaaayyy fucking longer than campaigns in a lot of other countries so that accounts for a lot of the difference in the overall figures compared with other countries.[/QUOTE] i know, can you believe the fucking primaries have been running for [I]over a goddamn year now![/I] Ted launched his campaign waaaay back in March of last year and today was the last primary vote. the presidential campaign will be brisk comparatively speaking

[QUOTE=taipan;50518927]But everybody knows who the two candidates are now. They dont really need more exposure. Isnt it just a matter of voting for the one who's idea's you agree with the most? No amount of flyers or bumper stickers will change that.[/QUOTE] Everyone knows of them, but there's a constant stream of ads explaining in stupid/simple detail why the other candidate is a shitty person (with no mention of actual policies). Plus, you would be surprised of just how many undecided voters there are.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50524600] (with no mention of actual policies)[/QUOTE] People keep bringing that up, but honestly between trump and hillary why [i]would[/i] you rely on stated policies? they're both lying shitbags to such a degree that all that matters is their character

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50524600]Everyone knows of them, but there's a constant stream of ads explaining in stupid/simple detail why the other candidate is a shitty person (with no mention of actual policies). Plus, you would be surprised of just how many undecided voters there are.[/QUOTE] Funny enough most of those undecided are democrats, a lot of democrats don't really start to pay attention till at least August.

[QUOTE=zakedodead;50525063]People keep bringing that up, but honestly between trump and hillary why [i]would[/i] you rely on stated policies? they're both lying shitbags to such a degree that all that matters is their character[/QUOTE] That's kind of just your opinion. Policy matters far more once they're in office and people ought to take notice of them before voting. No, it's not the most important thing that matters, but it is one of the most important things.

[QUOTE=zakedodead;50525063]People keep bringing that up, but honestly between trump and hillary why [I]would[/I] you rely on stated policies? they're both lying shitbags to such a degree that all that matters is their character[/QUOTE] The logical conclusion of "they are liars, ergo policy doesn't matter" is that they are going to shift massively in their policy and I haven't seen justification for either candidate to do it. I mean, I still think it's sad how you and many others don't think policy matters, but atleast you are a little more genuine than the people who just say "Well Trump says a lot of bad things but is a liar that will actually do good things, while Clinton says a lot of good things but is a liar that will actually do bad things". [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50526190]That's kind of just your opinion. Policy matters far more once they're in office and people ought to take notice of them before voting. No, it's not the most important thing that matters, but it is one of the most important things.[/QUOTE] I don't know what would be more important than policy and I can't grasp why someone would elect a president on anything but policy. I'm not electing these people to be my friends or treasurer of the homeowners association, I'm trying to find the person best equipped to run the executive branch of the United States government.

I think character plays a small part. After all, all candidates are human. We're not electing a robot that follows policy to the T. But I think it ought to have a minor role compared to policies.