Half a Brain Later, No More Seizures - Polidicks

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;41946484]I'm no doctor, could someone explain how this would affect performing daily tasks and body functions?[/QUOTE] Do it young enough and it wont [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ShazzyFreak0;41948348]yeah sure, use cannabis oil on your own kid instead of opting with a medical procedure that's been done before and has worked. seriously, cannabis oil? are they supposed to get their kid high every time a seizure happens or something?[/QUOTE] both cannabis oil and THC have some really awesome medical uses, for epilepsy, and really any seizures THC is fucking amazing. I'm not saying go smoke a joint if you have epilepsy, I'm saying talk to a doctor about getting THC in pill form, as you can do that. [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=bravehat;41948221]Probably not very much, while the brain has areas that are dedicated to certain things like processing visual data and the like it's more than capable of reworking itself to change what certain areas do. Although he probably has issues with the whole artistic/logic balance in the brain now.[/QUOTE] That whole artistic/logic thing is BS [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;41948260]not everything can be solved with cannabis[/QUOTE] Seizures are one of the things that it can help an incredible amount with, to the point of completely stopping them

[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;41947139]Here we go. [video=youtube;82tlVcq6E7A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82tlVcq6E7A[/video][/QUOTE] It seems like a much better bargain than having 50% of your brain gone.

[QUOTE=ShazzyFreak0;41948348]yeah sure, use cannabis oil on your own kid instead of opting with a medical procedure that's been done before and has worked. seriously, cannabis oil? are they supposed to get their kid high every time a seizure happens or something?[/QUOTE] You're pathetically misinformed. You can use doses of cannabis that won't get your kid high, yet still effectively treat the problem at hand. Opting with a medical procedure that's been done before is all well and good, but fuck me if I won't try everything else [I]before[/I] I decide to [B]remove half of my kid's brain.[/B] If you would happily skip along with whatever medical treatment is recommended since it's "been done before and worked", you'd be a shitty parent, especially with an irreversible and potentially life-changing procedure, like... you know, removing half the brain. Also, there are different strains of cannabis that have different effects. I'm not heavy into the lingo, but IIRC the type of cannabis that makes you feel heavy and couch-locky is the one that works better with seizures, not the one that makes you get the giggles. It's funny how people can't even so much as mention cannabis without getting shot down for being "another stoner" or something. I'm pretty sure the reason my post got rated dumb was because I mentioned cannabis. Like viperfan said, cannabis - when used correctly - can have awesome medical benefits. [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] You come across as a patronizing ass by the way, along with your other two posts in this thread.

There's another surgery that cuts the corpus callosum so the two halves of the brain don't communicate as much. That surgery doesn't seem as extreme as a hemispherectomy. My mom is missing most of her corpus callosum but she's of normal intelligence and didn't find out til she was in her late 40's. She has maybe 50,000 nerves up there when her neurologist said normal people have millions. It does fuck with her though,she doesn't get some things and it's harder for her to learn new things.

Isn't there a certain age when your brain starts telling what the cells need to do? The brain is "folded" at birth, then gradually shapes up to what it's supposed to be like later. That way, very early on, removing half the brain only detriments slight decrease in capacity. The brain will still function as normal because isn't some seizures an electric convulsive jump between brain hemispheres? So removing half the brain would prevent it from jumping.

[QUOTE=loopoo;41948487]You're pathetically misinformed. You can use doses of cannabis that won't get your kid high, yet still effectively treat the problem at hand. Opting with a medical procedure that's been done before is all well and good, but fuck me if I won't try everything else [I]before[/I] I decide to [B]remove half of my kid's brain.[/B][/QUOTE] it's been done before and has been proven to work, so I can't understand why you would still opt for a method that you have yet to describe the benefits of other than "inject the oils, it's medical". opting for the tried and true method seems more beneficial than experimenting with a human life before using a working method.

Because typically the cannabis oils have a much, much, [i]much[/i] lower chance of serious side-affects or accidents. If a surgeon messes up during a brain surgery, whoops there goes extra functionality and potentially your life. If you accidentally give your kid too much THC, - assuming you give him so much that it causes an actual reaction - the emergency room can generally stabilize them without any long-term side-affects.

[QUOTE=lxmach1;41948718]it's been done before and has been proven to work, so I can't understand why you would still opt for a method that you have yet to describe the benefits of other than "inject the oils, it's medical". opting for the tried and true method seems more beneficial than experimenting with a human life before using a working method.[/QUOTE] lol, are you serious? You talk as if removing half of a person's brain is something you do lightly, because "it's been tried and tested". It's nothing about injecting the oils, it's about making a tincture of it and giving your child small doses and finding the dose that works for them. Like I said, I'm not a whizz on the subject, but it's been shown to work in the past and the worst case scenario is giving the kid too much (which you'd have to be extremely stupid to do) and them ending up having a bout of paranoia that lasted all of 3 hours, unlike brain surgery which can go wrong and ruin the rest of your life. People are honestly replying with "it's been done before" as if that's all the answer you need to go ahead and remove someone's brain. Am I the only one finding that ridiculous? If it was personally my own child, I would exhaust any other method first, before going down the route of brain surgery. [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] It's also hardly experimenting with a human life. It's cannabis oil, it's not going to have some life-threatening consequence or cause your child to become screwed up for the rest of their life. The benefit far outweighs the disadvantage. Brain surgery has more risk, how are people not realizing this?

[QUOTE=loopoo;41948972] People are honestly replying with "it's been done before" as if that's all the answer you need to go ahead and remove someone's brain. Am I the only one finding that ridiculous?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=loopoo;41948972]I'm not a whizz on the subject, but it's been shown to work in the past[/QUOTE] I doubt giving doses of cannabis oil to your child continuously until it works is much better than getting brain surgery from trained professionals, so I don't think it's as ridiculous as you seem to make it out to be.

[QUOTE=lxmach1;41948718]it's been done before and has been proven to work, so I can't understand why you would still opt for a method that you have yet to describe the benefits of other than "inject the oils, it's medical". opting for the tried and true method seems more beneficial than experimenting with a human life before using a working method.[/QUOTE] Label it as "tried and tested" as you want, removing half a brain seems far more experimental to me than ingesting some fucking plant oils. Lobotomies were a "tried and tested" procedure once too, you know. C'mon, just take the ice pick. You don't want to experiment with a human life, do you? The procedure was obviously a success in this case but I think if I were a parent I'd try everything before doing something as radical as removing half of my child's fragile mind

[QUOTE=iJeax;41946445]It blows my mind how you can live without one half of your brain and be somewhat normal, if not completely normal.[/QUOTE] Well I mean it's possible to be insane when you are without a brain according to popular belief so I'm not too surprised.

[QUOTE=lxmach1;41948993]I doubt giving doses of cannabis oil to your child continuously until it works is much better than getting brain surgery from trained professionals, so I don't think it's as ridiculous as you seem to make it out to be.[/QUOTE] You're dense. Just because trained professionals are involved does not mean mistakes can't or won't happen. Aside from the fact that brain surgery is incredibly risky, the grey matter is still a relatively grey area in terms of medical science. I highly doubt we're aware of the full ramifications of these types of procedures yet. Yet you insist that highly invasive and dangerous surgery, with no guarantee that it would work, is preferable to briefly attempting an alternative and far less dubious treatment ?

[QUOTE=Furioso;41949034]You're dense. Just because trained professionals are involved does not mean mistakes can't or won't happen. Aside from the fact that brain surgery is incredibly risky, the grey matter is still a relatively grey area in terms of medical science. I highly doubt we're aware of the full ramifications of these types of procedures yet. Yet you insist that highly invasive and dangerous surgery, with no guarantee that it would work, is preferable to briefly attempting an alternative and far less dubious treatment ?[/QUOTE] how is what I said dense? there are explanations and specific techniques and methods when it comes to brain surgery, while I've yet to see specific reasons how plant oils cure brain damage other than "it just can, you just inject until it works". I would certainly change my mind when solid evidence and specific treatments emerge from using the oil with research, but until then it sounds more like a gamble to me.

[QUOTE=lxmach1;41949048]how is what I said dense? there are explanations and specific techniques and methods when it comes to brain surgery, while I've yet to see specific reasons how plant oils cure brain damage other than "it just can, you just inject until it works". I would certainly change my mind when solid evidence and specific treatments emerge from using the oil with research, but until then it sounds more like a gamble to me.[/QUOTE] This isn't exactly a 'pick one or the other' situation. Brain surgery is a [i]really[/i] big deal, hell even normal surgery isn't exactly an easy decision. Cannabis oils have shown to treat some similar cases, so why wouldn't you give it a shot before [i]potentially fatal brain surgery[/i]?

[QUOTE=lxmach1;41949048]how is what I said dense? there are explanations and specific techniques and methods when it comes to brain surgery, while [B]I've yet to see specific reasons how plant oils cure brain damage other than "it just can, you just inject until it works[/B]". I would certainly change my mind when solid evidence and specific treatments emerge from using the oil with research, but until then it sounds more like a gamble to me.[/QUOTE] As opposed to "cut out half the brain, it works"? Dude, medical and scientific research is almost [I]never[/I] indicative of absolute truths, only observed trends. Just because there's evidence leading to one conclusion over another doesn't mean that shit can't happen, on the operating table or after the procedure or otherwise. Perhaps it's a difference of opinions but I still think brain surgery that may or may not work is more of a gamble than the equivalent of taking medicine that may or may not work

[QUOTE=lxmach1;41949048]how is what I said dense? there are explanations and specific techniques and methods when it comes to brain surgery, while I've yet to see specific reasons how plant oils cure brain damage other than "it just can, you just inject until it works". I would certainly change my mind when solid evidence and specific treatments emerge from using the oil with research, but until then it sounds more like a gamble to me.[/QUOTE] Who said anything about injecting? Are you one of those people that believe in weed needles? The entire point of a tincture is for it to be ingested. Marijuana isn't some destructive drug, especially when used in low doses, in a controlled manner, under strict observation. Surgery is a massive deal, stop being so ignorant. It makes me sad to think people like you exist. [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Furioso;41949082]As opposed to "cut out half the brain, it works"? Dude, medical and scientific research is almost [I]never[/I] indicative of absolute truths, only observed trends. Just because there's evidence leading to one conclusion over another doesn't mean that shit can't happen, on the operating table or after the procedure or otherwise. Perhaps it's a difference of opinions but I still think brain surgery that may or may not work is more of a gamble than the equivalent of taking medicine that may or may not work[/QUOTE] Especially since the door is always open for surgery. But once you've removed half your brain, yeah. Good luck getting it back. I'll try medication over surgery any day if it isn't a life / death situation.

[QUOTE=loopoo;41949108]Who said anything about injecting? Are you one of those people that believe in weed needles? The entire point of a tincture is for it to be ingested. Marijuana isn't some destructive drug, especially when used in low doses, in a controlled manner, under strict observation. Surgery is a massive deal, stop being so ignorant. It makes me sad to think people like you exist.[/QUOTE] I had thought the most efficient method would have been through injection and had not alluded to any of the things you believe I said, and you continue to call me ignorant while not actually attempting to enlighten me otherwise. you would be better off posting where you get your information, as you appear to know enough to consider me ignorant.

[QUOTE=lxmach1;41949164]I had thought the most efficient method would have been through injection and had not alluded to any of the things you believe I said, and you continue to call me ignorant while not actually attempting to enlighten me otherwise.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=loopoo;41948972]It's nothing about injecting the oils, it's about making a tincture of it[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;41949169][/QUOTE] honestly, I doubt he knew what tincture meant, although I presume he's going to frantically google it now

[URL]http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/10/health/medical-marijuana-child[/URL] [URL]http://www.modbee.com/2013/08/09/2855216/as-modesto-dad-treats-son-with.html[/URL] [URL]http://gazette.com/medicinal-marijuana-stops-seizures-brings-hope-to-a-little-black-forest-girl/article/1502070[/URL] [URL]http://www.ladybud.com/2013/04/15/i-break-the-law-to-treat-my-epileptic-child-with-cannabis/[/URL] If you're wanting me to link you to a scientific article outlining the procedure, I'm afraid I can't help there. If you're wanting me to give you the method and science behind it, I'm afraid I can't help you there. I'm not an expert in the field of medical marijuana, and sadly most of it is trial and error (and thankfully the errors are non-life threatening), and scientific articles aren't really around due to the illegality of marijuana. [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Furioso;41949195]honestly, I doubt he knew what tincture meant, although I presume he's going to frantically google it now[/QUOTE] He comes across as one of those pedants who furiously try to portray the image that they are so much smarter than everyone else.

[QUOTE=The First 11'er;41946484]I'm no doctor, could someone explain how this would affect performing daily tasks and body functions?[/QUOTE] When it's done at age three it doesn't. He had it done so early that the remaining hemisphere has no trouble taking up the slack. He never had to relearn very much. In adults it can take a few years to relearn everything, though.

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;41946811]I give up. A brain is not a computer. Half of it that can [B]change itself over time[/B] to function close to a full brain doesn't make it twice as good.[/QUOTE] It only takes half a brain to understand this concept, sheesh.

Holy shit, half of your brain gone must have SOME effect. Maybe the scientists don't even know yet, but glad to hear it has also fixed the severe seizures the kid was suffering from

Seeing the videos of those lobotomy patients seriously broke my heart, it fucking sucked. Stuck constantly seizing or talking to yourself, living a nightmare that you aren't even aware of. Messing with brains is usually a bad idea.

Now he can say "anybody with half a brain should know (insert fact here), I should know!"

[QUOTE=loopoo;41950080]Seeing the videos of those lobotomy patients seriously broke my heart, it fucking sucked. Stuck constantly seizing or talking to yourself, living a nightmare that you aren't even aware of. Messing with brains is usually a bad idea.[/QUOTE] Depending on how you change the brain you will see many different effects (obviously). Comparing this to lobotomisation isn't right, at least with this surgery your life can continue mostly unaltered, as with most neurosurgery today really. For someone so against messing with brains, you sure are in favour of drugs (you know, mind altering substances that change how shit is perceived to you?) While the Cannabis oil method has a history of working in certain cases, what's to say this isn't one of them? And I'd expect the kid would need to use them for the rest of his life to avoid seizures, relying on any medicine for your life would suck.

I wasn't saying cannabis comes without risk, but it sure as hell doesn't approach anywhere near the level of danger / risk that comes part and parcel with brain surgery. It's not a wonder drug, don't get me wrong, but it has been shown to work with minimal side effects. It really doesn't tamper with or affect the brain as drastically as people credit it for. It's short-term effects can be easily avoided (and the drug can stop being issued if they're serious), and long-term effects are pretty much slim since the doses required for seizure prevention is quite low. You don't have to get the kid whammed out of his mind for it to work. For all we know, 10 years from now we could make leaps and bounds in our understanding of the brain. The EU just signed a grant for 1 billion euro on brain research. So yeah, the kid might be on the cannabinoid tincture for the rest of his life (which really isn't that bad, the worst case scenario is he'd be lethargic most of the time, in a heavy / sluggish sense), or he could be on it for 10 years or so and then a better cure comes out. Also, I wasn't comparing the lobotomisation to this, it was a random post that I'd remembered cause of this whole brain stuff.

Ahh fair enough with the lobotomisation post :v: As you were mentioning it earlier I assumed it was the same context. We might find in the future that this surgery does have certain effects we didn't notice before, but from past examples of it, it does seem mostly safe if performed right, having more knowledge of the brain to remove the need to remove such a large amount of brain would be a lot nicer mind.

[QUOTE=dwt110;41946455]the younger you get something like this done the more time your body has to develop everything only in the remaining brain[/QUOTE] And the more deformed you skull will be once fully grown.

Another video showing the results of disconecting the 2 halves of the brain from each other [video=youtube;8KmJ7-pmNhw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KmJ7-pmNhw&feature=youtu.be[/video]