Government could strip citizenship from Americans under Enemy Expatriation Act - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Hidole555;34273713]Actually that number is around 45% of America is armed. Still, let's just hold up for a moment. The way America will change is not going to be through some bloody revolution that ends with the Sack of D.C. and new congressmen, election system etc. The first and foremost thing we must push for is election reform. The current First-past-the-post system we have only serves to amplify two-party politics, the same two-party politics that have our country in gridlock and prevents useful legislation and promotes oppressive legislation. With a reformed election process using a system like the Alternative vote or better, we will be able to elect independent congressmen who are not bound by party ideology, people who will actually serve to represent the people, rather than government's twisted perception of them. We must abandon the parties, for they have turned on us. We must rally around and promote election reform. Then, with a larger faction of independents, Democrats and Republicans will be unable to singe-handedly hold up the legislative process. In short, the root cause of the U.S. not passing legislation such as election reform and preventing corporations from buying congress is the greed of both parties. They know that setting the system straight is suicide for their party, so it must be brought about by popular demand.[/QUOTE] Well what would you replace it with? Personally, I'd go for proportional representation with easier ballot access.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34273669]Went to some meetings and it never went past sitting around with signs. I applaud the effort but it didn't go anywhere, at least not in my area. There are 90 civilian-owned firearms for every 100 US citizens but this does not mean that 90% of US citizens have firearms, or anything close to it. Many families that are armed (excluding firearm enthusiasts) have one or two guns, generally for self-defense. "every single right" Well let's see, still have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to bear arms, what have you. Yes the police brutality is an important issue but Ron Paul sure as shit isn't going to regulate them any harder to make it go away. He'll leave it up to the states like everything else that deals with rights.[/QUOTE] Let's see for how long you still have all those. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihHd9uZKaJg[/url] [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=RichyZ;34273670] but whatever, keep spouting your xenophobic conspiracy shit, have a nice day[/QUOTE] The way to end a discussion that you have lost is to just step away and ponder about what has been said. Flinging wild and unfounded accusations out of desperation achieves nothing. More luck next time.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34273239]ahahahaha obama hasn't fucked up oh man that was a funny joke.[/QUOTE] You're a fool. Really. Compared to the shit Bush pulled Obama is like fucking jesus christ on a super-bike on fire shooting free burgers everywhere while simeltaneously punching out Beezlebub and saving babies from burning buildings.

[QUOTE=Hidole555;34273713]Actually that number is around 45% of America is armed. Still, let's just hold up for a moment. The way America will change is not going to be through some bloody revolution that ends with the Sack of D.C. and new congressmen, election system etc. The first and foremost thing we must push for is election reform. The current First-past-the-post system we have only serves to amplify two-party politics, the same two-party politics that have our country in gridlock and prevents useful legislation and promotes oppressive legislation. With a reformed election process using a system like the Alternative vote or better, we will be able to elect independent congressmen who are not bound by party ideology, people who will actually serve to represent the people, rather than government's twisted perception of them. We must abandon the parties, for they have turned on us. We must rally around and promote election reform. Then, with a larger faction of independents, Democrats and Republicans will be unable to singe-handedly hold up the legislative process. In short, the root cause of the U.S. not passing legislation such as election reform and preventing corporations from buying congress is the greed of both parties. They know that setting the system straight is suicide for their party, so it must be brought about by popular demand. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] The House.[/QUOTE] This is actually a very good step by step process to a solution that won't just stop the symptoms, but actually disable the root cause. I may be quickly getting carried away and call to arms, but what if those possible remedies become inachieveable due to growing corruption?

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34273396]By the way the same rhetoric could be used for completely innocent arab people who still got murdered by your forces because there are some arab people who are unhappy with the unjustified occupation of [B]the middle east.[/B] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=RichyZ;34273517]occupy is sort of a revolution if you think we can have an armed revolution here, you're a fucking moron. consider how the us decimated [B]the middle east[/B], they would do just the same to itself if we had a revolution[/QUOTE] Since when is the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan considered the whole of the Middle East?

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;34274084]Since when is the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan considered the whole of the Middle East?[/QUOTE] And we're not even in Iraq anymore.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34274300]And we're not even in Iraq anymore.[/QUOTE] Oh no, you silly fool, we're still there, just under the guise of Blackwater and the One World Government and New World Order troops stationed there. Also oil.

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;34274084]Since when is the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan considered the whole of the Middle East?[/QUOTE] I think he's also referring to the shit regimes the US props up in the middle east, and the bases there [editline]19th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;34274300]And we're not even in Iraq anymore.[/QUOTE] except for the four permanent bases?

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34273201]We already knew this. And isn't Ron Paul said to "own" the internet?[/QUOTE] Al Gore?

[QUOTE=Contag;34274360]except for the four permanent bases?[/QUOTE] If this is your criteria for whether we are 'occupying' a country, then it appears we are also 'occupying' several European nations as well as South Korea and Japan.

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34273300]As opposed to voting for the other multinational corporation puppets who are turboshit in literally [i]every department[/i] you are telling me I should not vote for the one guy who atleast has the right ideas in the departments that actually matter because they contain human suffering, death, destruction, torture, poverty, terrorism, surveillance, police brutality and hatred? Do you even believe in the shit you are saying? Get your assbackwards country out of the worlds business first before you can care about damage control. Frankly, the world does not give a shit if americans suffer under Paul, the world has suffered enough under america. Keep that shit in mind before you talk shit about Paul.[/QUOTE] As soon as someone calls someone a corporate puppet, I stop taking them seriously. Edit: yeh u guyz r rite dat wuz dum all govermnt peepol r corprite pupits!!!1!!! fite da powrrrr!!!11!1111!!@!@!@!!!!1

Since this is now a Ron Paul debate thread.... ATTENTION ALL RON PAUL SUPPORTERS RON PAUL IS LYING ABOUT AND/OR HEAVILY DOWNPLAYING HIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE RACIST CONTENT OF THE NEWSLETTERS PUBLISHED DIRECTLY UNDER HIS NAME IN 1996 HE DID NOT DENY WRITING THE NEWSLETTERS AND SEEMED PERFECTLY KNOWING OF THEIR RACIST CONTENTS HE ONLY BEGAN DENYING KNOWLEDGE OR AUTHORSHIP ONCE HE WAS RUNNING FOR POSITIONS ON THE NATIONAL SCALE

[QUOTE=Spooter;34279679]Since this is now a Ron Paul debate thread.... ATTENTION ALL RON PAUL SUPPORTERS RON PAUL IS LYING ABOUT AND/OR HEAVILY DOWNPLAYING HIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE RACIST CONTENT OF THE NEWSLETTERS PUBLISHED DIRECTLY UNDER HIS NAME IN 1996 HE DID NOT DENY WRITING THE NEWSLETTERS AND SEEMED PERFECTLY KNOWING OF THEIR RACIST CONTENTS HE ONLY BEGAN DENYING KNOWLEDGE OR AUTHORSHIP ONCE HE WAS RUNNING FOR POSITIONS ON THE NATIONAL SCALE[/QUOTE] Hey little man, time to actually check the facts. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=95CagSkXZYc[/url]

[QUOTE=d10sfan;34279288]Al Gore?[/QUOTE] Nonono, silly Al Gore INVENTED the Internet. He doesn't own it. :v:

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34280777]Hey little man, time to actually check the facts. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=95CagSkXZYc[/url][/QUOTE] Time for you to check the facts as well. [url]http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/dec/30/ron-paul/ron-paul-says-newsletters-contained-only-eight-or-/[/url] I won't say that Ron Paul is racist, I don't have proof of that. But I do have definitive proof that Ron Paul is lying at the very least about his knowledge of the newsletters' contents. Here is a report from the Dallas Morning News late last year about the scrutiny he's faced recently about them: [url]http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/perry-watch/headlines/20111222-ron-paul-faces-new-scrutiny-about-racist-statements-in-newsletters-from-decades-ago.ece[/url] [QUOTE=The Dallas Morning News]In a 1996 interview with The News, Paul did not deny that he wrote the articles, which went to between 7,000 and 8,000 subscribers. He called complaints about them “typical political demagoguery.”[/QUOTE] And here is the 1996 interview that they mention: [url]http://www.criticalreactor.com/ronpaul/newsletters/1996_Dallas_Morning_News.html[/url] [QUOTE=The 1996 Interview]In the interview, [B]he did not deny he made the statement about the swiftness of black men[/B]. "If you try to catch someone that has stolen a purse from you, there is no chance to catch them," Dr. Paul said. [B]He also said the comment about black men in the nation's capital was made while writing about a 1992 study[/B] produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, a criminal justice think tank based in Virginia. Citing statistics from the study, Dr. Paul then concluded in his column: `Given the inef! ficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, [B]I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal[/B]." "These aren't my figures," Dr. Paul said Tuesday. "That is the assumption you can gather from" the report[/QUOTE] Ron Paul, in this interview, did NOT deny authorship once. And if you read it, you'll see that the article states plainly that he [I]wrote[/I] the passages and not once does he deny he wrote them or show remorse for doing so. Is Ron Paul racist, here and now? I can't say for sure. Views change, people change. But is he lying about his involvement and knowledge of newsletters' content? Yes.