Renault Goes Full Retard: Creates Electric Car with DRM in the FUCKING BATTERY
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[QUOTE=snookypookums;42868103]Wait, this is an article(Boing boing), that quotes another newspaper(Der Spiegel) that quotes....a post on some forum?
article translated from Der Spiegel says this :
This could be a big steaming pile of bullshit for all we know, some guys idea of a laugh. I doubt this has any validity whatsoever :v:[/QUOTE]
I take it everybody just missed this:
[quote]Reason of the rebellion: a passage from the lease for the battery of Zoe [/quote]
It's a [i]lease[/i]. It's renting the car. What does it matter if you're paying a monthly fee for the battery or paying a monthly fee for the car itself? What difference does it make to the end user?
[QUOTE=catbarf;42868290]I take it everybody just missed this:
It's a [i]lease[/i]. It's renting the car. What does it matter if you're paying a monthly fee for the battery or paying a monthly fee for the car itself? What difference does it make to the end user?[/QUOTE]
Well, that line you quote right there says from the lease for the BATTERY, so I think it means that even if you buy the car, you only lease the battery, and that's where the fuckery comes in.
[QUOTE=catbarf;42868290]I take it everybody just missed this:
It's a [i]lease[/i]. It's renting the car. What does it matter if you're paying a monthly fee for the battery or paying a monthly fee for the car itself? What difference does it make to the end user?[/QUOTE]
I dunno - That was a result of my shitty Google translate I had to do on the original article, so I wasn't sure whether that was the intended word they were using or not. Perhaps a german user of FP can read that bit of the article to confirm for us that it was, in fact, about the lease of the battery.
To be honest, considering the source we don't even know if this "lease" document is original or not - it could also be fabricated.
As if we needed even more of a reason to laugh at electric cars they figure out how to put DRM on them. Good going Renault. Hope it bombs so horribly your EV department has to be closed.
The lowest price per month you can get on the battery(which has no option to buy mind you) is 70 GBP. And that gets you a maximum milage of 7500 a year and you must get a contract for 36 months, with a 0.045 pence charge per mile over your limit.
In my opinion, that it bullshit, considering you have to pay this even if you own the vehicle.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;42863406][img]http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Renault_Zoe_on_MIAS_20121.jpg[/img]
also it looks like this[/QUOTE]
It looks like a fat, angry bird.
It is a shame since rubbish like this will put people off of electric cars.
Also if you cracked the battery I can imagine your car insurance being void also.
[QUOTE=daijitsu;42863112]devil's advocate- maybe it's a super low fee just to say "Yes I'm here" and if you stop making payments it's assumed the car was stolen or something? or maybe it's an optional package specifically for rental places to hold more control[/QUOTE]
it's sad that you're even entertaining the idea of anyone being remotely okay with this.
you've been ass-raped by drm so many times that you're becoming desensitized to it like a drugged up sex slave.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;42863694]Except tesla, they actually makes cars that looks nice and is something I could see myself driving.[/QUOTE]
It's hardly a fair comparison. A Tesla Model S prices start just shy of £50000, the Zoe is, er £14000.
[QUOTE=Doozle;42869195]It's hardly a fair comparison. A Tesla Model S prices start just shy of £50000, the Zoe is, er £14000.[/QUOTE]Good car design requires a roughly 357% price increase?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42867453]Why does someone have to play devil's advocate? Is that necessary for some reason? Do we actually need someone to defend a stupid idea?[/QUOTE]
It's about putting things into perspective, looking at it from a new angle instead of just circlejerking around the same conclusion. Bringing up alternative arguments allows for them to be debunked, further cementing that the idea is indeed a stupid one.
Renault needs to go back to this:
[IMG]http://www.escalamotor.es/149-362-large/renault-5-turbo-gerard-larousse-limited-edition-yellow-black.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=CottonTM;42869151]it's sad that you're even entertaining the idea of anyone being remotely okay with this.
you've been ass-raped by drm so many times that you're becoming desensitized to it like a drugged up sex slave.[/QUOTE]
Could you possibly be even more hyperbolic?
Getting outraged over a leasing legal structure and using a downright [I]wrong[/I] comparison (hint: go look up what the 'D' in DRM stands for) is just trying to stir up shit. You sign a lease. You pay per month. You use the car. If you stop paying, the car stops working. It's the exact same legal model that lets you lease any other car, or lease a boat, or pay for a house by mortgage, or rent an apartment.
Maybe sometime later they'll allow the option to buy the battery, so you can spend a lot of money upfront for an object with very limited life. You'll have a more limited warranty on it and by the time you recoup the initial cost it'll probably be reaching its cycle limit.
Have you seen the Tesla's battery? It has a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster#Battery_system"]seven-year lifespan[/URL] and a battery replacement costs about $36k. If you leased the battery for $428 (!!!) per month you would break even, and still have the added benefit of not paying it all up front. Even compared to Tesla's 'pre-payment' plan of $12k, that's still equivalent to over $140 per month. What on earth is wrong with using a lease model for this?
They're leasing the part of the car that will not last nearly as long as the rest of it and represents a significant monetary sink if it fails. If you don't like the idea of leasing a car, well, don't lease it. Problem solved. But complaining that it's 'DRM' is just stupid.
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