In Pine Bush, New York, Jewish children are targets of antisemitism. Local mechanic on the Jews "We
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[QUOTE=be;42823935]You are no different from racists when you generalize racists, you may think their beliefs are wrong, but that doesn't give you the right to completely cast them aside as if they are barely worthy of your consideration, do you not see the parallels this sort of situation has with other situations where groups were discriminated against for their beliefs? I don't care how wrong you think they are, they are free to believe whatever they want as long as they don't hurt anyone, just like anyone else. While that may seem wrong to you, it's even more wrong to suggest we take away people's dignity because you don't agree with them.[/QUOTE]
no racism is wrong no matter what. it's ignorant and stupid and hateful and harmful to society as a whole. there is no justification for it and noone who is openly racist deserves respect. obviously they're free to keep their beliefs, i'm not tying them up and saying i'll kill them if they don't stop being racist, i'm just gonna call them out as the ignorant moronic fuckwits they are
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[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42823969]Yes but you cant just go completly disregard them as people, or generalize them without being hypocrite[/QUOTE]
there is nothing hypocritical about what i'm doing. racists: judging entire groups of people based on shared colour or ethnic background. me: judging entire groups of people based on the shared belief that an entire race or ethnic background is inferior or deserving of mistreatment.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42823971]no racism is wrong no matter what. it's ignorant and stupid and hateful and harmful to society as a whole. there is no justification for it and noone who is openly racist deserves respect. obviously they're free to keep their beliefs, i'm not tying them up and saying i'll kill them if they don't stop being racist, i'm just gonna call them out as the ignorant moronic fuckwits they are[/QUOTE]
no atheism is wrong no matter what. it's ignorant stupid and hateful and harmful to society as a whole. there is no justification for it and noone who is openly atheist deserves respect. obviously they're free to keep their beliefs, i'm not tying them up and saying i'll kill them if they don't stop being racist, i'm just gonna call them out as the ignorant moronic fuckwits they are
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no homosexuality is wrong no matter what. it's gross and unnatural and hateful and harmful to society as a whole. there is no justification for it and noone who is openly gay deserves respect. obviously they're free to keep their beliefs, i'm not tying them up and saying i'll kill them if they don't stop being gay, i'm just gonna call them out as the gross disgusting faggots they are
[QUOTE=be;42823962]So they are less intelligent than you, how is that any different from treating them like sub-humans?[/QUOTE]
well i guess when you have a ridiculous concept of what treating someone as sub-human is it's no different.
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[QUOTE=be;42823999]no atheism is wrong no matter what. it's ignorant stupid and hateful and harmful to society as a whole. there is no justification for it and noone who is openly atheist deserves respect. obviously they're free to keep their beliefs, i'm not tying them up and saying i'll kill them if they don't stop being racist, i'm just gonna call them out as the ignorant moronic fuckwits they are
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no homosexuality is wrong no matter what. it's gross and unnatural and hateful and harmful to society as a whole. there is no justification for it and noone who is openly gay deserves respect. obviously they're free to keep their beliefs, i'm not tying them up and saying i'll kill them if they don't stop being gay, i'm just gonna call them out as the gross disgusting faggots they are[/QUOTE]
atheism: the lack of belief in a higher power. homosexuality: being sexually attracted to the same sex. racism: treating or believing an entire race or ethnicity as inferior to your own. your comparisons are asinine
Point isn't that those are the same situations, but rather that people that believe what you believe are horrible.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42823881]i disagree that they deserve to be treated with respect, and i disagree with being able to properly argue with them, because racism is unreasonable at it's core. [/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;9Y7IqMOyF8c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y7IqMOyF8c[/video]
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42824003]well i guess when you have a ridiculous concept of what treating someone as sub-human is it's no different.
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atheism: the lack of belief in a higher power. homosexuality: being sexually attracted to the same sex. racism: treating or believing an entire race or ethnicity as inferior to your own. your comparisons are asinine[/QUOTE]
That wasn't the purpose, what you said was from the perspective of someone hating on a certain group of people, it is therefore fair to be able to substitute any group in there, no matter how different the scenarios may be. In the end, no matter how ridiculous you find their beliefs (in the case of atheism) or how much you disagree with their lifestyles (in the case of homosexuality), it is wrong to say what you said.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42823971]no racism is wrong no matter what. it's ignorant and stupid and hateful and harmful to society as a whole. there is no justification for it and noone who is openly racist deserves respect. obviously they're free to keep their beliefs, i'm not tying them up and saying i'll kill them if they don't stop being racist, i'm just gonna call them out as the ignorant moronic fuckwits they are
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there is nothing hypocritical about what i'm doing. racists: judging entire groups of people based on shared colour or ethnic background. me: judging entire groups of people based on the shared belief that an entire race or ethnic background is inferior or deserving of mistreatment.[/QUOTE]
you literally just called them inferior, like I said its a bit hypocrtical, Yes Rascism is wrong but someone is not inferior for having such beliefs, possibly misguided yes but not inferior
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42824030]you literally just called them inferior, like I said its a bit hypocrtical, Yes Rascism is wrong but someone is not inferior for having such beliefs, possibly misguided yes but not inferior[/QUOTE]
The funny part is that if I were to call the Taliban/Muslims inferior for believing in a "hateful and harmful" whatever the fuck, he would be totally against it, but here he stands preaching the same shit and he see's no problem whatsoever.
[QUOTE=fourkillmaster;42822862][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEKhgBye5K0[/media][/QUOTE]
fucking self-entitled cyclist cunts disrupting traffic as usual
[QUOTE=be;42824027]That wasn't the purpose, what you said was from the perspective of someone hating on a certain group of people, it is therefore fair to be able to substitute any group in there, no matter how different the scenarios may be. In the end, no matter how ridiculous you find their beliefs (in the case of atheism) or how much you disagree with their lifestyles (in the case of homosexuality), it is wrong to say what you said.[/QUOTE]
you're acting like being a racist is comparable to being gay or an atheist when it's not.
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[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42824030]you literally just called them inferior, like I said its a bit hypocrtical, Yes Rascism is wrong but someone is not inferior for having such beliefs, possibly misguided yes but not inferior[/QUOTE]
i'm saying they're morons for holding ignorant and stupid beliefs.
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[QUOTE=be;42824049]The funny part is that if I were to call the Taliban/Muslims inferior for believing in a "hateful and harmful" whatever the fuck, he would be totally against it, but here he stands preaching the same shit and he see's no problem whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
except taliban and muslims aren't comparable in the same way that christians and the westboro baptist church aren't comparable
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42824057]you're acting like being a racist is comparable to being gay or an atheist when it's not.
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i'm saying they're morons for holding ignorant and stupid beliefs.[/QUOTE]
Why isn't it comparable to being atheist? Both of them are beliefs that some would believe is harmful.
I know it isn't comparable to being gay in that way, however what you said is very much reminiscent of what people say about gays, and again, that was my purpose.
[QUOTE=be;42824090]Why isn't it comparable to being atheist? Both of them are beliefs that some would believe is harmful.
I know it isn't comparable to being gay in that way, however what you said is very much reminiscent of what people say about gays, and again, that was my purpose.[/QUOTE]
ATHEISM: THE LACK OF BELIEF IN A HIGHER POWER. RACISM: THE BELIEF THAT AN ENTIRE RACE OR ETHNIC GROUP IS INFERIOR TO YOUR OWN.
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except taliban and muslims aren't comparable in the same way that christians and the westboro baptist church aren't comparable[/QUOTE]
okay that wasn't my fucking point, I'm saying that if I were to call Muslims/Taliban members inferior because of what they believe that it is likely you would defend them saying much the same things I have been saying, that they are just "poor unfortunate souls" in the case of the Taliban or "that's just like, your opinion man" in the case of Muslims in general.
[QUOTE=be;42824106]okay that wasn't my fucking point, I'm saying that if I were to call Muslims/Taliban members inferior because of what they believe that it is likely you would defend them saying much the same things I have been saying, that they are just "poor unfortunate souls" in the case of the Taliban or "that's just like, your opinion man" in the case of Muslims in general.[/QUOTE]
no i wouldn't. i think the taliban are a evil organization. if anything you'd be the one defending the taliban because apparently a belief is sacred just by virtue of it being a belief?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42824100]ATHEISM: THE LACK OF BELIEF IN A HIGHER POWER. RACISM: THE BELIEF THAT AN ENTIRE RACE OR ETHNIC GROUP IS INFERIOR TO YOUR OWN.[/QUOTE]
hey guys what's an analogy, I learned my understanding of linguistic devices from the same place I learned that humans deserve equal consideration and that considering them morons for disagreeing with me is wrong.
'no YOU'D support the taliban!' this is retarded
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42824116]no i wouldn't. i think the taliban are a evil organization. if anything you'd be the one defending the taliban because apparently a belief is sacred just by virtue of it being a belief?[/QUOTE]
Well I'd be defending the Taliban individuals by saying that they're just unfortunately misguided people, and I presume you'd do the same unless you're as much of an idiot as I think you are and aren't just guided by an aggression you feel against racists.
[QUOTE=be;42824117]hey guys what's an analogy, I learned my understanding of linguistic devices from the same place I learned that humans deserve equal consideration and that considering them morons for disagreeing with me is wrong.[/QUOTE]
hey guys what's false equivalence?
this has gotten convoluted, idk why I even try making analogies in arguments because I always don't make it 100% perfect and people spend the rest of the argument taking the analogy as if it was meant to be 100% fucking literal and perfect.
I DECLARE THIS ARGUMENT WON BY........ BE !!!:dance:
But seriously both f you, please just stfu this is the internet no need to get your tits tight over it
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42824127]hey guys what's false equivalence?[/QUOTE]
hey guys what's claiming something is false equivalence because of how far up your own ass you are?
atheism is a belief, racism is a belief, if you really can't see the parallels that can be made between someone condemning and considering atheists moronic for their beliefs and you yourself condemning and considering racists moronic for their beliefs, then you are lost in your hatred. hopefully you never get control of a country or else it will be some super dictatorship where anyone with opinions you disagree with will be branded as "morons"
[editline]10th November 2013[/editline]
Man I really hate religious people, their beliefs are harmful, hateful, and moronic. There is no purpose in treating them with respect or dignity because they have no ability to reason and utilize logic, so why should we give them the pleasure of living in our lands? Actually scratch that, let's just kill them all. Yes, nothing wrong here, their beliefs are undoubtedly wrong and I am undoubtedly correct, I should take no effort in attempting to educate people effectively by learning what causes them to believe in god, that be legitimizing their beliefs and as we all know, their beliefs are wrong
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What's that? this is terrible? Nah, they are wrong so this is a completely different situation.
"everyone is entitled to their own beliefs unless i disagree with them"
[QUOTE=abcpea;42824239]"everyone is entitled to their own beliefs unless i disagree with them"[/QUOTE]
I disagree with you sir, lets fight to the death
Are they really beliefs? I mean theyre so clearly wrong, they're more like mentally insane delusions... Hey I got it, they're all insane! We should lock them all up for society's safety.
Alright Be we get it, just have a lie down and a cup of tea, everything is gonnabe fine
Not with those "people" walking around it won't.
OK I'm done
Crazy how these are kids still in school and they know all these stereotypes. I had no idea about them until a couple of years ago.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42824396]Crazy how these are kids still in school and they know all these stereotypes. I had no idea about them until a couple of years ago.[/QUOTE]
Oh yea my school is like a melting pot for this shit
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42824423]Oh yea my school is like a melting pot for this shit[/QUOTE]
I see Jewish stereotypes being pretty complex compared to other schoolyard stereotypes and thats what really gets me.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42824461]I see Jewish stereotypes being pretty complex compared to other schoolyard stereotypes and thats what really gets me.[/QUOTE]
It is mostly the students hearing this kind of stuff from their redneck parents in PB. From there it spreads throughout the school and soon everyone knows the stereotypes, and some dumbasses actually think this stuff is true
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