Democrats Fret Aloud Over Obama’s Chances - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32266126]I hope so, but like I said before, with our climate it could go either way right now.[/QUOTE] So you're suggesting it would go even further to the right? Somehow I can't see that happening. [editline]13th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Amplar;32265825]i like how glaber is the only non-democrat on this whole forum and the entire forum of democrats just hate him for it lol politics[/QUOTE] Are you under the impression that anyone who isn't Conservative is a Democrat?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32267833] Are you under the impression that anyone who isn't Conservative is a Democrat?[/QUOTE] American politics can have that kind of framing effect.

[QUOTE=Amplar;32265825]i like how glaber is the only non-democrat on this whole forum and the entire forum of democrats just hate him for it lol politics[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? I know plenty of self-proclaimed Republicans on this forum, and even more people who simply disagree with both parties. Hell, even I'm not a Democrat. As it comes to social issues, I tend to be more liberally minded in the sense that I value the right to personal liberties, even those which I don't necessarily condone. The advance of science, medicine, and technology also makes me giddy with possibility. I believe that such fields should receive as much support as possible, and that we should also expend the effort into researching and securing more ecologically friendly energy sources and methods of production so that we can ensure a brighter future for the next generation of people. Seemingly contrary to my social views, I value a free market, with only the bare minimum of government regulation necessary to keep it fair and balanced. The economy is a living beast, and over a long enough period of time it can generally sort itself out when it hits snags. In the cases when it truly needs a bump in the ass, I'm not opposed to government intervention (after all, it's the government's job to keep our country running smoothly), but I prefer methods of regulation that are as unobtrusive as possible, and expire when the immediate threat is dealt with unless there exists sufficiently compelling reasons to uphold those policies. I also value a strong military force, however I think our military needs to be utilized for more isolationist purposes rather than offensive/expansionist ones. The military has the potential to be a tool of peace and construction as much as it does one of war and destruction. I'd like to see more active use of the country's military in urban reformation, public works projects, and humanitarian efforts within our borders. Essentially, I believe the military should be a volunteer organization that's as much responsible for helping to secure peace and stability within our borders as it is for doing it outside of them. This is a pretty damn general overview of my personal political shiftings, so don't read too much into them. They're idealistic, sure, but they're also constantly evolving, reacting to new experiences and adapting to new situations. I'm pretty centrist as far as things go, and I would not at all be opposed to voting for a moderate Republican candidate, nor a moderate Democrat, nor even a particularly impressive independent candidate (should one ever arise [and I certainly hope one does]). The reason I, and so many other people, dislike Glaber so much is [b]not[/b] that he's a Republican, but because he is an [i]arrogant, shortsighted, self-righteous, intellectually dishonest fool.[/i]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32270701]What are you talking about? I know plenty of self-proclaimed Republicans on this forum, and even more people who simply disagree with both parties. Hell, even I'm not a Democrat. As it comes to social issues, I tend to be more liberally minded in the sense that I value the right to personal liberties, even those which I don't necessarily condone. The advance of science, medicine, and technology also makes me giddy with possibility. I believe that such fields should receive as much support as possible, and that we should also expend the effort into researching and securing more ecologically friendly energy sources and methods of production so that we can ensure a brighter future for the next generation of people. Seemingly contrary to my social views, I value a free market, with only the bare minimum of government regulation necessary to keep it fair and balanced. The economy is a living beast, and over a long enough period of time it can generally sort itself out when it hits snags. In the cases when it truly needs a bump in the ass, I'm not opposed to government intervention (after all, it's the government's job to keep our country running smoothly), but I prefer methods of regulation that are as unobtrusive as possible, and expire when the immediate threat is dealt with unless there exists sufficiently compelling reasons to uphold those policies. I also value a strong military force, however I think our military needs to be utilized for more isolationist purposes rather than offensive/expansionist ones. The military has the potential to be a tool of peace and construction as much as it does one of war and destruction. I'd like to see more active use of the country's military in urban reformation, public works projects, and humanitarian efforts within our borders. Essentially, I believe the military should be a volunteer organization that's as much responsible for helping to secure peace and stability within our borders as it is for doing it outside of them. This is a pretty damn general overview of my personal political shiftings, so don't read too much into them. They're idealistic, sure, but they're also constantly evolving, reacting to new experiences and adapting to new situations. I'm pretty centrist as far as things go, and I would not at all be opposed to voting for a moderate Republican candidate, nor a moderate Democrat, nor even a particularly impressive independent candidate (should one ever arise [and I certainly hope one does]). The reason I, and so many other people, dislike Glaber so much is [b]not[/b] that he's a Republican, but because he is an [i]arrogant, shortsighted, self-righteous, intellectually dishonest fool.[/i][/QUOTE] Let me be the first to say - another stellar post by BDA.

Obama's base isn't going anywhere. They're plenty pissed off because all of his policies are drawn from Republican plans and he constantly caves to their demands, but in 2012 it's a choice between Obama and someone who thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old and uninsured people should be left to die.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;32271010]Obama's base isn't going anywhere. They're plenty pissed off because all of his policies are drawn from Republican plans and he constantly caves to their demands, but in 2012 it's a choice between Obama and someone who thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old and uninsured people should be left to die.[/QUOTE] The base isn't the problem. It's moderated, undecideds, and independents that make an election. Also, the Conservative base has grown a lot stronger since the TEA Party movement kicked off.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32271142]The base isn't the problem. It's moderated, undecideds, and independents that make an election. Also, the Conservative base has grown a lot stronger since the TEA Party movement kicked off.[/QUOTE] Not stronger, just louder. Ignore the polls, polls this early are a waste of time. It doesn't matter how much noise the candidates are making or much support it sounds like they're receiving, America will [i]never[/i] see a lunatic like Bachman or Palin or any of those other Tea Party nutters in office because, despite popular belief, the American public [i]isn't actually crazy[/i].

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32271284]Not stronger, just louder. Ignore the polls, polls this early are a waste of time. It doesn't matter how much noise the candidates are making or much support it sounds like they're receiving, America will [I]never[/I] see a lunatic like Bachman or Palin or any of those other Tea Party nutters in office.[/QUOTE] Maybe not a purely TEA Party candidate. It just has to be someone the TEA Party supports over Obama, which frankly could be a piece of shit tied to a string, if it wanted to lower taxes. With a strengthened base(it has strengthened) and quite a few displeased moderates and independents, it could go with the GOP next year.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32271284]Not stronger, just louder. Ignore the polls, polls this early are a waste of time. It doesn't matter how much noise the candidates are making or much support it sounds like they're receiving, America will [i]never[/i] see a lunatic like Bachman or Palin or any of those other Tea Party nutters in office because, despite popular belief, the American public [i]isn't actually crazy[/i].[/QUOTE] Here's hoping.

[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;32266112]My mom asked me if the tea party is some kind of group in a mental ward. USA Democrats are considered central or slightly right-wing here.[/QUOTE] How the HELL did you get your flag to be the EU one??

I mean, obviously there are enough crazies about to get them into office, just hopefully not the presidential one.

Guide to Glaber threads: Skip article rate dumb leave. The more you know

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32270701]What are you talking about? I know plenty of self-proclaimed Republicans on this forum, and even more people who simply disagree with both parties. Hell, even I'm not a Democrat. As it comes to social issues, I tend to be more liberally minded in the sense that I value the right to personal liberties, even those which I don't necessarily condone. The advance of science, medicine, and technology also makes me giddy with possibility. I believe that such fields should receive as much support as possible, and that we should also expend the effort into researching and securing more ecologically friendly energy sources and methods of production so that we can ensure a brighter future for the next generation of people. Seemingly contrary to my social views, I value a free market, with only the bare minimum of government regulation necessary to keep it fair and balanced. The economy is a living beast, and over a long enough period of time it can generally sort itself out when it hits snags. In the cases when it truly needs a bump in the ass, I'm not opposed to government intervention (after all, it's the government's job to keep our country running smoothly), but I prefer methods of regulation that are as unobtrusive as possible, and expire when the immediate threat is dealt with unless there exists sufficiently compelling reasons to uphold those policies. I also value a strong military force, however I think our military needs to be utilized for more isolationist purposes rather than offensive/expansionist ones. The military has the potential to be a tool of peace and construction as much as it does one of war and destruction. I'd like to see more active use of the country's military in urban reformation, public works projects, and humanitarian efforts within our borders. Essentially, I believe the military should be a volunteer organization that's as much responsible for helping to secure peace and stability within our borders as it is for doing it outside of them. This is a pretty damn general overview of my personal political shiftings, so don't read too much into them. They're idealistic, sure, but they're also constantly evolving, reacting to new experiences and adapting to new situations. I'm pretty centrist as far as things go, and I would not at all be opposed to voting for a moderate Republican candidate, nor a moderate Democrat, nor even a particularly impressive independent candidate (should one ever arise [and I certainly hope one does]). The reason I, and so many other people, dislike Glaber so much is [b]not[/b] that he's a Republican, but because he is an [i]arrogant, shortsighted, self-righteous, intellectually dishonest fool.[/i][/QUOTE] I disagree with you on the economics there, but as long as you'd be willing to compromise to get things done (and I certainly would too), you're miles better than the GOP.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32271284]Not stronger, just louder. Ignore the polls, polls this early are a waste of time. It doesn't matter how much noise the candidates are making or much support it sounds like they're receiving, America will [i]never[/i] see a lunatic like Bachman or Palin or any of those other Tea Party nutters in office because, despite popular belief, the American public [i]isn't actually crazy[/i].[/QUOTE] I certainly hope so, but all the same Obama needs to make a much better case of why the next 4 years won't be as shitty as the first. There's enough dumb people out there who think Bachmann can get them $2 gas to carry the election if the base and the moderates give up and stay home.

i always wonder why out of all the brilliant minds this country can produce we scrape the bottom of the shit-for-dicks when it comes to getting a president

[QUOTE=TBFundy;32277826]i always wonder why out of all the brilliant minds this country can produce we scrape the bottom of the shit-for-dicks when it comes to getting a president[/QUOTE]because the smart ones know not to run.

[QUOTE=Glaber;32278157]because the smart ones know not to run.[/QUOTE] We should just conscript our Presidents.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32277599]I disagree with you on the economics there, but as long as you'd be willing to compromise to get things done (and I certainly would too), you're miles better than the GOP.[/QUOTE] Everybody has to be willing to compromise. The process of opposing ideologies being refined into compromises through debate is an integral step towards ensuring that everybody achieves some level of satisfaction from the government, but there [i]must[/i] eventually be a compromise. If politicians refuse to compromise, then the only possible outcome is mutually assured dissatisfaction, which is a sign that the government has failed its people as completely as it can. America has been in a state of mutual dissatisfaction for as long as I can remember, and so I can't help but wonder how much longer we need to tread water before our politicians will begin to realize how detrimental their pigheadedness truly is to the development of our country, and agree to pull together long enough to toss us a life buoy.

The Republican Party will never realise that.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;32282406]The Republican Party will never realise that.[/QUOTE] This reply is almost unbearably ironic. I shake my head for the current state of political affairs.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32282729]This reply is almost unbearably ironic. I shake my head for the current state of political affairs.[/QUOTE] It's undoubtedly important for both parties to compromise, but the GOP leader haven't really given Obama a fair shake.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32282729]This reply is almost unbearably ironic. I shake my head for the current state of political affairs.[/QUOTE] I don't think anything is wrong with what I've said. The Republican Party's stubbornness nearly destroyed the country. I don't see them changing any time soon. [editline]14th September 2011[/editline] Don't get me wrong, I'd love for our politicians to comprimise. I just don't see the Right accepting anything short of their way or no way.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;32271700]How the HELL did you get your flag to be the EU one??[/QUOTE] I was posting at school (like now), somehow makes it a european flag since it has goverment funded internet connection pehaps.