[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;27029100]25 vessels ffs something needs to be done about this.[/QUOTE]
Sorry bro. Thanks to people like Thisispain you cannot carry arms on international waters and moreover, we are prevented from conducting that good ol' gunship diplomacy.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;27034600]Because you make them martyrs and more and more people will resort to piracy (because they're poor) if an intense conflict broke out.[/QUOTE]
No, they engage in piracy because criminal groups based in Yemen and the UAE pay organize these things.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;27031564]The UN couldn't win a war against them, these groups are all over Somalia and are far too powerful they'd never be able to stop them.[/QUOTE]
You're absolutely right, the U.N, being run by the weak, bleeding heart liberals that they are. Everyone else could though. Too bad they shut down Executive Outcomes.
[QUOTE=doggelito;27035908]Sorry bro. Thanks to people like Thisispain you cannot carry arms on international waters and moreover, we are prevented from conducting that good ol' gunship diplomacy.
No, they engage in piracy because criminal groups based in Yemen and the UAE pay organize these things.
You're absolutely right, the U.N, being run by the weak, bleeding heart liberals that they are. Everyone else could though. Too bad they shut down Executive Outcomes.[/QUOTE]
Yea but they can...fucking pirate code
[QUOTE=doggelito;27035908]Sorry bro. Thanks to people like Thisispain you cannot carry arms on international waters and moreover, we are prevented from conducting that good ol' gunship diplomacy.[/QUOTE]
Well I don't mean arming the crews if that's what you mean. That would just be silly.
Who would pay 5.5 mil for a ship full of petroleum coke?
I bet it tastes horrible.
I wish modern day pirates were as cool as the pirates in the middle ages.
Can't you just slap two gunners from the vessel's country's respective military and call them escort personal or something?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;27036182]Well I don't mean arming the crews if that's what you mean. That would just be silly.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about hiring armed security professionals. But that's illegal for god knows what reason.
[QUOTE=doggelito;27035908]Sorry bro. Thanks to people like Thisispain you cannot carry arms on international waters and moreover, we are prevented from conducting that good ol' gunship diplomacy[/QUOTE]
Actually, you can carry arms on international waters - but the territorial waters of countries are a different matter. We also could use gunboat diplomacy - but I'm pretty sure firing on a ship in it's territorial waters with taking fire first is an act of war.
More importantly this was a stupid idea. It sounds heartless, but if the pirates actually get paid ransoms, they are going to hijack more boats to get more ransoms. If they don't get paid ransoms, they have no reasons to hijack shipping.
They should have paid the pirates with bullets.
[QUOTE=doggelito;27035908]
No, they engage in piracy because criminal groups based in Yemen and the UAE pay organize these things.
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They buy their guns from groups in Yemen, but not the UAE, and many are locally produced in the capital, Mogadishu. The groups don't organize these things, piracy is caused by the post-communist political turmoil and poverty. When the government fell in 1991, nuclear waste was dumped off by Europeans and the coastline was completely destroyed, making it difficult to fish, people need to resort to piracy to make a living.
[QUOTE=certified;27032497]Blockade Somolian ports until the government has the competence to control its "Special" population.
Problem solved.
INB4 itsnotthatsimple[/QUOTE]
It's not that simple, there practically is no government.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;27037561]Actually, you can carry arms on international waters - but the territorial waters of countries are a different matter. We also could use gunboat diplomacy - but I'm pretty sure firing on a ship in it's territorial waters with taking fire first is an act of war.
More importantly this was a stupid idea. It sounds heartless, but if the pirates actually get paid ransoms, they are going to hijack more boats to get more ransoms. If they don't get paid ransoms, they have no reasons to hijack shipping.[/QUOTE]
Are they even protected in territorial waters, with their acts of piracy?
I thought it was against international law
[QUOTE=Noth;27037793]Are they even protected in territorial waters, with their acts of piracy?
I thought it was against international law[/QUOTE]
I guess it's a tricky call, you can't just attack every ship you see, but on the other hand pirates getting the jump on you is bad as well. However, it might only be ships flying the Somalian flag that would be protected - if they have no flag and they move to attack, you'd have no issue, I think.
[QUOTE=Sharker;27029232]You'd think they'd have an escort for once.[/QUOTE]
A submarine escort. The pirates won't know it's got an escort until they end up with a torpedo up their ass.
[QUOTE=yngndrw;27038022]A submarine escort. The pirates won't know it's got an escort until they end up with a torpedo up their ass.[/QUOTE]
What about an air escort, Have a few F-22 Raptors fly close
[QUOTE=Noth;27038055]What about an air escort, Have a few F-22 Raptors fly close[/QUOTE]
I always thought a good idea would be having a two or three aircraft carriers from affected nations patrolling the edge of Somalian waters, and then scrambling aircraft whenever a ship makes a call for support.
[QUOTE=doggelito;27037337]I was talking about hiring armed security professionals. But that's illegal for god knows what reason.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much the same thing you're risking the ship, cargo, and most importantly lives of the crew by having armed people on board even if they are professionals. Actually policing the region sounds like a safer idea.
Somalia actually blackmailed Germany when they found out that the chemicals in the tankers was actually Zyklon B.
They just need to block them from using the internet.
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I'm sorry but how do these pirates even stop these ships. Aren't the ships like huge tankers that could just plow through the little tiny Somalian skiffs?
[QUOTE=Jmir 54;27038966]I'm sorry but how do these pirates even stop these ships. Aren't the ships like huge tankers that could just plow through the little tiny Somalian skiffs?[/QUOTE]
They board ye shippe and threaten with ye olde weaponry, arr.
[QUOTE=Jmir 54;27038966]I'm sorry but how do these pirates even stop these ships. Aren't the ships like huge tankers that could just plow through the little tiny Somalian skiffs?[/QUOTE]
Yeah but they aren't armor plated. Small arms fire and RPG's will hurt them substantially and disabling their engines with such weapons and murdering the crew isn't a difficult task.
Ultimately having weapons aboard the ships would cause trade issues with certain countries. I am certainly a fan of the idea that if the weapons never leave the ship and come into the nation proper that there is no reason not to have them, but other nations would obviously disagree.
I feel like the most cost effective solution is with the UN. If they weren't a pack of rapist pussies, they could do some good.
An even more effective solution would be stationing a squad of marines from a NATO country. When guarding civilian cruise ships, you could let them bring family members aboard. Offer it as a reward for good service. The vessels are defended and the soldiers potentially gain morale by serving on a relatively interesting assignment that isn't going to be ridiculously high stress.
Guarding an oil tanker may not be interesting, but you get to see the world, probably get better quarters than an aircraft carrier, have a low chance of being killed by a bomb you never see, and you get combat pay.
Of course that would never fly because nations would throw a hissy fit about allowing marines into their ports.
[QUOTE=GunFox;27039147]Yeah but they aren't armor plated. Small arms fire and RPG's will hurt them substantially and disabling their engines with such weapons and murdering the crew isn't a difficult task.
Ultimately having weapons aboard the ships would cause trade issues with certain countries. I am certainly a fan of the idea that if the weapons never leave the ship and come into the nation proper that there is no reason not to have them, but other nations would obviously disagree.
I feel like the most cost effective solution is with the UN. If they weren't a pack of rapist pussies, they could do some good.
An even more effective solution would be stationing a squad of marines from a NATO country. When guarding civilian cruise ships, you could let them bring family members aboard. Offer it as a reward for good service. The vessels are defended and the soldiers potentially gain morale by serving on a relatively interesting assignment that isn't going to be ridiculously high stress.
Guarding an oil tanker may not be interesting, but you get to see the world, probably get better quarters than an aircraft carrier, have a low chance of being killed by a bomb you never see, and you get combat pay.
Of course that would never fly because nations would throw a hissy fit about allowing marines into their ports.[/QUOTE]
Well, if the UN did decide to do something, then UN Peacekeepers could fufill the same role, without diplomatic issues. Since they can only act in self-defence, anti-piracy operations would be well within their remit. Of course, that first 'if' is a big one.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;27039206]Well, if the UN did decide to do something, then UN Peacekeepers could fufill the same role, without diplomatic issues. Since they can only act in self-defence, anti-piracy operations would be well within their remit. Of course, that first 'if' is a big one.[/QUOTE]
Aye, they are certainly the most diplomatically acceptable choice. They also come in a variety of flavors that speak a variety of languages, making them attractive for defending transport vessels from around the world.
Their helmets are blue, they were BORN for ocean defense! :P
[QUOTE=GunFox;27039301]Aye, they are certainly the most diplomatically acceptable choice. They also come in a variety of flavors that speak a variety of languages, making them attractive for defending transport vessels from around the world.
Their helmets are blue, they were BORN for ocean defense! :P[/QUOTE]
Exactly. If they hid with just their helmets visible, they would even be camoflaged, ready to deploy a pacifying ambush. Or maybe ambush them with pacification.
[QUOTE=Billiam;27035522]This is probably the cheapest and most effective suggestion to the problem.[/QUOTE]
That or mercenary teams on each ship that are well equipped and well trained. Avoid government issues altogether.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;27031564]The UN couldn't win a war against them, these groups are all over Somalia and are far too powerful they'd never be able to stop them.[/QUOTE]
It more or less worked what with the Barbary Wars and all. I think the modern-day UN would manage.
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If the UN got into that situation, that is.
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