[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;34470334]Opinions aren't protected under civil rights, nor are they protected under the first amendment in a private establishment.[/QUOTE]
He didn't voice his opinions in the restaurant nor disrupt peace in it, they should not be able to refuse service to him. You guys might think this is all fine and dandy going in this direction, but I bet there would be outrage if a restaurant kicked someone out for supporting gay rights
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34470308]Shouldn't this be illegal? To throw someone out and not serve them for their opinions?[/QUOTE]
I don't know how often this is seen elsewhere, but most restaurants (stores, too, for that matter) in my town have a big sign, right by the front counter, saying, in big red letters, that the restaurant owners reserve every right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.
Regardless of whether or not your stores and restaurants say this, they still reserve this right. I'm not sure how Civil Rights Protection falls with that, but seeing as that only deals with discrimination against protected classes for the sole reason of being parts of said classes, then Campfield isn't protected by it.
Even if the restaurants' right to refuse service was superceded by the Civil Rights Protection, which I think it is, it doesn't make a difference in this regard - Campfield is not a part of any protected class, ergo if the restaurant owners want to kick him out, she can.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;34467483]Didn't expect this from a state like Tennessee.
Suck a dick Campfield.[/QUOTE]
make that two
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34470388]He didn't voice his opinions in the restaurant nor disrupt peace in it, they should not be able to refuse service to him. You guys might think this is all fine and dandy going in this direction, but I bet there would be outrage if a restaurant kicked someone out for supporting gay rights[/QUOTE]
i guess i'm gonna sound like a hypocrite but i don't really give a shit about homophobes getting discriminated against.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34470388]He didn't voice his opinions in the restaurant nor disrupt peace in it, they should not be able to refuse service to him. You guys might think this is all fine and dandy going in this direction, but I bet there would be outrage if a restaurant kicked someone out for supporting gay rights[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make it any less legal, and if I want to kick some one out of my business I damn well should be able to
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;34470282]hey it's my firmly held belief that all blacks and jews should be killed, all children should be molested and that women should be beaten by their husbands..... wow don't be bigoted against me it's just my beliefs! if your beliefs are fucked you deserve to be given shit for having them.[/QUOTE]
Fuck yeah kkk
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34470388]He didn't voice his opinions in the restaurant nor disrupt peace in it, they should not be able to refuse service to him. You guys might think this is all fine and dandy going in this direction, but I bet there would be outrage if a restaurant kicked someone out for supporting gay rights[/QUOTE]
Well, this guy is pushing to restrict the rights of citizens. If someone was kicked out for being a supporter of gay rights, then that's kinda messed up. That's saying "you support equality among people, get out."
And it's a private establishment. They can restrict service however they please.
And he voiced his opinions in public.
Such is the life of a celebrity...
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34470458]That doesn't make it any less legal, and if I want to kick some one out of my business I damn well should be able to[/QUOTE]
It isn't about the legality, He is saying it shouldn't be legal. And what is the difference kicking out someone because they are a bigot in their private life versus kicking someone out for being gay?
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34470458]That doesn't make it any less legal, and if I want to kick some one out of my business I damn well should be able to[/QUOTE]
I disagree, you should only be able to kick someone out if he/she is being a disturbance, not following your rules, or otherwise doing illegal or obnoxious activities. Not because of his/her opinions on politics or religion.
[QUOTE=SystemGS;34468031]let's kick a legislator who's working on anti-gay legislation out of our restaurant, because that will surely show him that gays are people of tolerance and respect who shouldn't be legislated against
fucking morons, you don't take an eye for an eye[/QUOTE]
I thought this too at first, but then I gave it more thought, and realized that it's a completely different situation. It's like comparing kicking out someone for being black, and kicking out someone who hates black people.
This isn't a valid reason to throw someone out of a restaurant.
[QUOTE=Run&Gun12;34472345]This isn't a valid reason to throw someone out of a restaurant.[/QUOTE]
It's private property. I wouldn't want Mussolini in my house and I wouldn't want this guy in my restaurant. It gives it a bad rep.
[QUOTE=Nikota;34472403]It's private property. I wouldn't want Mussolini in my house and I wouldn't want this guy in my restaurant. It gives it a bad rep.[/QUOTE]
Your house is different from a restaurant that serves the public
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34472418]Your house is different from a restaurant that serves the public[/QUOTE]
My point still stands, I don't want a fascist in my restaurant.
[QUOTE=Nikota;34472426]My point still stands, I don't want a fascist in my restaurant.[/QUOTE]
Again, what if someone doesn't want gays in their restaurant? Is that alright?
[QUOTE=Nikota;34472426]My point still stands, I don't want a fascist in my restaurant.[/QUOTE]
Okay, then what if someone didn't want a gay rights advocate in his restaurant. Is that okay?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34472433]Again, what if someone doesn't want gays in their restaurant? Is that alright?[/QUOTE]
It's fine as long as they're not making legislature to fuck them over.
A restaurant is a small establishment, government is not.
Hating someone because of a position or organization which they voluntarily associate themselves is perfectly fine.
Valid reason to boot someone from your establishment.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34472454]Okay, then what if someone didn't want a gay rights advocate in his restaurant. Is that okay?[/QUOTE]Yes.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34472460]Hating someone because of a position or organization which they voluntarily associate themselves is perfectly fine.
Valid reason to boot someone from your establishment.[/QUOTE]
I'd argue that being a bigot is almost as little of a choice as being gay is; it's the same with religion. Try convincing a homophobe to stop hating gays, or try convincing a Catholic to become atheist. Beliefs are close to the core of a person, and are very difficult to change, especially in closed-minded individuals. It's discrimination to not serve someone based upon their beliefs.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34472499]I'd argue that being a bigot is almost as little of a choice as being gay is; it's the same with religion. Try convincing a homophobe to stop hating gays, or try convincing a Catholic to become atheist. Beliefs are close to the core of a person, and are very difficult to change, especially in closed-minded individuals.[/QUOTE]
It's not wired at all, but that's besides the point. It's fine to have an opinion, when that opinion starts to damage peoples lives, it has to stop.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34472499]I'd argue that being a bigot is almost as little of a choice as being gay is; it's the same with religion. Try convincing a homophobe to stop hating gays, or try convincing a Catholic to become atheist. Beliefs are close to the core of a person, and are very difficult to change, especially in closed-minded individuals.[/QUOTE]
So your best defense is that they can't help being stupid as fuck.
Well I can't help hating them and kicking them out of places that I own.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34472518]So your best defense is that they can't help being stupid as fuck.
Well I can't help hating them and kicking them out of places that I own.[/QUOTE]
Gunfox 2012. Moderation we can believe in.
[QUOTE=Nikota;34472513]It's not wired at all, but that's besides the point. It's fine to have an opinion, when that opinion starts to damage peoples lives, it has to stop.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying a politician shouldn't be allowed to push anti-gay marriage bills? That's essentially censorship.
[editline]30th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=GunFox;34472518]So your best defense is that they can't help being stupid as fuck.
Well I can't help hating them and kicking them out of places that I own.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't really follow with what I posted but whatever
[QUOTE=GunFox;34472518]So your best defense is that they can't help being stupid as fuck.
Well I can't help hating them and kicking them out of places that I own.[/QUOTE]
I can't help hating blacks, so I can't help kicking them out of my restaurants either.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34472532]So you're saying a politician shouldn't be allowed to push anti-gay marriage bills? That's essentially censorship.
[editline]30th January 2012[/editline]
That doesn't really follow with what I posted but whatever[/QUOTE]
It really isn't. Telling bigoted people that they don't have control over a group of people really isn't censorship.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34472571]I can't help hating blacks, so I can't help kicking them out of my restaurants either.[/QUOTE]
My previous point was that his idea was ridiculous.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum[/url]
it's perfectly legal for a restaurant / business to kick someone out if it doesn't fall under the "Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution", which this doesn't. If it's your restaurant you can kick someone out if you don't like their opinions outside of the restaurant. Although, you can't kick them out if you don't like them because they're black, for example.
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Awaiting a reply.
This guy must be fucking paranoid, he has a little FBI-like warning on his front page telling the feds not to quote him from his FB :v:
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34472532]So you're saying a politician shouldn't be allowed to push anti-gay marriage bills? That's essentially censorship.
[editline]30th January 2012[/editline]
That doesn't really follow with what I posted but whatever[/QUOTE]
You're so incredibly good at turning something like [QUOTE]It's fine to have an opinion, when that opinion starts to damage peoples lives, it has to stop.[/QUOTE] to mean [QUOTE]That's essentially censorship. [/QUOTE] which are by the way, not related.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize protecting some peoples rights was stomping on your right to stomp on rights. Shit, my bad.
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