• Piers Morgan Delivers One Final Blow To Gun Violence In Last Show
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[QUOTE=Ashes;44397254]But...how can he be pro american if he's British?[/QUOTE] I'm British and living in American but I guess that means I can't be American. Also I hope they don't let him back into Britain. Send him to France, he can be their problem. [editline]30th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;44397800]Drum mags are pretty shit from what I know. And it was a shotgun that was left in his car, I think. He left some sort of long barreled weapon in there.[/QUOTE] Drum mags are shit. They hold more rounds, but they're clunky as shit, jam a lot, and are generally a pain in the arse to reload.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44397919]lmao i bet u'd be a bit but flustered if som1 got ur favorite dr who doctors all mixed up.[/QUOTE] ive never seen dr who
[QUOTE=Ashes;44397254]But...how can he be pro american if he's British?[/QUOTE] I really should have thought this through completely Oh well CNN will probably replace him with another "Guns bayd!! No want! No want" professional news reporter, who'll also get his/her own show and spew incorrect facts and other nonsense
[QUOTE=SataniX;44397373]There's a difference between owning one for hunting or target shooting and the blatant gun culture you have over there though.[/QUOTE] A culture which exists because we, culturally, are to view our government as a necessary [I]evil[/I]. Governments, by their nature, slowly trend towards corruption or destabilization over time. The framers of the US saw this and decided that, while a government is necessary, the people should never be subjugated by their government. We were subjects of the British Empire and they wanted to ensure that such things would never be the case again. Measures, part of which was an armed population, to limited the possibility of such things. Legally, that is why we are as we are. Socially it is a lot more complicated, of course, but really guns are a lot of fun in the same way that snow mobiles are. Most of the time it is just fun. In terms of self-defense, a lot of that may stem from our culture's tendency towards self-reliance and the romantic light we view the old wild west frontier. All of these things combined, plus many more factors, combine to form our gun culture. It is certainly complicated, but you don't really need to understand the entire thing, just recognize that we are like we are because there are factors in our history that simply aren't shared by many of our older European cousins. We just view things a little different.
[QUOTE=deadoon;44397704]Ok, the comment "Well off you go!" seemed to be addressing the people who are pro and against gun control on Facepunch. It just didn't click well enough that you were referring to the article, not just predicting some gun argument.[/QUOTE] That's quite odd how you thought about my comment. Anyways, I hated him, he's just a fucking tabloid journalist but yet he's on fucking CNN, covering Oscars, and judging America's got Talent. I don't see how a idiot writing bullshit can get so many big jobs. And he's got a very punchable face. [editline]30th March 2014[/editline] And while I disagree somewhat with having guns, taking guns away from America is just dumb, guns have been around for fucking centuries in America, how the hell are you going to remove them? I never understood people wanting a complete ban on guns in the nation, its everywhere. Its impossible to remove them. Its like they expect they want the police to go door to door to pry all the guns out of the gun owner's hands. But, for countries without a culture like America's, its hard to have a gun culture.
[QUOTE=MrBunneh;44398027]a heavily christian first world country on land colonised by the british? idk seem pretty similar in composure. [/QUOTE] yea by that logic you could compare Alaska to Hawaii because they both have brown-skinned native's. How a country came about has absolutely nothing to do with it's modern day self. Nz and the US are wildly different. [QUOTE=MrBunneh;44398027]yes, new zealand is a far smaller scale but I mean fuck 24 years without a mass shooting as opposed to what, less than a year? Australia, a country with much more people and similar gun controls also has much much less mass shootings than america? maybe there is a correlation between owning guns and mass shootings after all![/QUOTE] And Australia's gun violence rate were already in a severe decline when that gun legislation came about, and it's gun violence rates continued to descend at the same rate after the legislation was put into action; Just like the US' during it's gun ban. Don't forget the fact that theres thousands of unregistered firearms in Australia. Ever heard the joke "why do Australians pour motor oil in their Gardens? To keep their guns from rusting". Even if a gun ban was the cause of Australia's lowered gun violence rates, it wouldn't mean it would work the same in the US. The countries and cultures are too different for things to be cross compatible like that. What works over here may not work over there and vice versa. Gun bans have an extremely marginal effect on gun crime in the US; the US saw less than a 1% overall decrease in gun crime during it's AWB. In fact, one of the most horrendous school shootings occurred during the AWB, which one of the shooters used AWB compliant firearms. Gun bans do not work in the US, all they do is make paper criminal out of otherwise harmless law abiding citizens.
[QUOTE=avincent;44398075]All mass-shootings were commited by extreme liberals or democrats[/QUOTE] Lol sure
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44397301]. The way someone can be pro-cats without being a cat I guess? Just being generally supportive and liking the thing. America, please don't send him back. We'll come and take you back for crown and country if you do. That shit isn't fair.[/QUOTE] We'll do you a solid and send him to Russia instead.
Finally, the cunt is gone.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44398300]yea by that logic you could compare Alaska to Hawaii because they both have brown-skinned native's. How a country came about has absolutely nothing to do with it's modern day self. Nz and the US are wildly different. And Australia's gun violence rate were already in a severe decline when that gun legislation came about, and it's gun violence rates continued to descend at the same rate after the legislation was put into action; Just like the US' during it's gun ban. Don't forget the fact that theres thousands of unregistered firearms in Australia. Ever heard the joke "why do Australians pour motor oil in their Gardens? To keep their guns from rusting". Even if a gun ban was the cause of Australia's lowered gun violence rates, it wouldn't mean it would work the same in the US. The countries and cultures are too different for things to be cross compatible like that. What works over here may not work over there and vice versa. Gun bans have an extremely marginal effect on gun crime in the US; the US saw less than a 1% overall decrease in gun crime during it's AWB. In fact, one of the most horrendous school shootings occurred during the AWB, which one of the shooters used AWB compliant firearms. Gun bans do not work in the US, all they do is make paper criminal out of otherwise harmless law abiding citizens.[/QUOTE] Well obviously it didn't lead to immediate effects because A.) People still had their guns at home, nothing much changed, and B.) Assault weapons are least used in murders and suicides In any case, guns are made for killing, and as only a small percentage of all gun owners actually go hunting, so I don't see what's good about everybody having access to a gun. Especially in cases of suicide, a lot of deaths could've been prevented if the person in question simply didn't have access to a gun. The pulling of a trigger is an extremely effortless and quick way to die, which is what makes it so attractive.
The Vice President of the NRA, Wayne LaPierre has already publicly stated their position on gun reform. We don't need any...at all. LaPierre also publicly put the blame for increasing gun violence where it truly belongs. In a public statement in response to the infamous NewTown shooting LaPierre flatly blamed the growing increase in school shootings and other public shootings on games like Mortal Kombat (1992) and movies like Natural Born Killers (1994). It's pretty obvious that the NRA has their finger on the very pulse of this growing problem. Don't let your kids play arcade fighting games or watch old Woody Harrelson movies.
I'm always on the fence when it comes to gun control. Both sides seem pretty reasonable. I feel like its one of those issues where either side works if implemented properly. I've just given up with school shootings though, it's gotta be something in our culture. I roughly counted total school shootings in the U.S. and then worldwide. U.S.-390 (31 this year alone) Rest of World-61 Sources [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States[/url]
[QUOTE=MrBunneh;44398027]a heavily christian first world country on land colonised by the british? idk seem pretty similar in composure. yes, new zealand is a far smaller scale but I mean fuck 24 years without a mass shooting as opposed to what, less than a year?[/quote] 11 years, you had a university shooting in 2002, 2 dead, 5 injured. You also have 3 arson attacks totaling 36 casualties and 10+ injured. Our most recent mass shooting happened in California, a place where a parking ticket can be used as a valid reason for confiscation of weapons. The weapons were illegal and authorities determined the cause to be mental illness. Mental illness and poverty are the reasons we have so many shootings, and so much crime, guns are only a means to an end. As a matter of fact, I can't find a lot of info on mass shooting in Australia at all, the 3 arson attacks I mentioned were deadlier than each of the 4 shootings aside from Port Arthur. So I wouldn't say the gun ban ended mass shootings, but rather was a knee-jerk reaction in a place where mass shootings were uncommon to begin with. [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44398300]Gun bans have an extremely marginal effect on gun crime in the US; the US saw less than a 1% overall decrease in gun crime during it's AWB. In fact, one of the most horrendous school shootings occurred during the AWB, which one of the shooters used AWB compliant firearms. Gun bans do not work in the US, all they do is make paper criminal out of otherwise harmless law abiding citizens.[/QUOTE] There was also the North Hollywood Shootout, where non-compliant weapons were used, proving that the ban didn't do shit to stop real criminals, just civilians.
[QUOTE=Zatar963;44397294]How can you be pro-choice if you're alive?[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, dead people lack the capacity to choose.
Who would ever have thought America would adjust to the modern world?
Ok, so all guns are now banned in the USA. Now you have criminals being the only ones with guns. Ok, so you've managed to somehow remove every weapon out of every civilian's hand. Now you just get stabbings. How many people died in that mass stabbing in China? Banning something of which there are about 320 Million of because 30,000 of them are used to kill people (More than HALF are suicides) is ridiculous. That's 0.01%. You know how insignificant that is? Maybe if the media talked about something else for a change. Anything. A higher percentage of Tesla cars catch fire, and they've only had 3. There's a higher percentage of planes that crash out of not the total number of planes, but total number of FLIGHTS.
God I hate this cunt, please keep him America
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44399567]How many people died in that mass stabbing in China?[/quote] How many would have died if they had guns? [QUOTE=TheTalon;44399567] (More than HALF are suicides)[/QUOTE] You say that like it's not relevant
How about people stop arguing about gun politics and face the true issue here, Piers Morgan doesn't have a job and could potentially come back to the UK, you guys need to take one for the team and give him some program on a backwater tv station so no one has to hear or see him.
[QUOTE=James*;44399679]How many would have died if they had guns?[/QUOTE] hypotheticals aren't real arguments
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44397668]you probably had a shitty time because you were shooting in a forrest while it was raining. Do some target shooting with a semiautomatic before you try to relate to US gun owners.[/QUOTE] Well I've done it in a field when it wasn't raining, so I don't think it's that. Maybe some people just don't find firearms a fun activity?
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;44399713]hypotheticals aren't real arguments[/QUOTE] It's fairly obvious guns kill more efficiently than knives
[QUOTE=avincent;44398075]All mass-shootings were commited by extreme liberals or democrats. So yes dipshit it does have to do with culture. Or in this case "counter-culture" because hurrdurr christian republicans so evil[/QUOTE] in a part of the country which was full of extreme puritans? (idk how it is today but the northeast was practically colonized by religious lunatics)
[QUOTE=James*;44399679]How many would have died if they had guns? You say that like it's not relevant[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.humanevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/58852252.jpg[/img] I dunno man what do you think
[QUOTE=Foosili;44399766][img]http://www.humanevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/58852252.jpg[/img] I dunno man what do you think[/QUOTE] Not sure what you're arguing, but dozens of people died in the LA riots (compare that to all the recent riots in Europe)
[QUOTE=James*;44399782]Not sure what you're arguing, but dozens of people died in the LA riots (compare that to all the recent riots in Europe)[/QUOTE] Those guys in korea town managed to stop people from killing them and looting their stores by standing guard on top of them. I'm pointing out a hypothetical situation to your hypothetical situation in which someone else is armed and stops the hypothetical mass shooting you've created.
[QUOTE=Foosili;44399786]Those guys in korea town managed to stop people from killing them and looting their stores by standing guard on top of them. I'm pointing out a hypothetical situation to your hypothetical situation in which someone else is armed and stops the hypothetical mass shooting you've created.[/QUOTE] And as we saw with LA, the result is far more dead than there would be otherwise [editline]30th March 2014[/editline] (not a hypothetical situation)
[QUOTE=James*;44399804]And as we saw with LA, the result is far more dead than there would be otherwise[/QUOTE] "Although a great deal has been written and said about animosity between Korean-Americans and blacks, and while many of the stores looted and burned were Korean-owned, there were no confirmed cases of blacks and Koreans killing each other. Edward Song Lee, 18, a Korean security guard, died on May 1 in a shootout with a group of looters, but a police spokesman said the looters' racial makeup had not been determined. Death Figures Vary" -After The Riots, New York Times, May 17th 1992 I'd put money on the prevention of deaths between those two groups was because of the deterrence effect of the koreans literally [B]standing on the roofs of their shops with rifles and shotguns.[/B]
I really didn't want to post in this thread, but China has issues beyond guns. Their society has been wrecked by some shit that runs directly opposite the notion of social order. Where in many developed countries you're effectively pushed into interfering with a situation where another person is in peril, in China you are fully legally culpable if you get involved. It's why you see so much shit from China where the general reaction is, "WHY THE FUCK IS NOBODY HELPING THAT PERSON?!". Also, the presence of guns won't make anyone safer, nor should guns be banned. Focus on fixing society at large so people have less reason to do this shit. And stop arguing based on entrenched absolutes and gross oversimplification. It makes you all look dumb.
[QUOTE=Foosili;44399825]"Although a great deal has been written and said about animosity between Korean-Americans and blacks, and while many of the stores looted and burned were Korean-owned, there were no confirmed cases of blacks and Koreans killing each other. Edward Song Lee, 18, a Korean security guard, died on May 1 in a shootout with a group of looters, but a police spokesman said the looters' racial makeup had not been determined. Death Figures Vary" -After The Riots, New York Times, May 17th 1992 I'd put money on the prevention of deaths between those two groups was because of the deterrence effect of the koreans literally [B]standing on the roofs of their shops with rifles and shotguns.[/B][/QUOTE] Okay what about the other 41 people that were shot to death And why didn't tons of people die in the London riots when shop owners didn't have guns to defend themselves
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