Epic Games distances itself from ultraviolent mass-murder game Hatred - Polidicks

Oh no those poor virtual innocent people being virtually killed with your virtual guns with your virtual characters :(

well at least now they can put on their loading screens or crack wise jokes: "Our game was too much for the Engine creators to even handle" I mean it looks pretty fun. Though I think they should have added some sort of comedic value to it, like Postal 2 did. You know, not make it all edgydark. At least let me piss on a person while shooting them, god.

I hope the game is as hard to play as postal was in its first time.

It looks fun. I'll buy it if it at least has some satire and wit to it.

[QUOTE=Mr. N;46260948]It looks fun. I'll buy it if it at least has some satire and wit to it.[/QUOTE] That's what this whole thread is talking about. This game has presented itself as Postal 2 [I]without[/I] any satire or wit, but played completely straight to the point of cringy cheesiness. It's not campy and over the top, it's unsettlingly serious in its portrayal of wanton violence. This isn't a "think of the children" issue, it's just that its mere existence and attempt to be taken seriously is detrimental to the reputation of video games as a legitimate medium, since this is the cream of the crop for people who think video games cause school shootings and bomb threats. It doesn't help that it's essentially what the developers were going for; they want people to stop taking games seriously but are turning it in the worst possible direction.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;46256055]The devs are a lot more pretentious.[/QUOTE] How the fuck are they pretentious when they have already said exactly what and how simple it is what they are doing? Do you even know the meanings behind words you use? Or do you just say whatever word you think might look good?

Poor virtual innocent civilians.

[QUOTE=DemonDog;46255731]Oh my god it's like School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 only as a proper game and without the satire.[/QUOTE] Hopefully they asked pawnstick to contribute on this

Satire - deciding factor between immoral and perfectly ok

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46261161]How the fuck are they pretentious when they have already said exactly what and how simple it is what they are doing? Do you even know the meanings behind words you use? Or do you just say whatever word you think might look good?[/QUOTE] They're desperately trying to advertise the game as avant-garde or unique because according to them games today are too politically correct and too artsy, which is a particularly ignorant thing to say. The pretentious part comes where they pretend to be the only ones who can deliver a game that "breaks the trends", like it was never done before (here's a tip, the trend IS to normalize violence, not the other way around).

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46261725]They're desperately trying to advertise the game as avant-garde or unique because according to them games today are too politically correct and too artsy, which is a particularly ignorant thing to say. The pretentious part comes where they pretend to be the only ones who can deliver a game that "breaks the trends", like it was never done before (here's a tip, the trend IS to normalize violence, not the other way around).[/QUOTE] How is it avant garde or advertised that way? They straight out said they made what they made to go against the trend of games needing to be something political/colorful/meaningful/artsy. Instead its just you killing people because you dont care at all. That is breaking a trend but its not like its some huge fucking big deal and they havent made it like they think its some huge big deal. Its breaking or going against a trend thats just going on right now, its not some revolutionary shit. Its not pretentious at all. Its one trailer of a guy being blunt and edgy and saying exactly how he feels.

[QUOTE=minilandstan;46256382]It's like Postal without the message behind it. [B]Postal 1 was about an ultra-realistic murder simulator, which was never meant to be fun.[/B] Postal 2 laughs at you for doing violent things, because it's not the game making you do it, you can play the entire game non-lethally.[/QUOTE] I think you're mixing up fun with the game being self-conscious of its disturbing nature. It's supposed to be fun and it certainly is. The setting provides a suitable backdrop for the isometric-rampage style gameplay, but it doesn't glorify the violence like Hatred does and lets you know everything you're doing is fucked up and wrong. In short: Fun game, disturbing setting.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46261826]How is it avant garde or advertised that way? They straight out said they made what they made to go against the trend of games needing to be something political/colorful/meaningful/artsy. Instead its just you killing people because you dont care at all. That is breaking a trend but its not like its some huge fucking big deal and they havent made it like they think its some huge big deal. Its breaking or going against a trend thats just going on right now, its not some revolutionary shit. Its not pretentious at all. Its one trailer of a guy being blunt and edgy and saying exactly how he feels.[/QUOTE] From their website : [quote]The question you may ask is: why do they do this? These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment – we wanted to create something against trends. Something different, something that could give the player a pure, gaming pleasure. Herecomes our game, which takes no prisoners and makes no excuses. We say ‘yes, it is a game about killing people’ and the only reason of the antagonist doing that sick stuff is his deep-rooted hatred. Player has to ask himself what can push any human being to mass-murder.[/quote] They're literally saying their game is totally unique and that it goes against trends. They're actually saying the only way a game can be fun is by being a grimdark edgefest, dismissing piles of great games because they're not up to their standards of dumbness.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;46261711]Satire - deciding factor between immoral and perfectly ok[/QUOTE] Well yeah, satire is taking something to its logical extreme to point out how ridiculous it is. Nothing in the trailer for Hatred shows any sign of being intentionally funny, but instead wanting to be taken seriously. While it in itself is ridiculous, it makes the game a lot more disturbing to think about.

Plot twist: The game actually submits your information to a mental health study if you complete it.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46261826]How is it avant garde or advertised that way? They straight out said they made what they made to go against the trend of games needing to be something political/colorful/meaningful/artsy. Instead its just you killing people because you dont care at all. That is breaking a trend but its not like its some huge fucking big deal and they havent made it like they think its some huge big deal. Its breaking or going against a trend thats just going on right now, its not some revolutionary shit. Its not pretentious at all. Its one trailer of a guy being blunt and edgy and saying exactly how he feels.[/QUOTE] It's acting like it's going against some trend of overly serious games, when there's really more fun, unpretentious games you could ever want. It has some unintentionally hilarious edgy style theme that's trying too hard. And to top it all off, they want to eat their cake and have it too, and contradict themselves by saying they want us to question what makes someone a mass murderer. It's not just pretentious, it's a three-pronged pretentious strike.

I understand the dev's intent to make a game without moral constraints. I get that, and it's an interesting concept for art. However, I don't think I'll be playing it. It's a but too unironically edgy for me.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;46265275]I understand the dev's intent to make a game without moral constraints. I get that, and it's an interesting concept for art. However, I don't think I'll be playing it. It's a but too unironically edgy for me.[/QUOTE] If you want a game with an interesting story about moral constraints you can play Hotline Miami, Prototype or Spec Ops: The Line, among other games.

Personally I don't have a problem with the game being edgy. I don't have a problem with it being a counter to modern game design trends. What I do have a problem with is how fucking boring it looks. Oh great, murder all the civilians, then murder the cops when they show up. Is that it? Just a bland, black and white game where I kill mostly people who can't fight back? If I want a game where I massacre people I'll play SmashTV, at least the people I'm slaughtering there shoot back.

I don't usually get freaked out from video game violence. I have no problem shooting a bunch of police officers and civilians in the middle of the street in Grand Theft Auto or Postal. For some reason this game gets to me. I think the screams of terror in Hatred just seem too real to me.

This game made me so hard.

I laughed so fucking hard at his monologue. Can't wait for it.

Not to sound edgy or anything, but I really like the animation in which he puts the gun into the civilians mouth and fires it, it's like my favorite one out of all of them.

This game looks equivalent to hunting innocent chicken in CSGO.

[QUOTE=Mezzokoko;46268390]This game looks equivalent to hunting innocent chicken in CSGO.[/QUOTE] I think I need my eyes checked then

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;46261870]but it doesn't glorify the violence like Hatred does and lets you know everything you're doing is fucked up and wrong. In short: Fun game, disturbing setting.[/QUOTE] What about Mortal Kombat, or Left4Dead2? Those games glorify the hell out of violence, and they're praised for it. Killing Floor 2 is being praised [I]because[/I] of it's immensely over-the-top gore system.

It's kind of interesting in a way, how people need rationality or justification to commit harm torwards others. I claim that it's more tasteful because it doesn't dehumanize people by sugarcoaring it as satire.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46272667]What about Mortal Kombat, or Left4Dead2? Those games glorify the hell out of violence, and they're praised for it. Killing Floor 2 is being praised [I]because[/I] of it's immensely over-the-top gore system.[/QUOTE] You clearly missed his point. The context matters. It's not that the game glorifies violence, it's that it glorifies, encourages, and actually requires you to kill innocent people for no reason other than "I hate everyone!"

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/MwrPonF.png[/IMG] this would be pretty great if it was true

Isn't that how a lot of open world games work though?