[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;48870425]yea that weed one really hurt them had they been for legalizing it they could have been winning still[/QUOTE]
If only Jack were here.
[editline]9th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48870459]They brought up all the examples of many MP's having been pushed out of this race this year by small little factoids about their history. Sometimes it was justified, but rarely. It's something like 50 candidates dropped out by social media coverage. In todays age, who would ever want to be a politician? [/QUOTE]
Before being a politician consider [B]not[/B] literally shitting/pissing in your employers cup and making racist youtube videos.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48870474]If only Jack were here.[/QUOTE]
I'd still trust and vote NDP 100% if that were the case. So would much of the nation.
But we live in a system that demands we act and think strategically because our opposition is playing this like a game.
If NDP picked up in the polls, I'd vote NDP, but I can't deal with another conservative government which is exactly what happen if we split between the two as the two will not work together.
We have children leading 3 parties.
[editline]9th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48870474]
Before being a politician consider [B]not[/B] literally shitting/pissing in your employers cup and making racist youtube videos.[/QUOTE]
I hope you realize that 50 people have been brought down by this, and by cherry picking the literally worst case scenarios out of all of those, you're directly contributing to the kind of bullshit I'm talking about.
Liberals, NDP, conservatives. ALL of them have lost candidates.
I'm still on ndp. I can't shut up and suffer through c51 and only my ndp reps are against it.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;48866512]Go hard. Although my heart is with NDP I will be voting Liberal. Although I feel that we are going to be inevitably losing more parties and becoming a two party nation.[/QUOTE]
It's unfortunate, but the NDP's extremely anti-military laws have completely turned me off of their party. The liberal's are not much better but they are at least a decent middle ground between the conservatives and the NDP. My main gripe about the Liberal's is their support of bill C-51, but Trudeau has said he plans to alter it heavily if I'm not mistaken so we'll see what comes of it if he is elected.
[QUOTE=patq911;48869230]What happened to NDP???
[/QUOTE]
They ain't talking about shit. They're now trying to be center, and their website has literally nothing on it. They're now the "we're not evil, but we don't know what to do" party.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48870459]
We need a better party.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.greenparty.ca/en/platform"]Green[/URL]?
And don't give me any of that "strategic voting" crap. Your vote has more of an impact on "which party's policies should we lean towards?" than it does in determining an outcome.
[QUOTE=01271;48870603]I'm still on ndp. I can't shut up and suffer through c51 and only my ndp reps are against it.[/QUOTE]
I'm confused about why people care about it.
[QUOTE=willtheoct;48870798]
[URL="http://www.greenparty.ca/en/platform"]Green[/URL]?
And don't give me any of that "strategic voting" crap. Your vote has more of an impact on "which party's policies should we lean towards?" than it does in determining an outcome.
[/QUOTE]
That's not true at all. The party that gets voted in becomes a voter of its own during its term. What nuanced policy leanings might have inspired their government become irrelevant and they just act as they do. If the green party doesn't have a chance this time around of being voted in, then don't vote for them. If they were gonna have a shot of winning there would've been more of a buzz about it.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;48870811]That's not true at all. The party that gets voted in becomes a voter of its own during its term. What nuanced policy leanings might have inspired their government become irrelevant and they just act as they do. If the green party doesn't have a chance this time around of being voted in, then don't vote for them. If they were gonna have a shot of winning there would've been more of a buzz about it.[/QUOTE]
right, because the conservative party was never pressured into reforming into the progressive conservatives with different policies... right?
And the liberals and NDP aren't worried about a coalition because they'll lose votes the the CPC... right?
For real, these parties make serious organizational changes based off of where they see votes heading. I disagree strongly with your opinion on this.
[QUOTE=willtheoct;48870798]They ain't talking about shit. They're now trying to be center, and their website has literally nothing on it. They're now the "we're not evil, but we don't know what to do" party.[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile Trudeau is actually saying stuff and doing a poor job at doing so.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48870920]Meanwhile Trudeau is actually saying stuff and doing a poor job at doing so.[/QUOTE]
?
There's nothing he's said that isn't agreeable, really. Though, he's not bringing up enough. Would be nice if he wanted to end whipped voting or put in actual climate regulations, or fix prostitution to comply with Amnesty's specs, or bring net neutrality to Canada, or raise our incredibly low and ineffective corporate taxes and fund education, or things like that.
But he's not doing a poor job on what he's saying.
op still need's a source
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;48871022]op still need's a source[/QUOTE]
found it, but he did post the entire article.
[URL="http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-grenier-polls-oct8-1.3262692?cmp=rss"]http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-grenier-polls-oct8-1.3262692?cmp=rss[/URL]
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;48870760][b]It's unfortunate, but the NDP's extremely anti-military laws have completely turned me off of their party[/b]. The liberal's are not much better but they are at least a decent middle ground between the conservatives and the NDP. My main gripe about the Liberal's is their support of bill C-51, but Trudeau has said he plans to alter it heavily if I'm not mistaken so we'll see what comes of it if he is elected.[/QUOTE]
Fucking read their platform before spewing nonsense. I saw nothing even vaguely anti-military in the NDP's platform. They're maintaining our current spending, making sure our troops have what they need, avoiding the F-35 disaster and being more open about procurement in general, and spending more money on support for veterans. If anyone is anti-military it's the Conservatives, dumping our troops in Afghanistan for 10+ years and then doing fuck all for them when they come back.
[editline]10th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=isreal?;48867730]
Vote communist if all else fails.[/QUOTE]
I wish I could but since I live in southern Alberta the only non-mainstream party running in my riding is the Christian Heritage Party.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48870458]Even just decriminalizing it is still a step in the right direction.[/QUOTE]
But Libs are for legalizing it which clearly is helping there party
Good? Bad? What's the story Canadians , is this Donald Trump or sanders
[QUOTE=Sableye;48876354]Good? Bad? What's the story Canadians , is this Donald Trump or sanders[/QUOTE]
It's easy enough to compare Harper to Trump on their Conservative views, but Trudeau and Mulcair aren't anywhere praised as much as Sanders.
[url="http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/nanos-poll-liberals-gain-advantage-as-election-enters-holiday-weekend-1.2604318#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=Facebook&_gsc=CbnQZrm"]New stats[/url], Liberals are ahead by 6 points!
[img]http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.2604322.1444475953!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;48875984]But Libs are for legalizing it which clearly is helping there party[/QUOTE]
and under a certain leader the NDP would have probably also been supporting legalization.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;48877580][url="http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/nanos-poll-liberals-gain-advantage-as-election-enters-holiday-weekend-1.2604318#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=Facebook&_gsc=CbnQZrm"]New stats[/url], Liberals are ahead by 6 points!
[img]http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.2604322.1444475953!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Except [url=http://ipolitics.ca/hcn/the-ekos-poll/]Ekos[/url] has the Conservatives ahead by 2.
These polls are less reliable than Rob Ford because they're all so all over the place and very dependent on where the polls are polling, who's asking, and who's answering. I remember one poll done for the notoriously left-wing Toronto Star had the NDP at 41%.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48877704]and under a certain leader the NDP would have probably also been supporting legalization.[/QUOTE]
Why did Layton have to die? He was the chosen one, the one to lead Canada from the darkness.
So much info, but damnit I still don't know 100% whether to go NDP or Liberal.
What's the best way to come out of this? NDP's been pushing in my area recently and that was my main vote, but Liberals also aren't a bad idea. And then there's majority / minority seating...
Should it be Lib/NDP as majority/minority with Conservatives being median?
[QUOTE=Daemon White;48882033]So much info, but damnit I still don't know 100% whether to go NDP or Liberal.
What's the best way to come out of this? NDP's been pushing in my area recently and that was my main vote, but Liberals also aren't a bad idea. And then there's majority / minority seating...
Should it be Lib/NDP as majority/minority with Conservatives being median?[/QUOTE]
If I was a master in swaying public opinion I'd say NDP folk should vote liberal to ensure majority government to undo most of harpers shenanigans.
Well, I know that Harper has to be kicked out. That's 100% for me.
Guess I'll just side with whoever has the best chance of being majority / winning against him.
Harper is running these new ads on the radio, today he ran an ad in which he said that "This election isn't a popularity contest". What a delusional leader..
I wish Layton was still alive. Mulcair is about as inspiring as a loaf of wonderbread.
I may not agree with the Liberal Party entirely, but I've far more hope that Trudeau will be the man to put Harper to bed, rather than Mulcair.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;48875931]Fucking read their platform before spewing nonsense. I saw nothing even vaguely anti-military in the NDP's platform. They're maintaining our current spending, making sure our troops have what they need, avoiding the F-35 disaster and being more open about procurement in general, and spending more money on support for veterans. If anyone is anti-military it's the Conservatives, dumping our troops in Afghanistan for 10+ years and then doing fuck all for them when they come back.[/QUOTE]
lmao I am fully aware that they are supporting the troops themselves which is fantastic, but they have taken an entirely pacifist stance on military matters. Their stance on the Syria crisis is to stop supporting the bombing campaign(and thus pull our support for the states), and instead waltz in and provide relief and support for those affected, and as nice as that is, there are many reputable organizations that already do that.
There are however, no organizations that go into war-zones and fight evil with force, whether it be from air or land, and in the case of ISIS, that is unfortunately all there is to do thanks to their fanaticism(asides from wait them out until they become exhausted or lose their zeal.
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;48882904]lmao I am fully aware that they are supporting the troops themselves which is fantastic, but they have taken an entirely pacifist stance on military matters. Their stance on the Syria crisis is to stop supporting the bombing campaign(and thus pull our support for the states), and instead waltz in and provide relief and support for those affected, and as nice as that is, there are many reputable organizations that already do that.
There are however, no organizations that go into war-zones and fight evil with force, whether it be from air or land, and in the case of ISIS, that is unfortunately all there is to do thanks to their fanaticism(asides from wait them out until they become exhausted or lose their zeal.[/QUOTE]
Yes but if the Canadian populace doesn't feel like putting their lives and wallets at risk in a straight out combat scenario, that's our choice isn't it?
Yeah fighting Isis is a good goal but we're not a warring nation. We help more than we hurt more often than not in modern conflicts. I don't support the NDP view on that situation, but they're not wrong to not want a war or troops on the ground when they come home and don't get all the help they need.
Guys.... I can't believe I'm gonna say it, but vote strategically
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48882969]Yes but if the Canadian populace doesn't feel like putting their lives and wallets at risk in a straight out combat scenario, that's our choice isn't it?
Yeah fighting Isis is a good goal but we're not a warring nation. We help more than we hurt more often than not in modern conflicts. I don't support the NDP view on that situation, but they're not wrong to not want a war or troops on the ground when they come home and don't get all the help they need.[/QUOTE]
I have no problem with a government listening to its people, but the NDP doesn't even want troops in the air doing bombing campaigns. The bombing campaigns are practically risk free on our part, as in there have been no allied casualties that I know of asides from one marine but that was due to a plane malfunction if I'm not mistaken, so I fail to see why we should stop performing them if they have even only a moderate impact on ISIS.
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;48883810]I have no problem with a government listening to its people, but the NDP doesn't even want troops in the air doing bombing campaigns. The bombing campaigns are practically risk free on our part, as in there have been no allied casualties that I know of asides from one marine but that was due to a plane malfunction if I'm not mistaken, so I fail to see why we should stop performing them if they have even only a moderate impact on ISIS.[/QUOTE]
There is no point in spending the money on killing people unless they are a direct threat. America or Russia could most likely have all of them gone in under a year if they did get bad enough, or a day if they went heavy armaments.
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;48882510]Trudeau will be the man to put Harper to bed, rather than Mulcair.[/QUOTE]
and climb in with him as the dominant one. :pudge:
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