[QUOTE=Flapadar;46021412]Now we have a choice between the Blue Tories, the Red Tories and the Yellow party-fellating-the-Blue-Tories. Or a wasted ballot (The Greens).
Thanks no voters.[/QUOTE]
If you think Scottish politicians wouldn't be equally shitty you are delusional.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46020442]You're not William Wallace mate.
In fact I'm going to be down to earth and most likely insult some Scot FP'ers in the process, so apologies in advance.
Do you know why America was one of the most Successful Independence stories of History? Because we weren't just some country in Europe that everyone had known about for hundreds of years, we were a collection of Thirteen colonies in the "New World". A whole continent that no one new of what lay within, a veritable treasure trove of resources and land!
And we are a powerful nation because we weren't afraid to expand Westward, and develop on these resources; Oil in Texas, vast fields in the Middle West for food, gold on the west coast, A mother fucking gangster turning a spot of desert in the middle of fuck all nowhere, into a glowing neon Jewel of sin that shines bright in the desert. We have survived a Civil War that killed friends and brothers, A Great War that tore Europe asunder, A Depression garnished by Prohibition and Gangsters, a World War that ended with us developing the mother of all weapons, Half a century's worth of tension against another power that, if provoked, would have spelt Atomic Doomsday for the entire planet, and a cowardly Terrorist attack on New York, to become the First World powerful nation that we are today.
What does Scotland have to support it's Independence? Does it have Oil field near Loch Ness? Is there Gold in a river by some sheep flocks? Besides 500 Miles, Kilts, Bagpipes, Heroin, and other stereotypes that everyone has known, what does Scotland truly have that can make it a reasonable country on the world stage?
As far as I know, nothing. Scotland leave the UK and it might just have become the world's very first third world nation that isn't colored (that I know of :v:).
Independence is really only meant for those that have something to support a new Government and can grow it's Economy in a reasonable period of time, as well as develop a defense force.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Scotland[/url] ???
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46021444]Vote purple cunts instead[/QUOTE]
But then we end up out of the EU. I'd like to stay, but I don't want to vote for any one of the three Tory parties.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;46021447]If you think Scottish politicians wouldn't be equally shitty you are delusional.[/QUOTE]
We only have one Conservative MP in Scotland. That's an improvement in my eyes.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46020442]You're not William Wallace mate.
In fact I'm going to be down to earth and most likely insult some Scot FP'ers in the process, so apologies in advance.
Do you know why America was one of the most Successful Independence stories of History? Because we weren't just some country in Europe that everyone had known about for hundreds of years, we were a collection of Thirteen colonies in the "New World". A whole continent that no one new of what lay within, a veritable treasure trove of resources and land!
And we are a powerful nation because we weren't afraid to expand Westward, and develop on these resources; Oil in Texas, vast fields in the Middle West for food, gold on the west coast, A mother fucking gangster turning a spot of desert in the middle of fuck all nowhere, into a glowing neon Jewel of sin that shines bright in the desert. We have survived a Civil War that killed friends and brothers, A Great War that tore Europe asunder, A Depression garnished by Prohibition and Gangsters, a World War that ended with us developing the mother of all weapons, Half a century's worth of tension against another power that, if provoked, would have spelt Atomic Doomsday for the entire planet, and a cowardly Terrorist attack on New York, to become the First World powerful nation that we are today.
What does Scotland have to support it's Independence? Does it have Oil field near Loch Ness? Is there Gold in a river by some sheep flocks? Besides 500 Miles, Kilts, Bagpipes, Heroin, and other stereotypes that everyone has known, what does Scotland truly have that can make it a reasonable country on the world stage?
As far as I know, nothing. Scotland leave the UK and it might just have become the world's very first third world nation that isn't colored (that I know of :v:).
Independence is really only meant for those that have something to support a new Government and can grow it's Economy in a reasonable period of time, as well as develop a defense force.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure they are not seeking to become a super power like Russia or the U.S. by wanting independence? Or what the hell.
[editline]19th September 2014[/editline]
And I don't know much about their economy but surely they are producing goods, and services, to trade.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46020442]What does Scotland have to support it's Independence? Does it have Oil field near Loch Ness? Is there Gold in a river by some sheep flocks? Besides 500 Miles, Kilts, Bagpipes, Heroin, and other stereotypes that everyone has known, what does Scotland truly have that can make it a reasonable country on the world stage?
As far as I know, nothing. Scotland leave the UK and it might just have become the world's very first third world nation that isn't colored (that I know of :v:).
Independence is really only meant for those that have something to support a new Government and can grow it's Economy in a reasonable period of time, as well as develop a defense force.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK's population. 8.3%! Remember this important figure... 8.3%
But we DO have...
32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production.
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production
81% of the untapped coal reserves
62% of the timber production
46% of the total forest area
92% of the hydro electric production
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
60% of the fish landings
30% of the beef herd
20% of the sheep herd
9% of the dairy herd
10% of the pig herd
15% if the cereal holdings
20% of the potato holdings
...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whiskey industry.
We have a...
17 billion pound construction industry
13 billion food and drink industry
10 billion business services industry
9.3 billion chemical services industry
A 9.3 billion tourism industry
7 billion financial services industry
5 billion aeroservice industry
4.5 billion pound whiskey exports industry
3.1 billion pound life sciences industry
Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports
We have 25% of Europes wave and wind energy potential.
And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil and gas reserves.[/quote]
An independent Scotland was never about being a world superpower like the USA. Independence was about building a fairer society for everyone living in Scotland.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;46021522]An independent Scotland was never about being a world superpower like the USA. Independence was about building a fairer society for everyone living in Scotland.[/QUOTE]
And most importantly, 100% of the still being in the UK.
I'm highly surprised at the result in Edinburgh, since i actually live there and all i saw for the past couple of days was "Yes" fucking everywhere.
David Cameron is going to be known as the guy who kept the union together now and, i think we're going to be heavily shafted on those promises earlier.
But whatever, we'll try again in 20/30~ years because we're Scottish and we tend to do things the convoluted and hard way, if the worse comes to the worse.
[QUOTE=Faunze;46020244][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9RCe55y0dw&feature=youtu.be[/MEDIA]
Shedding votes now, thanks for that guys.[/QUOTE]
those are clearly not ballot papers and that is clearly not a shredder
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46020442]You're not William Wallace mate.
[/quote]
Loved this post, so american.
[quote]
And we are a powerful nation because we weren't afraid to expand Westward, and develop on these resources; Oil in Texas, vast fields in the Middle West for food, gold on the west coast, A mother fucking gangster turning a spot of desert in the middle of fuck all nowhere, into a glowing neon Jewel of sin that shines bright in the desert. [/quote] You also got stuff from abroad. Pre ww2 you were mostly isolated/independent but after that you started getting cheap goods from places abroad, you didn't outright own them but you certainly exercised some measure of power over them. In this sense you had become like the european powers you escaped from, exploiting the weaker countries for your own gain.
[quote]A Great War that tore Europe asunder[/quote]
The US survived very well, selling goods to both sides of the fight enjoying seeing the super powers smashing themselves to pieces while the US got rich from loans and exports to the UK and germany (when it could) It is quite admirable though how the US was one of the only countries who proposed a fairer treaty of Versailles.
[quote] a World War that ended with us developing the mother of all weapons,[/quote]
Again coming in late, letting the sides stick it out for abit and again profiteering from the war. Those loans took a long time to pay back and you got a fair amount of influence from it.
[quote]
Half a century's worth of tension against another power that, if provoked, would have spelt Atomic Doomsday for the entire planet,
[/quote]
While the US was preferable to the soviets both sides were pretty shitty, funding paramilities and facists the world over to get supplies and support. That said the brits were dirty also, just as we were when we were building our empire.
[quote]
What does Scotland have to support it's Independence? Does it have Oil field near Loch Ness? Is there Gold in a river by some sheep flocks? Besides 500 Miles, Kilts, Bagpipes, Heroin, and other stereotypes that everyone has known, what does Scotland truly have that can make it a reasonable country on the world stage?
As far as I know, nothing. Scotland leave the UK and it might just have become the world's very first third world nation that isn't colored (that I know of :v:).
Independence is really only meant for those that have something to support a new Government and can grow it's Economy in a reasonable period of time, as well as develop a defense force.[/QUOTE]
I think the different between political independence and economic independence should be considered. Scotland wants to be independent as a nation politically, not economically. They will still trade goods and services.
If the viability of a country depending entirely on how self sufficient it was I'm not sure any country would do very well. Even the US, land of milk and honey relies heavily on other countries.
Ok, bend over!
[B]Edit:[/B]
[QUOTE=dunkace;46020313]Im extremely please by the vote! But already Yes people I know are kicking off about the generic things like "torys, westminster, nuclear weapons, vote rigging etc etc etc" Scotland is going to be a mess for some time to come because of this[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://facepunch.com/image.php?u=496460&dateline=1357217740[/IMG]
Good news! America gets our favourite britbong comedian, Piers Morgan, back! This is a good day for everyone, except the minority, and as an American I know one thing well, fuck the minority!
[editline]19th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Faunze;46020331]I'm not starting a facepunch revolution, I'm spreading the shitfest that is my facebook homepage at the moment, everyones going apeshit.[/QUOTE]
The only thing you're doing is box begging and assery.
[QUOTE=Faunze;46020331]I'm not starting a facepunch revolution, I'm spreading the shitfest that is my facebook homepage at the moment, everyones going apeshit.[/QUOTE]
That'll only make you lose friends more, stop trying to spread your conspiracy theory shit here
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46020442]
We have survived a Civil War that killed friends and brothers, A Great War that tore Europe asunder, A Depression garnished by Prohibition and Gangsters, a World War that ended with us developing the mother of all weapons, Half a century's worth of tension against another power that, if provoked, would have spelt Atomic Doomsday for the entire planet, and a cowardly Terrorist attack on New York, to become the First World powerful nation that we are today.
[/QUOTE]
You know, this post is utterly american, it almost pours american exceptionalism doctrine. To look at those things differently.
A civil war no worse, than most found in Europe, a great war, to which the US came incredibly late and where it profiteered from all sides for a significant part of it, a depression which was far less severe than that found in the likes of Germany, a world war that the US sat out for a very long time as well, once again profiteering from all sides, a cold war, which the US inadvertently caused by not listening to their European allies and a terrorist attack, which while singularly debilitating is nowhere near long term terror campaigns in some nations. (including european ones)
Disappointed, but what happened happened.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;46021412]Now we have a choice between the Blue Tories, the Red Tories and the Yellow party-fellating-the-Blue-Tories. Or a wasted ballot (The Greens).
Thanks no voters.[/QUOTE]
it's ok I'm working on a political cartoon
it's an enormous boot made of pound coins stamping on the combined faces of william wallace, alex salmond and your dreams for another 300 years
[editline]19th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=squids_eye;46021447]If you think Scottish politicians wouldn't be equally shitty you are delusional.[/QUOTE]
but, all of the bad politicians in the world are in Westminster ;_;
WELCOME BACK TO THE EMPIRE
IT'S THE SECOND FILM IN THE STAR WARS TRILOGY IN REALITY
Now we can truly see how many promises are kept. It will be interesting to see how Wales and N. Ireland react if Scotland does get granted so many benefits.
[B]BRITISH NOW, BRITISH FOREVER![/B]
What a shame
[QUOTE=cucumber;46020407]I can't tell any alternatives, but i can tell you that it was a shitty method of choosing if Scotland should be independent or not. There are still 1,539,920 people who wants Scotland to be independent. I dont think it is gonna sit well with them.[/QUOTE]
This could be said about every single election that's ever taken place.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;46020201]i wanted independence[/QUOTE]
no fuck that
do you know what multiple independent countries on a small island looks like
hispañola that's what
and guess who gets to be haiti
soz scotland u are stuck with ukip for the time being
Why is no a good thing again?
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46020442]What does Scotland have to support it's Independence? Does it have Oil field near Loch Ness? Is there Gold in a river by some sheep flocks? Besides 500 Miles, Kilts, Bagpipes, Heroin, and other stereotypes that everyone has known, what does Scotland truly have that can make it a reasonable country on the world stage?
[/QUOTE]
A large financial sector in Edinburgh, a vast amount of renewable resources, strong sources of education, a strong creative industries sector, a strong cultural industries sector, a bustling tourism industry (because y'know, Americans love looking at castles), various innovative industries. The list goes on and it contains things that prove that Scotland can have a varied, strong and reliable economy.
You've just been bigging up a country founded on genocide and slavery then relied on outdated stereotypes to laugh off the aspirations of a nation that does have belief in itself. The facts and figures are out there yet you can't be arsed looking for them.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46020938]What Economic Potential?
Did Scotland find a new cache of Oil to sell to America for loads of money?
No?
Then Scotland would become instantly poor.[/QUOTE]
Please research the topic before you go around spewing this filth.
I'm perfectly content with the outcome of the referendum, but I find your attitude about this whole thing to be both idiotic and offensive.
[QUOTE=redBadger;46022392]Why is no a good thing again?[/QUOTE]
Because it means the price of scotch won't be going up at the liquor store.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29277527[/url]
Salmond's stepping down it seems.
just dropping these in here
[video=youtube;yprh8ElXgbU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprh8ElXgbU[/video]
[video=youtube;tN9EC3Gy6Nk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk[/video]
[IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/10/article-2099577-0249C527000004B0-421_468x301.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/07/article-0-013AF34900000578-924_468x286.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02348/clegg2_2348219b.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/9/25/1380133694864/Ed-Miliband-Damian-McBrid-010.jpg[/IMG]
[B]last but not least[/B]
[t]http://the-zfactor.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/o-NIGEL-FARAGE-LAUGHING-facebook.jpg[/t]
[IMG]http://puu.sh/bFoe5/36b7eea27b.png[/IMG]
Wish I could say I was surprised.
Knew it
Unfortunately I forgot to make a bet
People seem to think the UK Is safe now, but If the Westminster leaders don't deliver on their vows then shit will go flinging. Next time will probably be a Yes, judging by the govts track record of fucking people over.
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