Clinton says she is done talking about Donald Trump - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Cructo;51248673]There's more than enough time for you to do a thorough research on each of their policies and make a sensible decision, or you can just not show up to vote and sit back and enjoy the fun ride while America crashes and burns[/QUOTE] I'm not quite sure the best place to be finding factual information about candidate policies, do you have a suggestion? I kinda do feel like whoever gets elected US is gonna crash and burn though, the tensions have gotten so extreme. [QUOTE=CatFodder;51248675]Didn't Correct the Record turn out to be like 6 people? It's really not a sign of a healthy mind to assume that anyone who disagrees with you is a paid shill.[/QUOTE] Some of my friends sound like tin foil hat people but I have no idea. I don't really know anything about Correct the Record because I try not to watch the news that much, news adds more stress I really don't need right now.

[QUOTE=nagachief;51248706]I'm not quite sure the best place to be finding factual information about candidate policies, do you have a suggestion? I kinda do feel like whoever gets elected US is gonna crash and burn though, the tensions have gotten so extreme. Some of my friends sound like tin foil hat people but I have no idea. I don't really know anything about Correct the Record because I try not to watch the news that much, news adds more stress I really don't need right now.[/QUOTE] Honestly it's not hard to see that Trump's policies all sound like something from a bad comedy, including policies that will bring the average middle-class American to ruin and make the poorest Americans lose the insurance Obamacare brought them. They're estimated to cost the exchequer almost a trillion dollars, on top of which he's going to dilute regulations and lower taxes. Where's he going to find the money to pay for all this after lowering the taxes? austerity measures? Clinton on the other hand will continue most of the existing policies, if nothing else, and won't unduly rock the boat like Trump has planned, because rocking the boat/tearing down the existing system for the sake of doing so with no clear plan on what's coming next, is a bad idea regardless of your motives, though it's no secret that Donald Trump is not the ideal representative of the American people that he seems to think he is. He's one among the 1% looking out for himself and his kind, nothing more.

[QUOTE=da space core;51248353]I have a feeling that this will just encourage him to say even worse things.[/QUOTE] Like giving someone the silent treatment. [QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51248392]??? I thought the Clinton campaign was on fire with all the unethical and even downright illegal things that have been being uncovered[/QUOTE] You must not have been following the recent developments of the election very closely, then. With the slight intermission of the Podesta leak, the focus has been on Trump. There's been a string of scandals, starting with the tax return leaks, and graduating from the stupid shit he said during debates to pussy grabbing and refusing to guarantee the peaceful transition of power. The Clinton October surprise never materialized.

[QUOTE=KillRay;51248429]538 says you have a 13% chance of being right[/QUOTE] Actually, that's just the chance of him winning. The chance of a landslide is 0.2%.

[QUOTE=Jordax;51248505]Nate Pyrite[/QUOTE] Cute. Kinda borrowed from /r/the_donald, though.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51248529]Also why are you calling him Nate Pyrite?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Cructo;51248644]It's a crappy meme that came from either reddit or /pol/ in which they substitute "Silver" with whatever other metal[/QUOTE] Also, iron pyrite is Fool's Gold. Because clever wordplay is superior to actually having policies to argue over.

[QUOTE=Cructo;51248503]To be fair I think both candidates have focused well on issues and policies on their respective rallies, but the media tends to focus more on scandals and attacks from either side[/QUOTE] Trump doesn't have policies, he has talking points. Unlike Clinton, he has not taken the time to explain [I]how[/I] he plans to accomplish the vast majority of his rhetoric. For example, he had been touting his amazing "plan to defeat ISIS in less than thirty days" for well over a year, promising that nobody had a better plan than he did, and that he even knew more than all our generals. When pushed to explain what his plan was, he (fucking hilariously) explained that he [I]can't say,[/I] because it would [B]spoil the element of surprise.[/B] Guess what, though? After [U]over a year[/U] of pushing this "tremendous plan," he finally [I]did[/I] share the key to his amazing strategum; an idea so profound that [I]not even our generals[/I] managed to think of over the past fifteen years. You know what it was? It was asking the generals to come up with a plan. Donald [I]"I know more than the generals do, believe me"[/I] Trump's incredible, world changing plan to defeat religious extremism in less than a month was to simply ask the very same fucking people he had been disparaging to figure it out for him. That is Donald Trump in a nutshell. The same can be said about the vast majority of his policy. Trump's economic plan? Completely unworkable. Countless economists have come forth to explain that it is, in an absolutely elementary sense, an impossible fantasy. You can't [I]lower[/I] tax revenue, [I]raise[/I] government budgets, and [I]shrink[/I] the deficit. That's just not how money works, and if Donald Trump thinks it is, then that certainly explains why so many of his companies have gone bankrupt. When pressed to explain how he thinks this is going to work, he launches into rhetoric about job creating and bringing jobs back to America. Okay, so how is bringing jobs back to America? That great plan? Oh, unfortunately he has never actually detailed that. When pushed at the debates, he just talked about how we should never have lost them in the first place, and blamed Hillary for not fixing the problem already. Threw in a few promises to defet ISIS, too. Trump's fucking wall? Let's set aside the fact that it is a [I]ridiculous concept[/I] to begin with that would have [B]zero[/B] impact on immigration and smuggling, and that countless engineers and financial experts have come forward to prove that his promise to get it built for $8-12bn is an absurd underestimation, and that even its [I]annual maintenance and staffing costs[/I] were likely to exceed that by a fair margin after a decade or so of wear and tear. Trump has [B]never[/B] adequately explained how the [U]fuck[/U] he intends to make Mexico pay for it. Okay, that's not [I]entirely[/I] true... He has said he's going to reduce our trade deficit and cut humanitarian aid with Mexico. What he [I]hasn't[/I] explained he intends to do this without shattering the fragile semblance of balance that Mexico is struggling to hold onto, thus [B]dramatically worsening[/B] the very same conditions he's trying to fight with this ridiculous, self-defeating hunk of branded concrete. Saying that Trump does a great job explaining his policy is like saying that parents do a great job explaining the existence of Santa Claus. Children being too ignorant and naive to ask critical questions don't make the stories true. At least with Santa Claus the lie is cute and harmless. I sure as hell can't say the same thing about Trump.

It'd be good to hear if Hillary has some actual policies yet (she didn't seem to have any in the DNC debates), but [url=http://www.isidewith.com/candidate-guide/hillary-clinton]isidewith.com[/url] already has a pretty good idea of what her stance on the issues is. And I'm still not happy with either of the major parties and their pro-war foreign policies.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51248757]Also, iron pyrite is Fool's Gold. Because clever wordplay is superior to actually having policies to argue over.[/QUOTE] but his name is Silver, that comparison doesn't even make any sense as a pun

[QUOTE=Cone;51248907]but his name is Silver, that comparison doesn't even make any sense as a pun[/QUOTE] The joke is based on the gradual devaluation of his name. Silver to bronze to pyrite. It's not funny, but those places thrive on cheap memes.

[QUOTE=lavacano;51248889]It'd be good to hear if Hillary has some actual policies yet (she didn't seem to have any in the DNC debates), but [url=http://www.isidewith.com/candidate-guide/hillary-clinton]isidewith.com[/url] already has a pretty good idea of what her stance on the issues is. And I'm still not happy with either of the major parties and their pro-war foreign policies.[/QUOTE] I can't the remember the details of them, but at the very least I'm pretty sure she detailed both tax reform and policies about student loans/college tuition.

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51248743]I can't tell if this is a good or bad move.[/QUOTE] I think it is a good move. She needs to focus on her policies, she can't depend on going aggressive against Trump. Kerry did that with Bush in 2004 and lost because he hardly talked about his policies. And policies games is Clinton's game, that's her true strength.

[QUOTE=Cructo;51248745]You can read each candidate's plans on the following pages [URL="https://www.johnsonweld.com/issues"]Gary Johnson's page on the issues[/URL] [URL="https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/"]HRC[/URL] [URL="https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies"]Trump[/URL] [URL="http://www.jill2016.com/plan"]Jill[/URL] then you can refer to expert's analyses of each candidate's policies and then draw your own conclusions[/QUOTE] As nice as Hillary's policy detail and plan is laid out, the investigation and wikileaks stuff concerns me greatly. Huh, some of Jill's policies seem a little on odd side, but the ranked voting and voting reform one is insanely enticing because of it's huge ramifications. I'm not too hot on the 100% renewables, though because with current and proposed tech that's laughably impossible. The $15/hr min wage does worry me though, I'd have to look more into the effects of that, though I would certainly make 3 more dollars an hour extra. I love the idealistic nature of the libertarian party's platform, but human nature complicates things pretty heavily and like Johnson, Trump's deregulation policy concerns me greatly. I mean, I guess if you don't believe in climate change there's no problem at all. I guess despite some eyebrow raising policies, Jill looks like my candidate and writing in Bernie as a second choice if something happens between now and then.

Two party system means that if you vote third party, you're not voting for the president in this election, you're voting to support that third party long-term. Your vote is going to have fuck-all effect on who wins this election though because the system makes it impossible for third party candidates to win.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;51249287]Two party system means that if you vote third party, you're not voting for the president in this election, you're voting to support that third party long-term. Your vote is going to have fuck-all effect on who wins this election though because the system makes it impossible for third party candidates to win.[/QUOTE] Honestly at this point, I no longer care. This country is fucked anyways. Might as well hold some dignity before it all goes to hell.

[QUOTE=Cructo;51249258]tbh it looks like many of the liberals who don't want to vote for clinton are going to vote for jill[/QUOTE] Kinda funny that people will switch their votes from a person who was cleared of any wrongdoing to someone who has a fucking warrant out for her arrest lmao

[QUOTE=nagachief;51249313]Honestly at this point, I no longer care. This country is fucked anyways. Might as well hold some dignity before it all goes to hell.[/QUOTE] You are what is wrong with this country.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;51249337]You are what is wrong with this country.[/QUOTE] How so? Would you rather I not vote if it's a 'wasted' vote?

[QUOTE=nagachief;51249354]How so? Would you rather I not vote if it's a 'wasted' vote?[/QUOTE] Those two things are essentially the same in the end.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;51249368]Those two things are essentially the same in the end.[/QUOTE] And how does that make me what is wrong with this country?

[QUOTE=nagachief;51249400]And how does that make me what is wrong with this country?[/QUOTE] Because you refuse to use the voice given to you by the generations of your countrymen who fought for it. Atleast go out and vote for Stein if you want. But dont write in or do nothing. That just makes you apathetic. Apathy is death.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51248392]??? I thought the Clinton campaign was on fire with all the unethical and even downright illegal things that have been being uncovered[/QUOTE] people, and the mass media, care a lot more about pussy tapes than political scandals. it's pretty wrong, but I mean just look at all the people that suddenly went against Trump the moment the tape came out. The fuck was their position before? "I'm fine with everything else Trump has said, until this moment" basically. Hillary could (and does) have some major fucking dirt on her, and yet no one would really care. That 2013 interview where she talked about how no fly zones in Syria would kill 'untold amounts of civilians?' (and now she wants to make a no fly zone in Syria) No one talks about that. Because pussy grabbing is more important than anything else.

[QUOTE=Naught;51249416]people, and the mass media, care a lot more about pussy tapes than political scandals. it's pretty wrong, but I mean just look at all the people that suddenly went against Trump the moment the tape came out. The fuck was their position before? "I'm fine with everything else Trump has said, until this moment" basically. Hillary could (and does) have some major fucking dirt on her, and yet no one would really care. That 2013 interview where she talked about how no fly zones in Syria would kill 'untold amounts of civilians?' (and now she wants to make a no fly zone in Syria) No one talks about that. Because pussy grabbing is more important than anything else.[/QUOTE] there are a million real and salient things that disturb people about trump and pussy grabbing is simply one high profile one

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;51249337]You are what is wrong with this country.[/QUOTE] This is a little strong. Wouldn't it be more apt to suggest that the system that's put two incredibly unlikeable nominees in place to run for president is more at fault? Maybe if the US didn't have to choose between one brand of poison or another to elect as commander in chief people would be more likely to go out and vote.

[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;51249422]This is a little strong. Wouldn't it be more apt to suggest that the system that's put two incredibly unlikeable nominees in place to run for president is more at fault? Maybe if the US didn't have to choose between one brand of poison or another to elect as commander in chief people would be more likely to go out and vote.[/QUOTE] as long as people don't vote in primaries and midterms this kind of bullshit will keep happening if you just lie back and take your single prescribed political action once every 4 years, you will never receive real change.

[QUOTE=Naught;51249416]people, and the mass media, care a lot more about pussy tapes than political scandals. it's pretty wrong, but I mean just look at all the people that suddenly went against Trump the moment the tape came out. The fuck was their position before? "I'm fine with everything else Trump has said, until this moment" basically. Hillary could (and does) have some major fucking dirt on her, and yet no one would really care. That 2013 interview where she talked about how no fly zones in Syria would kill 'untold amounts of civilians?' (and now she wants to make a no fly zone in Syria) No one talks about that. Because pussy grabbing is more important than anything else.[/QUOTE] the pussy thing wasn't an outlier, but part of a long list of terrible shit he's said and done, you do realize, don't you? like I'll be honest, I dislike Clinton as much as I do Trump, but if the choice is between these two, I'll pick Clinton any day compared to this orange neanderthal.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;51249337]You are what is wrong with this country.[/QUOTE] Voting blank, not voting and voting third party are clearly not wise. But nagachief and everyone else who don't want either of the two likely candidates are [I]victims[/I] of the two-party system. Besides being extreme hyperbole, you shouldn't say that he is what's wrong with the country when he is just the victim of the system. It's the system that's what's wrong, not the victims of it.

people like the idea of a "protest vote" because it takes zero effort and accomplishes nothing while making them feel like they did something basically the political equivalent of "thoughts and prayers :)"

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51249432]the pussy thing wasn't an outlier, but part of a long list of terrible shit he's said and done, you do realize, don't you? like I'll be honest, I dislike Clinton as much as I do Trump, but if the choice is between these two, I'll pick Clinton any day compared to this orange neanderthal.[/QUOTE] I'm a clinton supporter, I know all about Trump. But you can't deny that the culture has degraded into this sort of thing. Clinton has shitload of scandals, big and small, that people could talk about, but they won't even make a fucking impact because people care more about what trump does/has said. And you can say 'oh yea that's the tipping point' but many supported him/liked him before. So they didn't care about a single fucking thing he did except for that one tape.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51249414]Because you refuse to use the voice given to you by the generations of your countrymen who fought for it. Atleast go out and vote for Stein if you want. But dont write in or do nothing. That just makes you apathetic. Apathy is death.[/QUOTE] I'll probably vote for Stein. And honestly, I might as well be dead anyways. I do not value my life nor is there any hope left for it to get any better for me, so I don't feel bad about voting third party, even if it means it's a throwaway vote. Stein is probably the only one that could make my life mean anything more than 'work, sleep, eat, repeat' in this fucking country anyways.