Clinton says she is done talking about Donald Trump - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Naught;51249452]I'm a clinton supporter, I know all about Trump. But you can't deny that the culture has degraded into this sort of thing. Clinton has shitload of scandals, big and small, that people could talk about, but they won't even make a fucking impact because people care more about what trump does/has said. And you can say 'oh yea that's the tipping point' but many supported him/liked him before. So they didn't care about a single fucking thing he did except for that one tape.[/QUOTE] people are definitely aware of hillary's emails. I can't find the poll right now but something like 70% of americans are aware of the emails thing. that's just how fucking bad trump is [editline]23rd October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=nagachief;51249459]I'll probably vote for Stein. And honestly, I might as well be dead anyways. I do not value my life nor is there any hope left for it to get any better for me, so I don't feel bad about voting third party, even if it means it's a throwaway vote. Stein is probably the only one that could make my life mean anything more than work, sleep, eat, repeat in this fucking country anyways.[/QUOTE] but there is no chance of stein ever being elected or even listened to again after this election is over... what do you hope to accomplish?

[QUOTE=Turnips5;51249467] but there is no chance of stein ever being elected or even listened to again after this election is over... what do you hope to accomplish?[/QUOTE] I don't know, a reason to say I stood up for something so I have a reason not to kill myself?

[QUOTE=nagachief;51249497]I don't know, a reason to say I stood up for something so I have a reason not to kill myself?[/QUOTE] you sound extremely depressed. I guarantee you, whatever happens this election, the result is probably not going to fix it

Not to hijack this thread but naga it sounds like you have much more immediate and important issues than the election. Have you spoken to anyone in real life about this?

I won't lie, the real protest vote this season is trump. if you think there's any chance your life situation could get better, vote for clinton. if you want to make everything much worse for everyone, vote for trump

[QUOTE=nagachief;51249459]I'll probably vote for Stein. And honestly, I might as well be dead anyways. I do not value my life nor is there any hope left for it to get any better for me, so I don't feel bad about voting third party, even if it means it's a throwaway vote. Stein is probably the only one that could make my life mean anything more than 'work, sleep, eat, repeat' in this fucking country anyways.[/QUOTE] you'd be surprised how close hillary is to stein. yes, hillary has a lot of back-room dealing and shady campaign financing, but every candidate for the last 50 years has had that. how else would you run a campaign that spans hundreds of millions of dollars in spending? also stein is an idiot

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51249513]Not to hijack this thread but naga it sounds like you have much more immediate and important issues than the election. Have you spoken to anyone in real life about this?[/QUOTE] I have a therapist, but my work has caused me to miss the last few appointments. It's Holiday Hell and I'm snapping at just about everyone. I was on antidepressants for a bit, but they caused me to become incredibly angry and agitated, so to keep my job I stopped taking them. I haven't been back to my doctor because I don't really have the time nor money to. There are points I feel I need to be in a loony bin to keep myself safe, but then I'd lose my job and everything else and then I'd really be doomed.

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;51249443]Voting blank, not voting and voting third party are clearly not wise. But nagachief and everyone else who don't want either of the two likely candidates are [I]victims[/I] of the two-party system. Besides being extreme hyperbole, you shouldn't say that he is what's wrong with the country when he is just the victim of the system. It's the system that's what's wrong, not the victims of it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=RearAdmiral;51249422]This is a little strong. Wouldn't it be more apt to suggest that the system that's put two incredibly unlikeable nominees in place to run for president is more at fault? Maybe if the US didn't have to choose between one brand of poison or another to elect as commander in chief people would be more likely to go out and vote.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=nagachief;51249354]How so? Would you rather I not vote if it's a 'wasted' vote?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Cructo;51249351]following your convictions and not voting for someone you don't agree with is wrong[/QUOTE] If you think that voting third party is the best choice for the country, that increasing the support for that party and sending the top parties the message that they need to change their position if they want your vote, is going to benefit the country more than if you were to choose between the two viable candidates, then that's absolutely valid. But you didn't say that. You said "the country's fucked, I don't care about what's best for it, I'm voting for this person because it makes me feel good", and that kind of apathy is what's wrong with this country. You can change the system if people really try, but if you don't even care and don't even try to fix anything then you are the problem. You are what's letting the system remain fucked.

[QUOTE=Cructo;51249557]holy fuck look at this blatant guilt tripping jesus christ dude[/QUOTE] you better believe I got more words than that for trump voters, buddy

[QUOTE=Cructo;51249557]holy fuck look at this blatant guilt tripping jesus christ dude[/QUOTE] well it is a fact trump is going to make things worse in there are people deliberately voting him because he will make things worse

[QUOTE=nagachief;51249532]I have a therapist, but my work has caused me to miss the last few appointments. It's Holiday Hell and I'm snapping at just about everyone. I was on antidepressants for a bit, but they caused me to become incredibly angry and agitated, so to keep my job I stopped taking them. I haven't been back to my doctor because I don't really have the time nor money to. There are points I feel I need to be in a loony bin to keep myself safe, but then I'd lose my job and everything else and then I'd really be doomed.[/QUOTE] Is there any way you can get off work to go to one of these appointments? It sounds like you should really go over this with a therapist again. I am aware that is not always possible however. And no you should not be in a looney bin. I feel for you man. Depression is a horrible illness and the fact nobody in power seems willing to truely get to grips with it is awful. Sorry if my post was too aggressive earlier. You might want to talk to others about this too.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51249601]well it is a fact trump is going to make things worse in there are people deliberately voting him because he will make things worse[/QUOTE] its true, trump's economic plan is estimated to lose millions of jobs if placed in effect.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;51249582]that kind of apathy is what's wrong with this country. You can change the system if people really try, but if you don't even care and don't even try to fix anything then you are the problem. You are what's letting the system remain fucked.[/QUOTE] I still think that's hyperbole at best. I'll agree with you that apathy in general is a huge problem, but is apathy the one and only reason that people aren't gathering in great numbers to abolish the old system and implement a new one? I'm not so sure. How should people go about changing the system, anyway?

[QUOTE=Cructo;51248404]These are lies fabricated Russian propaganda and she doesn't have to worry about it[/QUOTE] Yea, and I'm the mythical Flying Spaghetti monster. [editline]24th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;51249609]its true, trump's economic plan is estimated to lose millions of jobs if placed in effect.[/QUOTE] You know the recovery after the 2008 recession was the first time after a recession that the rebound in GDP growth did not exceed 3% since the great depression? The loss of GDP caused by the recession was also the largest since the post WW2 recession, where the economy transitioned from a war economy to a peacetime economy. Clinton/Obamanomics are the the cause. Bailing out recessions do nothing to fix the glaringly obvious problems from deregulation and high taxation. Keynesian economics are just unsustainable.

[QUOTE=space1;51251838]Yea, and I'm the mythical Flying Spaghetti monster.[/QUOTE] He was being sarcastic. [quote]Keynesian economics are just unsustainable.[/QUOTE] How so?

[QUOTE=smurfy;51248442]Trump landslide is 0.3%, less likely than an electoral college deadlock[/QUOTE] Don't even joke. 8 years of Bush Jr, the only president to receive his daily brief as a coloring book while Cheney was in the next room boiling puppies alive.

[QUOTE=27X;51251917]Don't even joke. 8 years of Bush Jr, the only president to receive his daily brief as a coloring book while Cheney was in the next room boiling puppies alive.[/QUOTE] whoa hey don't judge coloring books are cool

[QUOTE=phaedon;51251884] How so?[/QUOTE] Why do we pay taxes? To fund the government. If we're just paying the taxes back to businesses, what sense does it really make to have done that? Bailouts are just encouraging ridiculous risk taking in big business.

[QUOTE=space1;51251930]Why do we pay taxes? To fund the government. If we're just paying the taxes back to businesses, what sense does it really make to have done that? Bailouts are just encouraging ridiculous risk taking in big business.[/QUOTE] A few industries rely on at least in part to government subsidies, including the Agricultural industry and the Oil Industry. Often this is relied upon to stop multinationals from outsourcing production to other countries with lower standards of living. Without it, many hundreds of thousands of people would lose their jobs. Basically if you want people to be able to live, you either gotta give them welfare directly so that they can afford to feed themselves when the companies they work for end up using outsourcing or automation to get rid of them- or you have to pay the companies themselves to keep hiring people. Helping poor people is considered bad, so the US does the latter. The United States has a very low standard of education compared to other western countries and therefore lacks large numbers of more highly educated jobseekers- so there's only two reasons to put your multinational company in the united states: tax loopholes and government subsidies, otherwise you might as well move to China. On the other hand, there are important reasons to encourage subsidies of things that might be considered beneficial to the general public. [url]https://www.thebalance.com/government-subsidies-definition-farm-oil-export-etc-3305788[/url]

[QUOTE=space1;51251930]Why do we pay taxes? To fund the government. If we're just paying the taxes back to businesses, what sense does it really make to have done that? Bailouts are just encouraging ridiculous risk taking in big business.[/QUOTE] you know that the banks made a contractual agreement to pay back a majority of the money that they owed and have done so, right? and that a lot of the money paid to the banks wasn't tax payer money but money created through QE? there's a reason the dems and obama were heavily favoured in the beginning, the economy is in a relatively good shape and is improving steadily. look at the UK that has taken austerity as a major policy approach and how slow our recovery has been in comparison to our keynesian neighbours- the american left has always handled the economy better and it's [URL="https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/screen-shot-2014-07-29-at-11-05-52-am.png"]a fact[/URL] do you not even remember how much chaos the bush tax cuts caused? i think its hilarious you think the recession was caused by 'high taxation'.

[QUOTE=Bobie;51252296]you know that the banks made a contractual agreement to pay back a majority of the money that they owed and have done so, right? and that a lot of the money paid to the banks wasn't tax payer money but money created through QE? there's a reason the dems and obama were heavily favoured in the beginning, the economy is in a relatively good shape and is improving steadily. look at the UK that has taken austerity as a major policy approach and how slow our recovery has been in comparison to our keynesian neighbours- the american left has always handled the economy better and it's [URL="https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/screen-shot-2014-07-29-at-11-05-52-am.png"]a fact[/URL] do you not even remember how much chaos the bush tax cuts caused? i think its hilarious you think the recession was caused by 'high taxation'.[/QUOTE] Money they loaned at a point the moneys worth was lowest in recent US history, at how many percentage interest again? and what pay terms? no bank would ever have lent that kind of money at those rates to a client in the state they were in at that point... it was a steal and we would be better off if the money lent was given to the people with savings accounts to pay back damages and the people that did went to jail for their crimes... We would probably have a better economy if we did.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51252321]Money they loaned at a point the moneys worth was lowest in recent US history, at how many percentage interest again? and what pay terms? no bank would ever have lent that kind of money at those rates to a client in the state they were in at that point... it was a steal and we would be better off if the money lent was given to the people with savings accounts to pay back damages and the people that did went to jail for their crimes... We would probably have a better economy if we did.[/QUOTE] why cripple the banks straight out of a recession with a ridiculous loan? the plan worked well, and it is working still. it's strange how republicans say 'the economy isn't improving [i]enough![/i]' when it is improving faster than the majority of the other western democracies, most of whom fell for the austerity argument. the bank bailouts & associated loans aren't even a partisan issue either, both republicans and democrats agree that the necessary action was taken. and ask yourself what kind of government would be lenient with low taxation, poor loans and horrible deregulation? probably not a dem government.

[QUOTE=space1;51251838]You know the recovery after the 2008 recession was the first time after a recession that the rebound in GDP growth did not exceed 3% since the great depression?[/QUOTE] so? most developed/western economies can't grow that fast nowadays anyways

[QUOTE=Bobie;51252338]why cripple the banks straight out of a recession with a ridiculous loan? the plan worked well, and it is working still. it's strange how republicans say 'the economy isn't improving [I]enough![/I]' when it is improving faster than the majority of the other western democracies, most of whom fell for the austerity argument. the bank bailouts & associated loans aren't even a partisan issue either, both republicans and democrats agree that the necessary action was taken. and ask yourself what kind of government would be lenient with low taxation, poor loans and horrible deregulation? probably not a dem government.[/QUOTE] Nah, giving the money to the people instead of the banks is not the austerity argument... its the moral argument. My argument is not that the left handled the economy worse then the right... its that the left did not go far enough, and used a right wing solution repackaged... Also in Europe they did neither, except for iceland that is... they probably had it the worst out of the entire EU, but they came out waaaaay on top for doing the right things.

I don't get what Trump gets by denying climate change and not offering an alternative for Obamacare. If the guy really wanted to distance himself from Wall St ideas, he should start there. Not promising a Wall designed by Bush, built by both Obama and Clinton. I also find very hard to believe he is going to end the NATO.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51252740]so? most developed/western economies can't grow that fast nowadays anyways[/QUOTE] Mostly due to high taxation and bad trade deals. America isn't as rich as you would think it is, and is actually behind in many ways technologically.

[QUOTE=space1;51251838]Yea, and I'm the mythical Flying Spaghetti monster. [editline]24th October 2016[/editline] You know the recovery after the 2008 recession was the first time after a recession that the rebound in GDP growth did not exceed 3% since the great depression? The loss of GDP caused by the recession was also the largest since the post WW2 recession, where the economy transitioned from a war economy to a peacetime economy. Clinton/Obamanomics are the the cause. Bailing out recessions do nothing to fix the glaringly obvious problems from deregulation and high taxation. Keynesian economics are just unsustainable.[/QUOTE] we dont have high taxes, the right says we do but any accountant worth their pay will get a corporation below 15% through loopholes, depreciation and profit shifting. silicon valley barely pays taxes at all and hordes its money off shore to avoid further taxes while they are also the most profitable companies in the world.

[QUOTE=space1;51252844]Mostly due to high taxation and bad trade deals. America isn't as rich as you would think it is, and is actually behind in many ways technologically.[/QUOTE] who the fuck is America behind technologically also Americas taxation is actually relatively quite low compared to the rest of the developed nations

[QUOTE=space1;51252844]Mostly due to high taxation and[B] bad trade deals[/B]. America isn't as rich as you would think it is, [B]and is actually behind in many ways technologically.[/B][/QUOTE] Trump, you have a campaign to be running into the ground, why are you posting on FP.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51253061]who the fuck is America behind technologically also Americas taxation is actually relatively quite low compared to the rest of the developed nations[/QUOTE] well to be fair apparently the chinese happen to have the world's fastest supercomputer, if nothing else