Wisconsin Republicans Step Up Pressure on Dems Who Fled State - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Glaber;28200439] Those who stand for Democracy do not run away from it.[/QUOTE] These democrats had absolutely no other way to represent the people who voted for them. The republicans would have steamrolled over them and this bill would have passed on day one if they didn't leave. They're doing what the people who voted for them sent them there to do - blocking this detrimental bill from passing.

Glaber since the senators left no other legislation has gone through. If Wisconsin really has a deficit isn't this exactly what the doctor ordered?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28200480]These democrats had absolutely no other way to represent the people who voted for them. The republicans would have steamrolled over them and this bill would have passed on day one if they didn't leave. They're doing what the people who voted for them sent them there to do - blocking this detrimental bill from passing.[/QUOTE] So? They could of filibustered and watered it down if they could. Just like with the Republicans and the Health care Bill no one read. Lambeth, today is presidents day, a federal holliday. The Wisconsin Senate will be open and back to work with or without the Democrats Tomorrow.

I thought you couldn't pass legislation without all senators present.

[QUOTE=Glaber;28200636]So? They could of filibustered and watered it down if they could. Just like with the Republicans and the Health care Bill no one read. Lambeth, today is presidents day, a federal holliday. The Wisconsin Senate will be open and back to work with or without the Democrats Tomorrow.[/QUOTE] The healthcare bill was highly read, and highly gutted by the republicans. The similarities in these two situations is almost nil. [editline]21st February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;28200961]I thought you couldn't pass legislation without all senators present.[/QUOTE] you got that wrong, just not without republican senators, dems don't have to be there.

Who can stand up for the Educator's rights? They can't strike, so what are they going to do? I'm happy to see that the democrats did what they could to stop the bill from going through the government.

Just thought I'd throw [url=http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=9803297]this[/url] out there, in case Glaber missed it in the last thread. You can't seem to get it in your head, do you? Leaving was the only thing they could have done to stop this bill. If it's ok for Republicans to spend days filibustering a bill, it's ok for Democrats to leave. It's essentially a form of filibustering and you're just splitting hairs to make your party seem better. This is the kind of bullshit Fox gets away with.

[QUOTE=ItchyBarracuda;28183157]So you're defending fleeing the state in a tantrum because they can't get their way? Isn't this politics as usual? How the fuck is it taking their rights away? The people voted the Reps into power, no one was complaining on this board before when the Dems had a majority in congress for instance. They abandoned their post, it's against the law. Would you feel the same way if Republicans did the same thing in a similar situation? Given this board's political lean I think everyone would have a field day with how it was unconstitutional, illegal etc etc[/QUOTE] Yeah man fuck the people who voted for the 14 democrats. Their voices don't matter. Fuck them into the ground.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28202073]Yeah man fuck the people who voted for the 14 democrats. Their voices don't matter. Fuck them into the ground.[/QUOTE] Well, clearly, tyranny of the majority isn't real and even if it was, fuck them cause they're not a majority

[QUOTE=Glaber;28200636]So? They could of filibustered and watered it down if they could.[/QUOTE] The republicans don't need any support from the democrats for this bill, and showed no interest in opening debates. Further, 'running away' is equivalent to a filibuster here.

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;28202582]The republicans don't need any support from the democrats for this bill, and showed no interest in opening debates. Further, 'running away' is equivalent to a filibuster here.[/QUOTE] Why glaber doesn't get that this bill wasn't up for discussion is beyond me.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28202630]Why glaber doesn't get that this bill wasn't up for discussion is beyond me.[/QUOTE] So it was never up for discussion then. Well in that case, why should the people of Wisconsin trust Democrats after this?

[QUOTE=Glaber;28202859]So it was never up for discussion then. Well in that case, why should the people of Wisconsin trust Democrats after this?[/QUOTE] Are you not getting it? The bill wasn't up for discussion. There's no way for the democrats to act democratic about this when it's not up for discussion. They can't do their job. The only thing they could do was the same damn thing Lincoln did. Pull away, run away, whatever the fuck you feel like calling it out of ignorance. The people should trust the democrats for doing the ONLY democratic thing they could. [b]They're being far more democratic than the republicans, who are ignoring the fact the democrats ALSO represent the people of the state of Wisconsin.[/b] [editline]21st February 2011[/editline] and don't you fucking dare come back with some "healthcare" bill quip. You know very fucking well, the republicans read the bill, were given ample time, and basically stripped the bill out, I can go looking for posts of yours at the time that prove you were happy about them doing just that if it's possible for me to do so. The situations are so different it hurts.

How can democrats represent their people when starting tomorrow, the Wisconsin Republicans are going to go though other bills that don't require the Democrats? And what Lincoln did back then is no where near as bad as running away into another state. Lincoln jumped from a second story balcony to try to stop the vote. These Democrats, They may be trying to do the same as Lincoln, but this is about more than a federal Bank. Lincoln was trying to prevent the Illinois legislature from leaving by preventing the vote on adjournment. These Democrats are trying to prevent passage of a budget bill that only needs [B]one [/B]more person present. Plus If you want to look at that Lincoln article again, The Democrats are painted as the bad guys. [quote]Now it just so happened that Illinois was in deep financial trouble in 1840. Its bank had given out more paper money than it had gold and silver in reserve. [B]That's when the Democrats saw their chance to destroy the despised institution[/B]. They agreed to allow it to suspend its obligation to exchange its paper money for specie, but only for the remainder of the legislative session. [/quote] [url]http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=9803297[/url] Lincoln wanted to save a Federal Bank. What are these Democrats trying to save? Also Lincoln's move was risky, the Democrats move is just Cowardly. (By the way I am aware that Lincoln's attempt failed, but it may have helped with him becoming president.) PS. From what I could gather from that article. Lincoln didn't leave the state.

[QUOTE=Glaber;28203511]What are these Democrats trying to save?[/QUOTE] Unions

[QUOTE=Glaber;28203511]How can democrats represent their people when starting tomorrow, the Wisconsin Republicans are going to go though other bills that don't require the Democrats? And what Lincoln did back then is no where near as bad as running away into another state. Lincoln jumped from a second story balcony to try to stop the vote. These Democrats, They may be trying to do the same as Lincoln, but this is about more than a federal Bank. Lincoln was trying to prevent the Illinois legislature from leaving by preventing the vote on adjournment. These Democrats are trying to prevent passage of a budget bill that only needs [B]one [/B]more person present. Plus If you want to look at that Lincoln article again, The Democrats are painted as the bad guys. [url]http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=9803297[/url] Lincoln wanted to save a Federal Bank. What are these Democrats trying to save? Also Lincoln's move was risky, the Democrats move is just Cowardly. (By the way I am aware that Lincoln's attempt failed, but it may have helped with him becoming president.) PS. From what I could gather from that article. Lincoln didn't leave the state.[/QUOTE] Okay, for the last god damn time glaber, in Lincoln's day, the democrats and republicans we're on the opposite side of the spectrum that they are now. That's that, for the millionth fucking time. And, how the fuck are the republicans being democratic by ignoring the democrats? I imagine the democrats are waiting for the protests to knock some sense into someone so they can have an open debate, and do their jobs, rather than just pass it irrespective of the dems. The dems just want to talk and debate, where as the republicans will pass it even if the dems come back. This is their intent. You're defending undemocratic actions.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28203613]Okay, for the last god damn time glaber, in Lincoln's day, the democrats and republicans we're on the opposite side of the spectrum that they are now. That's that, for the millionth fucking time. And, how the fuck are the republicans being democratic by ignoring the democrats? I imagine the democrats are waiting for the protests to knock some sense into someone so they can have an open debate, and do their jobs, rather than just pass it irrespective of the dems. The dems just want to talk and debate, where as the republicans will pass it even if the dems come back. This is their intent. You're defending undemocratic actions.[/QUOTE] DUUHUHUG, No abyss, you is wrong! Time doern't mean anythung, a repubican is a repubican, a democrut is a democrut. Sheess, you is stupid. I mean fo ezample, da Bible says all da Jewish peoples is bad an' is selling stufs in church. An' yet peoples is saying dat Joos isn't gready today? I mean how stubid is people!?!

[QUOTE=Glaber;28203511] Lincoln wanted to save a Federal Bank. What are these Democrats trying to save? [/QUOTE] The rights of the worker from being trampled on.

Glaber think of it this way. Not only is Walker taking away their benefits, he is trying to take away their ability to ever ask for them again.

Perhaps you haven't noticed, being that you Live out side of the US, but the public perception of Labor unions is not a favorable one. This Blog reveals how people see unions [url]http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/02/wisconsin-reveals-class-war-between-haves-and-have-yours[/url] Oh and for Habsburg Have this article: [url]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49893.html[/url] [url]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49893_Page2.html[/url] [url]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49893_Page3.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Glaber;28204036]Perhaps you haven't noticed, being that you Live out side of the US, but the public perception of Labor unions is not a favorable one.[/QUOTE] Amongst the people you listen to no, of course not

People hate unions because I said so wha wha wha why won't you believe me. [editline]21st February 2011[/editline] is that what he said?

I still don't understand why you people think them running out of the state is a bad thing. The second one of them enters the chamber they are instantly begin the vote and push it through with ZERO discussion. This is why they are out of the state. They cant forcefully bring them back and they are doing their job that they were elected to do. That is the only way to do it as he wont listen. Stalling it out and having all these people not doing their job is going to hurt and he is going to eventually understand that and kill the bill to actually do something about it. Unless he is a complete idiot then oh well, I guess nothing that involves money will be passed.

[QUOTE=Dalndox;28181489]I still call bullshit on this. He's only two years older than me, yet with half the common sense. :colbert:[/QUOTE] Yeah there's no adults that follow Fox News [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;28204119]Amongst the people you listen to no, of course not[/QUOTE] Well no one I've ever known has a favorable opinion of them so he might be right on that one

[QUOTE=Glaber;28204036]Perhaps you haven't noticed, being that you Live out side of the US, but the public perception of Labor unions is not a favorable one. This Blog reveals how people see unions [url]http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/02/wisconsin-reveals-class-war-between-haves-and-have-yours[/url] Oh and for Habsburg Have this article: [url]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49893.html[/url] [url]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49893_Page2.html[/url] [url]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49893_Page3.html[/url][/QUOTE] How people see it and how it is are two very different things glaber. In reality, unions are generally great. They provide a lot of services and fight for a lot of rights though a lot of injustices. It's actually great for most things. However, there are times when they're in the wrong. No ones denying that. But all in all, trampling union rights for that? That's stupid. You don't seem to understand how serious union busting this is.

It's funny how it's only the teachers' union he's going after. Police union? Nah they're fine according to Walker. :downs: [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [url]http://www.channel3000.com/politics/26933675/detail.html[/url] [quote] Walker's bill would strip state and local government employees, including teachers, custodians and game wardens, of their ability to collectively bargain everything except their wages. But the measure carves out a special exemption for local police officers, firefighters and the Wisconsin State Patrol. Critics said the move amounts to political payback for unions that support Walker and could create a schism between government workers. During his campaign for governor, Walker was endorsed by the Wisconsin State Troopers, as well as the Milwaukee Police and Firefighters associations and the West Allis Professional Police. In all, five public employee unions endorsed Walker, and four of the five are completely unharmed by Walker's budget repair bill, WISC-TV reported. Walker has denied that the unions are getting political payback. [/quote] Pretty interesting article. There are probably tons more, this is just the first I found.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28204119]Amongst the people you listen to no, of course not[/QUOTE] Well there is some argument that Unions increase the price of some goods, it could very well be true but most employers choose (or are persuaded) to cooperate as is their right to do so, or not. It will just cause a shit storm which they choose to avoid. It's a social contract. I support the right to unionize, for the record, I'm just stating why some people dislike them.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28204466]Well there is some argument that Unions increase the price of some goods, it could very well be true but most employers choose (or are persuaded) to cooperate as is their right to do so, or not. It will just cause a shit storm which they choose to avoid. It's a social contract. I support the right to unionize, for the record, I'm just stating why some people dislike them.[/QUOTE] as if it matters all glaber is doing is changing the subject yet again to avoid having to deal with things like facts and reality

Come to Oregon, we'll kick the shit out of this teabagger.

[quote]But the measure carves out a special exemption for local police officers, firefighters and the Wisconsin State Patrol. During his campaign for governor, Walker was endorsed by the Wisconsin State Troopers, as well as the Milwaukee Police and Firefighters associations and the West Allis Professional Police. In all, five public employee unions endorsed Walker, and four of the five are completely unharmed by Walker's budget repair bill, WISC-TV reported. [/quote] Holy shit Impeach this fuck