UK Conservatives draw up plan for 9 hour school days - Polidicks

Nine hours is way too much. Teaching more doesn't always mean best. It would be draining and stressful on the teachers more than the students. You can only learn so much in a day before your mind starts to wonder. It's hard enough as it is learning 6+ different things in one day, half of which you might not give a damn about.

[QUOTE=Medevila;43724749]School year round with shorter days and longer breaks is the way to go 'summer break' is an antiquated useless tradition that does more harm than good[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://artwurksunlimited.com/files/2014/01/no.jpg[/IMG] [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] summer break is the BEST tradition. summer break is the ONLY tradition.

No doubt they'd cram it full of fucking retarded "employability skills" and "professionalism training" related bumf rather than actual quality learning material.

[QUOTE=JXZ;43724980]summer break is the BEST tradition. summer break is the ONLY tradition.[/QUOTE] I went to a year round school briefly and it wasn't that bad. Sure you don't get a big block of summer time where you're free from school, but you got long breaks spread all throughout the year and it was nice if say you wanted to go to a theme park because there was zero crowds. IIRC the breaks lasted 2-3 weeks a piece with one big break that was a bit over a month somewhere between them.

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;43724550]works so well, that a sizable part of their population is outright uninterested in relationships(this includes teenagers), due to essentially lack of time and having to focus about their (future in the case of teens) careers/whatever.[/QUOTE] I don't know. Every Japanese woman I've been with sure seemed to have a libido. Haha...

[QUOTE=Jmir 54;43724462]Reminds me of Japan's school system but their entire culture revolves around hard work so it just naturally works there[/QUOTE] not really [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=InvaderNouga;43725086]I don't know. Every Japanese woman I've been with sure seemed to have a libido. Haha...[/QUOTE] personal anecdotes are irrelevant though [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Medevila;43724749]School year round with shorter days and longer breaks is the way to go 'summer break' is an antiquated useless tradition that does more harm than good[/QUOTE] how? summer breaks allow students to do out of school activities that would make them miss school days otherwise

We had 4 classes a day, 75 minutes each. It went class - 10 minute break - class - hour lunch - class - 10 minute break - class. This was on a rotating 9 day schedule. Homework got pretty nuts though, usually in the 2-3 hours range. Add to that my 1.5 hour bus trip (each way... I was a 15 minute car ride away, but we had to transfer kids off our bus in the middle of fucking nowhere north of the city) and that made my actual work day about 12 hours long. Once I got to college, I had about between 3-5 hours a day of class and around an hour to two hours of homework, if I structured my time properly. My bus travel was down to an hour each way, bringing my day to, at worst, 9 hours a day. I could study on my bus rides and write stuff/do research between classes at school. I had more time than ever to socialize, could work a part-time job, and I didn't have to wake up at 5:30/6 in the morning. And yet everyone was telling me "Flak, college is a LOT tougher than high school". On another note, I think schools have the wrong idea with tests and exams. I know part of it is the school board (they're dumb) and part of it is the teachers (tests are easier to mark and teachers are lazy as fuck), but I think the focus should be on long-term projects. Two main reasons for this: 1) Any one failure doesn't torch the entire project (and thus your entire year) 2) It more closely resembles work done in an actual job, especially if done with an iterative approach. Not many workplaces have a lot of one off projects where you're not allowed any resources and you have to memorize everything ever. And that's coming from one of the best test writers ever. As much as I always thought tests were easy marks for me, I thought they weren't actually a very good indicator of anything. Too many outside factors were influencing people's test results. [QUOTE=.Lain;43725132]how? summer breaks allow students to do out of school activities that would make them miss school days otherwise[/QUOTE] Does the UK cover tuition? By the time I was 16 most people here were using their summer break to be able to pay for university, because the government gives us nothing. Sad part is in Ontario and some other provinces, most summer jobs won't pay enough to even cover the year's tuition anymore, let alone books, travel, food, housing, etc. They've really let post-secondary costs get out of control in Canada.

tuition is free up until post-secondary level. i usually get a summer job with longer shifts than i normally would though, a lot of people do the same

I say expand the days. Not by 2-3 hours though, but by one, and have that hour in the middle of the day as a break period, time for them to rest and refocus. I always went home and fell asleep right after eating a sandwich, getting battered mentally like that is absolutely exhausting.

[QUOTE=Medevila;43724749]School year round with shorter days and longer breaks is the way to go 'summer break' is an antiquated useless tradition that does more harm than good[/QUOTE] My school didn't have air conditioning, except in the staff offices, conference room, a random computer lab, the nurses office, and the gym. I'm so glad we got summers off, it would have been unbearable otherwise. [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] The list makes it sound like a lot of it was AC'd, it wasn't. None of the classrooms were, where you spend 85% of your time, and they got so hot and humid when summer came near.

~Snip, whoops wrong country~

[QUOTE=.Lain;43725252]tuition is free up until post-secondary level. i usually get a summer job with longer shifts than i normally would though, a lot of people do the same[/QUOTE] I thought tuition was covered for further education (6th form/ college/ vocational) as long as you're <18? Higher education isn't covered however, and you rely on a student loan from SFE if you have no other income to pay the tuition fees for.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;43725799]I thought tuition was covered for further education (6th form/ college/ vocational) as long as you're <18? Higher education isn't covered however, and you rely on a student loan from SFE if you have no other income to pay the tuition fees for.[/QUOTE] i meant to include further eduction in that

6 hours of school during AS is enough so if you'd kindly go fuck yourselves

I'm not having a child within this country if this shit actually goes through in a few years. School days are already long enough - the last periods are pretty much pointless because everyone is just so fucking tired. Imagine if you had to spend 3 more hours there.

Fuck off, don't extend the days (And I'm not just saying this because I go to school, I don't, I left 2+ years ago) School can be emotionally draining enough for some students, let alone throwing extra hours on the end

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;43724544]More like China to be honest. That's where the real competition for jobs and education is.[/QUOTE] In China they all cheat and bribe each-other while the government sends all of the smartest to Shanghai to take international testing to make the country look good. Hell, Highschool/University students protest when the government cracks down on cheating.

Maybe if they make the system more efficient and worthwhile, they wouldn't need the 3 extra hours.

Gove and his policies are just out-right intolerable. I wouldn't know of a single teacher who would give any form of support for this move.

[QUOTE=Jmir 54;43724462]Reminds me of Japan's school system but their entire culture revolves around hard work so it just naturally works there[/QUOTE] It works SO well that suicide is a national crisis, along with the declining birth rate because people just don't have time to socialise.

I know this is confirmed fake but the mentality [I]is[/I] there, both in the british lawmakers and the US ones. "Let's teach kids at an early age to hate their lives, and stress them to the brink!" My parents never believed me when I said I was stressed and depressed because of school, and because I was never helped and was called a liar and shit like that by them, It's permanently affected me: I become stressed over the simplest things and often have panic attacks if I can't get things done as quick as possible.

[QUOTE=Jmir 54;43724462]Reminds me of Japan's school system but their entire culture revolves around hard work so it just naturally works there[/QUOTE] It doesn't work, suicide rates in Korea, China and Japan are fucking disgusting due to their schooling system and cultural expectations. [quote]In cases of youth suicide, the most common cause is pressure related to the College Scholastic Ability Test.[/quote] [quote]Chinese children as young as six are suffering from serious stress at school, according to the international study, which shines a light onto the pressures faced by Chinese youngsters being pushed to take advantage of the opportunities of the 'new' China. A scientific survey of 9 to 12-year-olds in eastern China found that more than 80 per cent worried "a lot" about exams, two-thirds feared punishment by their teachers and almost three-quarters reported fearing physical punishment from their parents.[/quote] Children shouldn't be worrying about things like stressing out of their entire future life due to their academic career, its the most important period of life in development. If its so bad that people truly feel the only way out is by ending their life something is SERIOUSLY wrong [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_South_Korea#Causes[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan[/url] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7027377/Third-of-Chinese-primary-school-children-suffer-stress-study-finds.html[/url] [url]http://world.time.com/2013/09/17/chinese-university-asks-students-to-sign-suicide-waivers/[/url]

why is it britain seems to want to become like china these days.... i mean the bonus from this is when exams come around kids will be litterally killing themselves like they currently do in china because they are in school 9+ hours, AND have 3-4 hours of homework a day

[QUOTE=Sableye;43727331]why is it britain seems to want to become like china these days.... i mean the bonus from this is when exams come around kids will be litterally killing themselves like they currently do in china because they are in school 9+ hours, AND have 3-4 hours of homework a day[/QUOTE] Politicians forgetting how easy their lives were, and want to blame all the country's problems on the youth and education system.

[QUOTE=Sableye;43727331]why is it britain seems to want to become like china these days.... i mean the bonus from this is when exams come around kids will be litterally killing themselves like they currently do in china because they are in school 9+ hours, AND have 3-4 hours of homework a day[/QUOTE] Pretty much all major UK politicians are private schooled toffs that had an easy way through life, and have no connection with the average worker at all. (even labour, which [b]used[/b] to be good) They just look at the stereotype of China, Japan and Korea and think "yep, we can copy that from them and the our worker drones will be perfect employees", ignoring all cultural differences.

[QUOTE=.Lain;43725252]tuition is free up until post-secondary level. i usually get a summer job with longer shifts than i normally would though, a lot of people do the same[/QUOTE] post-secondary? I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I'm pretty sure that University is the only tuition form that requires students to pay. Otherwise, unless you're going out of your way to find a unique and special course, they're usually free. (Primary-High School-College is free, Uni is not, at least that's what I seem to be getting)

[QUOTE=.Lain;43725252][B]tuition is free up until post-secondary level.[/B] i usually get a summer job with longer shifts than i normally would though, a lot of people do the same[/QUOTE] Only in England. Scottish and EU students can go to Uni for free here, not sure about Wales or NI though.

[QUOTE=alien_guy;43727613]Only in England.[/QUOTE] it seems to be mostly free (not certain) here in n. ireland. [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Kickin Balls;43727609]post-secondary? I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I'm pretty sure that University is the only tuition form that requires students to pay. Otherwise, unless you're going out of your way to find a unique and special course, they're usually free. (Primary-High School-College is free, Uni is not, at least that's what I seem to be getting)[/QUOTE] yes, i know. i corrected myself a few posts above; i said post secondary because i am attending sixth form at the same school i took secondary education at, so it flew over my head temporarily

[QUOTE=.Lain;43727651]it seems to be mostly free (not certain) here in n. ireland. [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] yes, i know. i corrected myself a few posts above; i said post secondary because i am attending sixth form at the same school i took secondary education at, so it flew over my head temporarily[/QUOTE] Rixe informed me saying Apprenticeships also need paying if you're 24 and over. But das okay :D

And i thought my classes from 8:10 till 15:00 were long.