Huge blow to Obama care as a court rejects subsidies. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=mark6789;45470175]No it's not. In my mom's department they use to get money back for every test they do which is around $1500 or more, with Obama care they only get $60 or less. So now they gotta lay off and or close the cardiovascular department. Its happening everywhere at hospitals[/QUOTE] To counter your argument, my mother's hopstial is claiming that Obamacare is hurting them. Meanwhile my mom has been telling me about how overpaid the doctors and board room staff are compared to the nurses who haven't had a raise in just about 4 years because they're not making money because of poor planning, horrible business decisions and the fact that the system(Crozer Keystone) is stealing all the good people, literally.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;45466990]The only way the US will ever get socialised health care is if Canada invades us. Psst, do it.[/QUOTE] Canada would fall faster than Poland if they tried to.

[QUOTE=Stopper;45467004]What, hold on - I thought federal level laws were the ultimate authority. Why deny coverage?[/QUOTE] The courts have say over the Legislative and Executive branches. They get to determine if a law is legal in the eyes of the Constitution or not. [editline]22nd July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Explosions;45469836]Why do people give Obamacare so much crap? It's almost identical to Germany or Japan's systems.[/QUOTE] Socialists and Imperialists [editline]22nd July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=mark6789;45470175]No it's not. In my mom's department they use to get money back for every test they do which is around $1500 or more, with Obama care they only get $60 or less. So now they gotta lay off and or close the cardiovascular department. Its happening everywhere at hospitals[/QUOTE] Sounds like your mom's hospital was scamming the government/insurance companies/patients and someone is finally doing something about it.

Ok maybe I didn't word it right. Obama care is making some of the departments non-profitable so there closing them. There having a full press release tomorrow

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45470293]How is that the President's fault and not the result of an overbloated medical industry?[/QUOTE] Presidents elected to be the scapegoat for the countries problems or like actually create them.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;45466990]The only way the US will ever get socialised health care is if Canada invades us. Psst, do it.[/QUOTE] Haha, who would want to set foot in the US? You guys don't even have health care. We'd probably have to teach creationism in our schools, too. No thanks. [sp]And our troops would come home, rambling on about the temperature in Fahrenheit[/sp]

[QUOTE=mark6789;45471035]Ok maybe I didn't word it right. [B]Obama care is making some of the departments non-profitable so there closing them[/B]. There having a full press release tomorrow[/QUOTE] ??? [URL="http://www.myunionhospital.org/unionhospital/index.php/about-us"]http://www.myunionhospital.org/unionhospital/index.php/about-us[/URL] [QUOTE][B]As a not-for-profit healthcare system[/B], we are committed to providing advanced, quality healthcare to our communities. Since our beginnings in 1892, we have continued to improve and expand our services, facilities and the skills of our employees to provide care to all residents of the Wabash Valley, regardless of their ability to pay.[/QUOTE] Is this not the right hospital?

Y'know, since the US can't get its shit together, and has become an Oligarchy where voting really doesn't matter, I think I might just move north to Canada. I'd like some healthcare. I haven't been able to afford any for years. Obamacare is a mess, would rather not be involved.

[QUOTE=willtheoct;45471112]Haha, who would want to set foot in the US? You guys don't even have health care. We'd probably have to teach creationism in our schools, too. No thanks. [sp]And our troops would come home, rambling on about the temperature in Fahrenheit[/sp][/QUOTE] You'd also have to start paying for the rest of NATO.

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;45468824]I assume you sit at home and not vote as well.[/QUOTE] As someone who has voted every single year since I became eligible to do so, yeah this country fucking blows.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;45470646]Most of you may not know how many problems this is causing in the medical field. People cant afford to make appointments or pay their copays. Information is not being shared between hospitals/practices, and some people exploit the system while others suffer increased costs. On top of ths, doctors are too busy and actually get screwed by the system for doing surgeries. They say some surgeries are unnecessary but infact saved the patients life, but oh no under obamacare it was unnecessary and the doctor has his pay taken away from him or her. obamacare is a huge pain in the ass for people in the medical field.[/QUOTE] And you can blame the Republicans in congress for that. Don't blame Obama for those idiots cutting a bill apart.

Don't freak out. It wasn't even the entire appeals court (which will be the next step), and it's not even close to the Supreme Court. It was two Republican justices against one Democrat. Also, the question is over whether states that refused to set up their own exchanges (i.e. third world-wannabe red states) can get subsidies. People will flip the fuck OUT when their insurance quadruples because their regressive asshole governors seized on to a court case decided by unelected judges as an excuse to withhold insurance subsidies that the state doesn't even have to pay for. It will be a whole different ball game than refusing the Medicaid expansion, which only screwed poor people who fell into a certain income window and don't have the time or money for political activism.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;45472130]And you can blame the Republicans in congress for that. Don't blame Obama for those idiots cutting a bill apart.[/QUOTE] As far as I have read about this, the ruling was based on the language of the bill as written when it passed. [QUOTE= Washington Times]The suit, Halbig v. Burwell, argues the Affordable Care Act explicitly reserved subsidies for people who purchased a plan on an exchange “established by the State.” In real terms, that would mean the 15 exchanges set up and run by 14 states and the District.[/QUOTE] It passed with not a single Republican vote, so how the Republicans are to blame is beyond me. You could blame the states for not setting up exchanges which would have allowed for the subsidies to be enacted, but this would also cover places like Oregon who had exchanges but shut them down.

Ok so this is probably going to the supreme court and they better change this. While I really dislike this healthcare law.. a lot. Especially as someone who has to pay for his own. I find something seriously wrong with the feds being able to collect fines from those not willing/cannot afford to get insurance but refusing to help those that do. Who may have little to no money. Regardless if they got their plan from a state exchange the feds are the ones that collect the income tax fines not the state. So in my opinion they should be obligated to help those that they forced to get plans. In my opinion this entire bill needs to be scrapped and redone as a much shorter bill with a clear goal for the people not the insurance/pharmaceutical companies. All I personally have got out of this bill is: - Raised premiums. - 25% increase in copays. On everything except prescriptions. - Extra tests i have to pay for to keep my particular plan. - Coverage decreased from 80% to 70% for things like inpatient care, surgeries etc. Great bill. Wonderful results. Less for more and fuck the people. 'Merica...

[QUOTE=Squad1993;45470646]Most of you may not know how many problems this is causing in the medical field. People cant afford to make appointments or pay their copays. Information is not being shared between hospitals/practices, and some people exploit the system while others suffer increased costs. On top of ths, doctors are too busy and actually get screwed by the system for doing surgeries. They say some surgeries are unnecessary but infact saved the patients life, but oh no under obamacare it was unnecessary and the doctor has his pay taken away from him or her. obamacare is a huge pain in the ass for people in the medical field.[/QUOTE] Yes, but there are 20 million people who are benfitting of it. My mom works in the medical field, and the so-called "Obamacare" is indeed screwing her over, but she doesn't give a shit. She realizes that it benefits so many people, and that really, nationalized healthcare is the way to go. Obamacare may be kind of a mess, and honestly a lot of that was because it had to be stripped down so much, and even now the Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to kill it in its infancy. But no matter how shitty is starts, I think in the future it will be refined and helpful, so long as it survives the current backlash. The Affordable Care Act is a huge step in the right direction. Nobody should ever have to worry about not receiving medical care; good health should be a basic human right that should be available to all people who are responsible about their own care. The fact that [I]keeping people alive[/I] is a business in this country is absolutely fucking disgusting.

[QUOTE=mark6789;45471035]Ok maybe I didn't word it right. Obama care is making some of the departments non-profitable so there closing them. There having a full press release tomorrow[/QUOTE] Who's fault is that? Not Obama, guess who? The businessmen running the companies.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45473538]Who's fault is that? Not Obama, guess who? The businessmen running the companies.[/QUOTE] I suppose it's also the fault of the consumer if a $50 sales tax suddenly gets placed on all food and they can no longer afford to buy their own food. They didn't cause their business to no longer be profitable when a third party comes in and screws around with how they're allowed to manage their money.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;45472130]And you can blame the Republicans in congress for that. Don't blame Obama for those idiots cutting a bill apart.[/QUOTE] Not a single Republican in Congress voted for ACA. The Democrats could have put in a clause that it rain candy sprinkles in there and the GOP wouldn't have been able to stop it from passing.

I find it sickening how the American people pay similar tax percentages and get really nothing to show for it compared to those other nations. No universal health care. No post-high school education.

[QUOTE=halofreak472;45473678]I suppose it's also the fault of the consumer if a $[B]50 sales tax suddenly gets placed on all food and they can no longer afford to buy their own food.[/B] They didn't cause their business to no longer be profitable when a third party comes in and screws around with how they're allowed to manage their money.[/QUOTE] You do realize food that isn't hot-served or pre-prepared is tax free right? Or is that just in Texas? If sales tax goes up and suddenly your Big Mac is 50 bucks more make your own damn food.

All this is the fault of the insurance companies and not Obama or the hospitals or corruption(unless insurance company lobby-ism counts.) Why do you guys have such a backward healthcare system? Gotta buy that insurance bro !

This got confusing really quickly from the same court. It ruled that the subsidies are illegal and legal within 2 or so hours. So basically this is just a horrible mess which will take months/years to figure out and by then it will be too late to really undo everything.

Like Pelosi said: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what's in it." We're finally finding out what's actually in those 2,000+ pages of legalese.

It's not going to fly. The specific language in the ACA refers to "the State" and given the context this clearly refers to the federal government being in the right over subsidies. Let's also zoom out for a second and keep in mind that this "huge political victory" that Republicans and conservatives are exalting today would [I]actually kill people[/I] if it actually came to fruition. But I guess beating Obama is more important than American lives. But it's okay because this won't make it past the Supreme Court.

[QUOTE=plokoon9619;45470802]Canada would fall faster than Poland if they tried to.[/QUOTE] Yup! We sure would, what with insane amounts of your money going into military instead of things like healthcare. You keep your tanks, we will stick with our awesome healthcare and other great things.

It's not the ACA causing these issues; its how much the government has gutted it and the greed of corporations not wanting the poor to be able to afford proper healthcare. If you whine about how your insurance goes up and how people are losing their jobs, blame the company not the ACA. They're just being stupid greedy

[QUOTE=Rents;45467109]Giving medicine to poor people is [i]communism[/i][/QUOTE] First its free healthcare. Then its living wage. Then its secret police and labour camps.

[QUOTE=nagachief;45475815]You do realize food that isn't hot-served or pre-prepared is tax free right? Or is that just in Texas?[/QUOTE] Probably only Texas. You pay tax on all items sold in my state with pretty much no exception. Then again, $50 tax on a goddamn Big Mac would be like 1000% sales tax. :v:

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;45466990]The only way the US will ever get socialised health care is if Canada invades us. Psst, do it.[/QUOTE] They won't be able to do it because their troops are so nice that they would only invade your homes and drink beer with you and watch hockey [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=ZakkShock;45468573]I hate this fucking country.[/QUOTE] Shit Michael Moore is on facepunch

healthcare should never be for-profit