Religious activities and "time-out" could mean fines for childcare centres.
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[QUOTE=Jimpy;28989481]Time out is effectively "I'm not going to do anything till you learn your lesson by not doing anything". It's a stupid punishment that effectively teaches kids nothing by having them do nothing. There are more effective punishment strategies.[/QUOTE]
It seems like it teaches them that if they do something bad they don't get to have fun for a while, so they won't do that bad thing. Seems like it works fine.
So in 10 years from now, Australia is going to see an increase in ADHD and Ritilin sales
Try giving a kid Time Out during Recess and see if it's still an ineffective punishment
I'm going to LAUGH when someone says their kid got time out and someone gets fined for no reason, completely innocent.
[editline]4th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheTalon;28989555]So in 10 years from now, Australia is going to see an increase in ADHD and Ritilin sales
Try giving a kid Time Out during Recess and see if it's still an ineffective punishment[/QUOTE]
No, ten years from now, they'll ban it and screw over the generations tenfold.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;28985270]Would you, the Christian, be comfortable spending an hour a year in a gay orgy?[/QUOTE]
You've got to be kidding me... that's your best argument against the guy? You can do better than that...
[QUOTE=Miskav;28983107]In response to your first statement:
So you're fine with (For example) raising the kids into some random blood-thirsty cult, just because they're not publicly funded?
For a lot of people, there is only 1 day care they can go to, either because of monetary reasons, or distance.
This means there is no alternative, thus they're forced to send their children to be indoctrinated in something they don't agree with, and that could very well be harmful to the development of the child.[/QUOTE]
its a fucking easter egg hunt
you're not educating this kid to fucking worship jesus and repent his sins
EASTER EGG HUNT
When i was a kid i remember looking for eggs and stuff because it was fun, not because i wanted Jesus to die for my sins in the form of a hard-boiled egg.
[QUOTE=Explosions;28989096]Please explain[/QUOTE]
Time out doesn't teach kids anything, least of all to respect the childcare centre staff. On its own it's a totally ineffective tool for disciplining kids.
I don't understand. Easter egg hunts and Christmas tree decorating are pretty secular and nonreligious. I can see the argument that they there are religious connection to both holidays, but as far as I'm concerned, the holiday of Christmas and Easter are pretty nonreligious. I think the religious aspects to those holidays are pretty clear, and what they are suggest are religious aspects are not. If they had the baby Jesus on display that would obviously a display of religion. Something to do with palm trees or riding on a donkey would also be. But I don't think anybody sees the Easter bunny as a religious figure.
I also disagree with the fine because it is pretty ludicrous.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28989975]Time out doesn't teach kids anything, least of all to respect the childcare centre staff. On its own it's a totally ineffective tool for disciplining kids.[/QUOTE]
Is rehabilitation better? (I'm being serious)
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[QUOTE=Pepin;28990067]I don't understand. Easter egg hunts and Christmas tree decorating are pretty secular and nonreligious. I can see the argument that they there are religious connection to both holidays, but as far as I'm concerned, the holiday of Christmas and Easter are pretty nonreligious. I think the religious aspects to those holidays are pretty clear, and what they are suggest are religious aspects are not. If they had the baby Jesus on display that would obviously a display of religion. Something to do with palm trees or riding on a donkey would also be. But I don't think anybody sees the Easter bunny as a religious figure.
I also disagree with the fine because it is pretty ludicrous.[/QUOTE]
Liar I pray to our Lord and Saviour the Almighty Easter Bunny five times daily.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;28985270]Would you, the Christian, be comfortable spending an hour a year in a gay orgy?[/QUOTE]
I'm not Christian. I just have balls unlike most of you.
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I've been ''forced'' to church each year after receiving my report card. The whole class goes. I see nothing wrong with getting some quiet time.
[QUOTE=Doozle;28983132]Bible basher = bible thumper[/QUOTE]
No being a Bible basher implies that you bash the Bible which is something only a person who is anti-christian would do
Oh my fucking god Australia.
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[QUOTE=Explosions;28990243]Is rehabilitation better? (I'm being serious)[/QUOTE]
Education is better, very rarely does a child need "rehabilitation" unless they have some kind of severe psychological problems.
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[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;28991930]No being a Bible basher implies that you bash the Bible which is something only a person who is anti-christian would do[/QUOTE]
I know a few christians who think most of the bible is a load of shit too
Who the fuck cares if they decorate christmas trees or do easter egg hunts? That's hardly "forcing" religious activities.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28992168]I know a few christians who think most of the bible is a load of shit too[/QUOTE]
Eh, it comes down the interpretation. The kind of interpretation that gets talked about most is the literal one, as in everything that is said happened just as described. There are three other completely valid interpretations that really don't get touched upon with these discussion. One of the involves acknowledging that the stories are fiction or over glorified history and everything is seen as a vehicle for a moralistic point. This viewpoint asserts that you don't have to believe the stuff in The Bible to be Christian. Of course you still have to meet certain qualification to be considered Christian (such as believing that Jesus was the savoir), but I think you get my point. I hope it wasn't off topic from what you meant and I hope I'm not explaining something out for no reason which I am likely doing.
[QUOTE=Sanius;28992215]Who the fuck cares if they decorate christmas trees or do easter egg hunts? That's hardly "forcing" religious activities.[/QUOTE]
Give kids the opportunity to opt out if they want to. None likely will but the option is still there.
I don't think some people read the article... it states that children [B]have the choice[/B] if they want to do these religion related things. They don't have to do it if they don't want to, but they can still do it anyways. I can't really state an opinion on the time-out business because that bit doesn't bother me much, however I will say that time-out is a better alternative to corporal punishment.
Also loved the wave of people who came to say shit like "Australia bans x", if you're being serious then you're a twat. If you're joking, the joke is really old now. Also a good point to say that the whole of Australia isn't to blame for the change of laws. Blame the government instead, but I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing at all.
New laws are completely fucked. From the full text of the law (not shown here), any action which parents consider "unreasonable discipline" can be considered a breach - consequently, anything a childcare centre does could be classified a breach of the law.
And banning "time-outs" is moronic. This bizarre notion that you can seriously reason with a tantrum-chucking toddler has absolutely no place in the real world, except in the minds of the namby-pamby left. You put a child in time-out for being naughty, it teaches them not to be naughty lest they be put in the corner again. That's how little infants work - punishment serves as a deterrant. Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly has no experience with the average pre-schooler.
E: I mean seriously, people. Toddlers actually won't follow your logic and reason - it's called throwing a childish tantrum for a reason.
It's not about the kid being put in a time-out, it's about them essentially being punished by the caretakers for opting not to involve themselves in something religious. Unless this is a private Sunday preschool or something, I wouldn't want MY kid being subjected to that. You condition children into believing it's wrong not to be religious.
If and when I have a kid, I'm teaching them what I know to my best ability, and letting them make their own decisions after they've learned to think critically, and are now in a position to choose their beliefs for themselves without being indoctrinated in their youth by people who would prey unfairly upon their impressionability. I'm not even going to lie to my kids with tales like the Tooth Fairy or Santa Clause. The lie and the magical thinking would do irreparable harm to their world view.
[QUOTE=J-Dude;28993911]It's not about the kid being put in a time-out, it's about them essentially being punished by the caretakers for opting not to involve themselves in something religious. Unless this is a private Sunday preschool or something, I wouldn't want MY kid being subjected to that. You condition children into believing it's wrong not to be religious.
If and when I have a kid, I'm teaching them what I know to my best ability, and letting them make their own decisions after they've learned to think critically, and are now in a position to choose their beliefs for themselves without being indoctrinated in their youth by people who would prey unfairly upon their impressionability. I'm not even going to lie to my kids with tales like the Tooth Fairy or Santa Clause. The lie and the magical thinking would do irreparable harm to their world view.[/QUOTE]
The only pre-schools teaching religious rituals are private, religious pre-schools. Australia is a very-much secular state - unless all those Easter Egg hunts and Christmas tree decorations are really covert attempts to Christianize three year-olds.
Dude, I believed in Santa. And the Tooth Fairy. And the Easter Bunny. And so did hundreds of millions of others. How can you REALLY believe that their "world view" is somehow corrupted because of that?
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28993944]The only pre-schools teaching religious rituals are private, religious pre-schools. Australia is a very-much secular state - unless all those Easter Egg hunts and Christmas tree decorations are really covert attempts to Christianize three year-olds.
Dude, I believed in Santa. And the Tooth Fairy. And the Easter Bunny. And so did hundreds of millions of others. How can you REALLY believe that their "world view" is somehow corrupted because of that?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say it corrupts them or is bad for them, I just wouldn't feel comfortable deluding my child like that.
Time outs? Nah, but forcing kids to do religious activities? Where's the freedom of choice? :y:
[QUOTE=Doozle;28983159][url=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Bible_basher][b]Noun[/b]
Bible basher (plural Bible bashers)
(UK, pejorative) A fundamentalist Christian preacher, who is seen to take every opportunity to talk about Christianity and convert those around them, especially against the other peoples' wills.[/url][/QUOTE]
First of all, that's wiktionary, a wiki (user created, as in it could be based on opinion). Second of all if your from different regions of the earth people describe things differently, especially with the English language.
[QUOTE=Doozle;28983022]I don't think there's anything wrong with religious activities in school.
Militant atheists piss me off.[/QUOTE]
Hey bro
guess what
there isn't
but when the teacher forces the child to participate in religious activity
then it's fucked in the bum
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[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;29000674]First of all, that's wiktionary, a wiki (user created, as in it could be based on opinion). Second of all if your from different regions of the earth people describe things differently, especially with the English language.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bible%20basher[/url]
Not a satanist, and not one who bashes the Bible. A Bible Basher is someone who constantly goes around forcing the word of the bible on everyone else, and claims that everything BUT the Bible is evil.
A religious person who is obsessivily you could say, and insanely into his or her religion. They tend to 'bash on' about their religion and try to feed it to you.
A bible basher is one who lives their life by the bible, and tries to force the bible upon all they meet.
Bible thumper is a pejorative term used to describe someone perceived as aggressively pushing their Christian beliefs upon those who do not share them.[B]It is commonly heard in most Western countries; the particular term Bible basher, along with Jesus freak is used in Australian slang to pertain to a person or group who knock on doors to convert non-Christians.[/B] - WIKI
etc
[QUOTE=evilweazel;28989453]Unless they're forcing the kids to like pray to God or something while they do it, I don't see the big deal about doing up a tree or finding hidden eggs.[/QUOTE]
That's what they're doing? Oh boy, that's stupid. Everyone puts up trees near Christmas and celebrates Easter. I'm atheist and I do that.
i don't think forcing religion is necessary, but no easter egg hunts makes me :saddowns:
i remember when i was six years old, we had those in my grade one class
:smith:
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;28983012]I wish I hadnt been fed all the christian bullshit at primary school.
And the yearly visit to the church for christmas. ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
As opposed to the far-left evolutionist bullshit you get fed TODAY in primary school, I see.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;29004760]As opposed to the far-left evolutionist bullshit you get fed TODAY in primary school, I see.[/QUOTE]
Trollolololol bullshit
Good, those bastards deserve this. I never forgot the time daycare personnel forced me into an empty room and left me to die. I was lucky though, my parents rescued me later that night. If they hadn't, I would be dead. Sadly, I am scarred for life. Now I live inside my parents basement and spend all day fapping to hentai until I cry myself to sleep at night.
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