Member of Anonymous tortured and charged with child pornography
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[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;44938777]This post was so forced. Don't even start.[/QUOTE]
it seemed like a genuine question actually
The whole point of torture is retribution against someone because of a crime they've committed against you or the state. Locking up Chelsea Manning like they did would've never gotten any sort of information; it was all about punishing her for the crime of leaking classified documents. The whole "it gets information" is just a very flimsy excuse for what's essentially beating the living shit out of someone because they slighted you. It's barbaric.
Look at me being sympathetic for someone who did something clearly illegal that he literally could not have been aware of the consequences of
Sleep depriving, no food and interrogation pills?
Gulag is not dead, just moved to USA.
[QUOTE=Ziron;44938936]The whole point of torture is retribution against someone because of a crime they've committed against you or the state. Locking up Chelsea Manning like they did would've never gotten any sort of information; it was all about punishing her for the crime of leaking classified documents. The whole "it gets information" is just a very flimsy excuse for what's essentially beating the living shit out of someone because they slighted you. It's barbaric.[/QUOTE]
Locking someone up for commiting a crime???? such barbarism!!!
This is where I end my involvement in this thread though because otherwise I know I'll get my dumb ass banned
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;44938953]Look at me being sympathetic for someone who did something clearly illegal that he literally could not have been aware of the consequences of[/QUOTE]
You can be sympathetic towards criminals. Treating them like shit and dehumanizing them is just dumb.
With whistleblowers they broke laws out of principle. They made a sacrifice for the good of society in a sense.
Having read the whole article: The reason they tortured and detained him was primarily because he had contacted the Russians, and the Venezuelans. Had he not done that and abandoned the whole thing before that it wouldn't have blown up the way it did. Based on the article, it's blatantly obvious that the reason they started this whole thing and arrested him for child pornography is because the government was trying to shake down Anonymous.
That being said, this is a red flag if I've ever seen one. The Feds are torturing "Cyber-Terrorists" now.
An alarming development.
[QUOTE=residualgrub;44936176]Probably beatings and water boarding. Its like the two most common ones we use.[/QUOTE]
If only people accepted that the pen was stronger than the knife. Everyday the flesh it grows.
[QUOTE=seano12;44938207]Is this 1984?[/QUOTE]
it's not really possible to ever know if he was telling the truth, but it seems pretty far-fetched for something like that to happen.
it does seem that his first mistake was [I]trying to defect to the russians[/I] after [I]confidential intelligence[/I] was uploaded to a server that he hosted in his room (and he was in the military). still, the reaction was completely insane, and i can't believe the amount of shit that happened to him.
[QUOTE=Xubs;44939072]referencing 1984 is the new invoking godwins law, no matter how justified it is it's always annoying
The only reason Orwell spins in his grave is because he's fucking sick of the people referencing his work. Just let him stay dead.[/QUOTE]
The reason it's being invoked is that the fact of the matter is that shit like this happens that validates his predictions. Jesus.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;44939082]The reason it's being invoked is that the fact of the matter is that shit like this happens that validates his predictions. Jesus.[/QUOTE]
That Huxley/Orwell comic is always interesting to see.
Anybody going to make a smiley for 1984 in the style of [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-godwin.gif[/img]?
[QUOTE=Xubs;44939124]My point is not that this news is more or less of an example worthy of a 1984 reference, but just that the reference itself is overused, and it's very much getting into the same territory that Godwin's Law now covers. I've heard 1984 comparisons for just about any move that expands the reach of the government. It's getting very annoying.
This news may or may not be an example worthy of the comparison, I don't care, I'm just very sick of hearing 1984 any single time anything bad involving government and their powers happens. Where I'm from, referencing 1984 is like referencing the Nazis, but there's no meta rule saying that Nazi comparisons are an inevitability, so nobody but me is hyper-aware of their overuse.
I'm just getting tired of the reference is all. If need be, you can make references to other works, or just flat-out state what you feel and, you know, not need to invoke references to make your point, but the 1984 reference has lost all meaning to me and passed the threshold into an annoying one.[/QUOTE]
So you're entire argument is "I don wanna hear it u sayz it too much". Lovely.
[QUOTE=Ganix565;44936158]how was he tortured?[/QUOTE]
[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=c-OviftusB8[/media]
[QUOTE=Xystus234;44939204]So you're entire argument is "I don wanna hear it u sayz it too much". Lovely.[/QUOTE]
See I misspelled words because I think you are dumb haha get it
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44940957]See I misspelled words because I think you are dumb haha get it[/QUOTE]
what an excellent post please continue
and if any part of this gent's story is true, then we all have something to worry about
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44940957]c I misspelt wordz bcuz I think u r dumb haha get it[/QUOTE]
[editline]29th May 2014[/editline]
ontopic I don't doubt this because our gov't is fucked.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;44941359]what an excellent post please continue
and if any part of this gent's story is true, then we all have something to worry about[/QUOTE]
Because the one I was responding to was a paragon of well thought out on topic posts right
[editline]29th May 2014[/editline]
Anyway the cp charges against the dude are no joke, it wasn't just possession he allegedly actually solicited naked pictures from two young boys he met on WoW
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44942150]Because the one I was responding to was a paragon of well thought out on topic posts right
[editline]29th May 2014[/editline]
Anyway the cp charges against the dude are no joke, it wasn't just possession he allegedly actually solicited naked pictures from two young boys he met on WoW[/QUOTE]
so you thought that upon reading a shit post, you would remedy the situation by making another shit post.
and in the story doesn't it say that the sexual conversations with the young boys aren't backed up with evidence from the parents of the two boys, and that the sexual conversations were present in the evidence from the investigator and from nothing else?
[QUOTE=Xubs;44939124]
I'm just getting tired of the reference is all. If need be, you can make references to other works, or just flat-out state what you feel and, you know, not need to invoke references to make your point, but the 1984 reference has lost all meaning to me and passed the threshold into an annoying one.[/QUOTE]
Stop referencing works that are relevant because I say so!!!
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;44938965]Locking someone up for commiting a crime???? such barbarism!!!
This is where I end my involvement in this thread though because otherwise I know I'll get my dumb ass banned[/QUOTE]
This line of thinking is too rigid and objective, you have to consider the moral choices behind the crime committed, and even the legitimacy of the definition of that crime, in regards to who it protects and what it protects them from.
Lol. Just read the torture part. My family has had several members in the FBI from agent to the administrative level. Let me assure you that the FBI does not interview suspects hooked up to an IV drip with some truth serum.
CIA or NSA, I can believe that, FBI? Take your tinfoil hat off, sir. Especially the whole "I didn't do that." "I know." thing :tinfoil:
And to add, I have a few family members in the CIA as well, and they truly can't tell me a lick of what they do compared to what my family in the FBI can tell me.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44943369]Lol. Just read the torture part. My family has had several members in the FBI from agent to the administrative level. Let me assure you that the FBI does not interview suspects hooked up to an IV drip with some truth serum.
CIA or NSA, I can believe that, FBI? Take your tinfoil hat off, sir. Especially the whole "I didn't do that." "I know." thing :tinfoil:
And to add, I have a few family members in the CIA as well, and they truly can't tell me a lick of what they do compared to what my family in the FBI can tell me.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure they'd be fired asap for telling you that kind of information.
[QUOTE=Saturn V;44943484]I'm pretty sure they'd be fired asap for telling you that kind of information.[/QUOTE]
You mean telling me about the interviews conducted on torture victims? Yeah, the FBI doesn't do that. :tinfoil: also, I'm not the press and I don't go giving specifics out to people outside of the family. I hear about all sorts of information, and trust me when I say, the Inspector General's office grills the shit out of every single agent in the Bureau asking for the slightest violations. If you really believe a torture victim is being interviewed by the FBI, I can't persuade you out of that line of thinking.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44943369]Lol. Just read the torture part. My family has had several members in the FBI from agent to the administrative level. Let me assure you that the FBI does not interview suspects hooked up to an IV drip with some truth serum.
CIA or NSA, I can believe that, FBI? Take your tinfoil hat off, sir. Especially the whole "I didn't do that." "I know." thing :tinfoil:
And to add, I have a few family members in the CIA as well, and they truly can't tell me a lick of what they do compared to what my family in the FBI can tell me.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, my dad works for Steam too.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44943369]Lol. Just read the torture part. My family has had several members in the FBI from agent to the administrative level. Let me assure you that the FBI does not interview suspects hooked up to an IV drip with some truth serum.
CIA or NSA, I can believe that, FBI? Take your tinfoil hat off, sir. Especially the whole "I didn't do that." "I know." thing :tinfoil:
And to add, I have a few family members in the CIA as well, and they truly can't tell me a lick of what they do compared to what my family in the FBI can tell me.[/QUOTE]
Well, the FBI is an interior law enforcement agency, while the CIA is intelligence and clandestine activities of all stripes, so it's true that the FBI more than likely isn't going to be doing these things. And it wouldn't be the NSA, because the NSA isn't investigative, it's oversight and monitoring. But we know the CIA does this stuff.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;44938590]Easier to get away with psychological torture because nobody takes it seriously, that's why abusive people love it so much.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit are you right. People like that learn what is and isn't taken seriously, just so that they can get away with as much as they can.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;44939177]Anybody going to make a smiley for 1984 in the style of [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-godwin.gif[/img]?[/QUOTE]
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53757408/orwell.png[/img]
How's that for a start?
Very good read, recommend you read it. Torture has always been one of those things which has always terrified me beyond belief. Both Psychological and Physical torture are two things no one should ever have to go through. But ofcourse there's no real evidence to back his story up, except he's suffering from severe depression and PTSD.
If his story it's true, that's terrifying.
[QUOTE=Xubs;44939072]referencing 1984 is the new invoking godwins law, no matter how justified it is it's always annoying
The only reason Orwell spins in his grave is because he's fucking sick of the people referencing his work. Just let him stay dead.[/QUOTE]
Well considering the fact that people calling out godwins in an argument to invalidate justified comparisons is fucking moronic I don't see where you're going with this.
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