Riot police raid illegal gypsy site Dale Farm - 7 arrested, many injured
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860898]go up to a black guy and say "hey nigga" and you'll get a practical demonstration in why it's different[/QUOTE]
Because he's a hypocrite?
Saying "you'll get beat up" is a pretty shitty argument Zeke
[QUOTE=Taggart;32860887]people should be aware that words may mean something else in locations that are not their own, too
but they don't and then they start shitstorms over it[/QUOTE]
using gypsy in a derogatory manner is offensive to Romani people no matter where it gets used
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860886]You aren't using it offensively as an insult though, it's not the same[/QUOTE]
So if I were to call the guy who barged past me on the stairs and didn't apologise a faggot, I would be insinuating he is gay, not that he's a dickhead? Simply seen as I'm not gay.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860838]uhh
if you're going to use the GMF as an example of daily conversation you need to get your head checked[/QUOTE]
it's not that different
in fact it's a lot closer to the banter you'd get with a group of close knit IRL friends than in the rest of the forum, where there's a constant moderation for this kind of stuff
I'm not saying it's a GOOD thing
[QUOTE=Stopper;32860668]BUT HUUUUUUURRRR, YOU SEE BLACKS ALL THE TIME![/QUOTE]
...what? How the hell does that make any sense, of course I see black people all the time, they're just regular people.
Do Bulgarians have a thing against black people or something?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32860903]Because he's a hypocrite?[/QUOTE]
because a white guy using the word has totally different historical connotations
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[QUOTE=Turnips5;32860910]it's not that different
in fact it's a lot closer to the banter you'd get with a group of IRL friends than in the rest of the forum, where there's a constant moderation for this kind of stuff
I'm not saying it's a GOOD thing[/QUOTE]
haha you talk with your friends like you talk in the gmf?
how do you pronounce ~ and :o)
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860850]doesn't change the fact that a large portion of this camp WAS Romanies
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there's a difference based on who uses it[/QUOTE]
I swear you're just getting off topic. Look it can be summed up like this: It doesn't matter what fucking ethnicity you should never get special treatment because you come from a particular background like this, you shouldn't be exempt from the law which governs this whole country because your parents like to live in a caravan and if you think you do then you should probably fuck off. Half of the people here had Illegal buildings on the site and they are now facing the repercussions for not co-operating with the council, with the police and with bloody everyone except the few idiots who went along for the shits and giggles. You are arguing about how this is racism and wrong but if it isn't. If you were living there illegally and they came to kick you off I sure as fuck wouldn't help you stay there because you shouldn't be there. They want equal treatment perhaps it wouldn't kill them to treat our law properly as well.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860913]because a white guy using the word has totally different historical connotations[/QUOTE]
I never lynched any black people, it seems [b]racist[/b] to judge me based on the actions of my race
Holy crap, this thread has degraded into Zeke fighting off the entirety of the British/European/Russian Facepunch community.
How about this Zeke, lets ignore the fact that these are travelers, Romanians or whatever you want to call them.
A group of people have illegally built on a set of land, they have committed thefts, left the landscape in a terrible state with rubbish.
The council ask several years ago for these people to leave, after all they have build their homes on illegal ground. Still imagining that these people are normal everyday people? Yes? Good.
They refuse, several years later after countless warnings, they bring in the police to remove these people. These ordinary people then attack the police with wooden planks, the police retaliate with force.
The police have every right to remove these people, it doesnt matter if they are black, white, purple, traveler, optician, Jewish. They broke the law.
British lands, british laws. And EVERYONE has to abide by them, so no its not fucking racist to evict these people. In fact its more racist to those living in the surrounding areas as those who are breaking the law are seen superior and above the law.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32860931]it seems [b]racist[/b] to judge me based on the actions of my race[/QUOTE]
sure does don't it
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860886]You aren't using it offensively as an insult though, it's not the same[/QUOTE]
now you're retroactively changing your premises
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860904]using gypsy in a derogatory manner is offensive to Romani people no matter where it gets used[/QUOTE]
Nope. Gypsies here don't mind being called that.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860913]haha you talk with your friends like you talk in the gmf?
how do you pronounce ~ and :o)[/QUOTE]
come on man I'm trying to be fucking reasonable here
me and my friends call each other pricks all the time
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32860943]now you're retroactively changing your premises[/QUOTE]
how?
my first example was using "faggot" as a general [i]insult[/i], not as a word for cigarette
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860942]sure does don't it[/QUOTE]
thats not an argument
[QUOTE=Taggart;32860702]yes, here, Zeke, let me get you a little snippet from Urban Dictionary. Read the bolded part.
1. gypsy
Fucking scum of the earth [B](not the traditional gypsies, but the cunts found all over the United Kingdom.)[/B]
I used to lodge in a cottage in a small villiage in Gloucestershire that happened to have a Gypsy colony about 500 meters away. These scumbag bastards stole my landlords motorbike, large stone garden ornament and even a CAST IRON BATH TUB. The cunts also used to order taxis from town and get out at the cottage then skip over the back fence without paying, meaning that taxis would refuse to come out to the cottage to collect me because of the damn fooking gyppoes.
Biggest scumbag wankers to walk this earth, and that's a fact.
Being a gypsy cunt gives me the right to steal anything unless it is nailed down.[/QUOTE]
Irish travelers were actually really nice interesting people when they first came here, some still are. Originally they were very strong christians and didn't do this stereotypical shit and actually learnt a trade. Now it has become more of an excuse to be an arse as it has become more diluted. Utter shame really
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860955]how?
my first example was using "faggot" as a general [i]insult[/i], not as a word for cigarette[/QUOTE]
I thought context didnt matter
[QUOTE=ewitwins;32860911]...what? How the hell does that make any sense, of course I see black people all the time, they're just regular people.
Do Bulgarians have a thing against black people or something?[/QUOTE]
I was being sarcastic, because Zeke was (and is) comparing blacks to gypsies.
My town is amazing, I get to see pikeys having boxing matches in the local park- and if you want anything metal removed leave it outside for more than a minute and they'll come in a pickup and haul it away!
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860955]how?
my first example was using "faggot" as a general [i]insult[/i], not as a word for cigarette[/QUOTE]
I gave you another example where I did use it as an insult. And I didn't mean "Oh that guy is more bent than a roundabout" - I just meant that the guy is a dickhead.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860904]using gypsy in a derogatory manner is offensive to Romani people no matter where it gets used[/QUOTE]
It is offensive to them based on the person, and also whether they have grown up under the word meaning one thing or another
It's the same as one black guy I know really not giving a shit if you call him "nigga" regardless of whether you are black or white or whatever
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32860959]I thought context didnt matter[/QUOTE]
generally doesn't when it's directed at a person, but I don't think your cigs are going to get upset if you call them fags
Zeke I also like how all your examples wouldn't work in the UK because we aren't like you North Americans (including canada).
[QUOTE=Stopper;32860960]I was being sarcastic, because Zeke was (and is) comparing blacks to gypsies.[/QUOTE]
Right, I take my box back, sorry 'bout that.
[QUOTE=Taggart;32860968]It is offensive to them based on the person, and also whether they have grown up under the word meaning one thing or another
It's the same as one black guy I know really not giving a shit if you call him "nigga" regardless of whether you are black or white or whatever[/QUOTE]
I know a couple of black guys who are the same. As long as they say to you specifically that they're cool with it, they even encourage it. But they limit it to friends and friends only.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;32860995]Right, I take my box back, sorry 'bout that.[/QUOTE]
It's ok - its easy to miss the context in this heated, fast moving discussion.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860982]generally doesn't when it's directed at a person, but I don't think your cigs are going to get upset if you call them fags[/QUOTE]
You still haven't explained why I can't say nigger or faggot just because I'm a white and straight
Or well, you explained it, but your explanation is racist
[QUOTE=icemaz;32860985]Zeke I also like how all your examples wouldn't work in the UK because we aren't like you North Americans (including canada).[/QUOTE]
my example for gypsy works better there than it does here
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;32861012]You still haven't explained why I can't say nigger or faggot just because I'm a white and straight
Or well, you explained it, but your explanation is racist[/QUOTE]
well at least you didn't say "reverse racism"
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32861012]You still haven't explained why I can't say nigger or faggot just because I'm a white and straight
Or well, you explained it, but your explanation is racist[/QUOTE]
Because of the historical context of the word, and the fact that it's a rather unclassy thing to say anyways?
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