• Riot police raid illegal gypsy site Dale Farm - 7 arrested, many injured
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861017]my example for gypsy works better there than it does here[/QUOTE] All I've seen you say in the last 7 pages is that it's "racist" and then make comparisons to blacks and homosexuals. I don't see how that works.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861017]my example for gypsy works better there than it does here [editline]19th October 2011[/editline] well at least you didn't say "reverse racism"[/QUOTE] Lame jokes aren't valid arguments
Zeke, how about you leave now. you've done nothing but spew unintelligible shit into the thread and you rustled up a shit-storm no one shares your views, you are alone in your argument. you have a flawed perspective on the situation you have bullshit reasons for bullshit arguments you persist in saying, you are right, the law is wrong you think these people are victims of an unjust system, when they have clearly broken the law through squatting, stealing, theft, etc you give an altered wiki link, which even gives a warning at the top of your page to prove your invalid points you haven't done anything useful, or contributed anything intelligent to the thread, i dont want to repeat myself. you have no support in favour of your obscure opinion. now it is in your best intrests to just leave this thread alone breaking the law is no reason to attack law enforcement, infact thats further breaking the law so please :frog:
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861017] well at least you didn't say "reverse racism"[/QUOTE] You're avoiding the question.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32861012]You still haven't explained why I can't say nigger or faggot just because I'm a white and straight Or well, you explained it, but your explanation is racist[/QUOTE] well actually I wouldn't go that far. there are actual concrete reasons why it's generally taboo for white people to say nigger and not black people, but so far they haven't been said ITT
[QUOTE=ewitwins;32861030]Because of the historical context of the word, and the fact that it's a rather unclassy thing to say anyways?[/QUOTE] I've never lynched a black person, I shouldn't be judged based on the actions of members of my race
[QUOTE=XanaToast.;32861040] no one shares your views, you are alone in your argument. [/QUOTE] All the more reason to argue it.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32861044]well actually I wouldn't go that far. there are actual concrete reasons why it's generally taboo for white people to say nigger and not black people, but so far they haven't been said ITT[/QUOTE] I understand why it's wrong, but in principle it's racist to allow only certain races to use offensive words
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32861044]well actually I wouldn't go that far. there are actual concrete reasons why it's generally taboo for white people to say nigger and not black people, but so far they haven't been said ITT[/QUOTE] Yeah I have said it, historically white people using the word "nigger" meant they were doing it to oppress black people, so continuing to use it is aligning yourself with white people of that time
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861049]All the more reason to argue it.[/QUOTE] What a dumb and moronic thing. This Dale Farm thing is happening down the road from me and you're arguing it because no one else is. Seriously fuck off.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861060]Yeah I have said it, historically white people using the word "nigger" meant they were doing it to oppress black people[/QUOTE] I am not Why should I be judged based on the actions of my race (Probably because thats the definition of racism)
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861060]Yeah I have said it, historically white people using the word "nigger" meant they were doing it to oppress black people[/QUOTE] Which in itself is racist to whites for judging them on something they probably haven't done.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861049]All the more reason to argue it.[/QUOTE] not really most of the time, when you disagree with the majority, you're wrong. not all the time but most this fucking galileo complex has spawned a billion conspiracy websites, just accept that you're wrong
[QUOTE=icemaz;32861063]What a dumb and moronic thing. This Dale Farm thing is happening down the road from me and you're arguing it because no one else is. Seriously fuck off.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to back down from an argument just because it's unpopular. [editline]19th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32861075]not really most of the time, when you disagree with the majority, you're wrong. not all the time but most[/QUOTE] that's a fallacy
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32861045]I've never lynched a black person, I shouldn't be judged based on the actions of members of my race[/QUOTE] Alright, forget the beginning of that bit then. How about this, then: Why should anyone be tossing those words about lightly? It shows a lack of creativity on the individuals part, in my opinion. If you can't express yourself without tossing a "bomb-word" into the conversation to give it some meaning, then you're just not being clever.
Has anyone else noticed when Zeke runs out of points he stops capitalising?
[QUOTE=ewitwins;32861082]Alright, forget the beginning of that bit then. How about this, then: Why should anyone be tossing those words about lightly? It shows a lack of creativity on the individuals part, in my opinion. If you can't express yourself without tossing a "bomb-word" into the conversation to give it some meaning, then you're just not being clever.[/QUOTE] Totally unrelated to my argument, sorry
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861078]I'm not going to back down from an argument just because it's unpopular. [editline]19th October 2011[/editline] that's a fallacy[/QUOTE] No but you should back down your argument when it is shitty, has no actual basis in this situation and is fundamentally wrong.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;32861085]Has anyone else noticed when Zeke runs out of points he stops capitalising?[/QUOTE] I don't usually capitalize, except for "I" or when I'm about to make more than a couple sentences
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861078]that's a fallacy[/QUOTE] no it's not point out to me how it's a fallacy.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32861105]no it's not point out to me how it's a fallacy.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum[/url]
Wow, I guess this whole thing is a far more sensitive topic for you guys than a simple Yank like I can understand :/
[QUOTE=ewitwins;32861121]Wow, I guess this whole thing is a far more sensitive topic for you guys than a simple Yank like I can understand :/[/QUOTE] It's only sensitive because Zeke isn't understanding the fundamental - You break the law -> you pay for it.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;32861121]Wow, I guess this whole thing is a far more sensitive topic for you guys than a simple Yank like I can understand :/[/QUOTE] When someone doesn't like a group of people it's very hard to convince them otherwise
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861120][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum[/URL][/QUOTE] Reversals In some circumstances, a person may argue that the fact that the majority of a people believes X implies that X is false. This line of thought is closely related to the ad hominem, appeal to emotion, poisoning the well, and guilt by association fallacies given that it invokes a person's contempt for the general populace or something about the general populace in order to persuade them that the majority is wrong about X. The ad populum reversal commits exactly the same logical flaw as the original fallacy given that the idea "X is true" is inherently separate from the idea that "Most people believe X". For example, consider the arguments: * "Most of your fellow Americans ignorantly think that the Earth is only 5000 years old and you're going to believe in God just like they do?" * "Are you going to be a mindless conformist drone drinking milk and water like everyone else, or will you wake up and drink my product?"[3] * "Everyone likes The Beatles and that probably means that they didn't have nearly as much talent as <Y band>, which didn't sell out."[4] * "The German people today consists of the Auschwitz generation, with every person in power being guilty in some way. How on earth can we buy the generally held propaganda that the Soviet Union is imperialistic and totalitarian? Clearly, it must not be."[5] * "Most people still either hate gays or just barely tolerate their existence. How can you still buy their other line that claims that pederasty is wrong?"[6] * "Everyone loves <A actor>. <A actor> must be nowhere near as talented as the devoted and serious method actors that aren't so popular like <B actor>." In general, the reversal usually goes: Most people believe A and B are both true. B is false. Thus, A is false. The similar fallacy of chronological snobbery is not to be confused with the ad populum reversal. Chronological snobbery is the claim that if belief in both X and Y was popularly held in the past and if Y was recently proved to be untrue then X must also be untrue. That line of argument is based on a belief in historical progress and not—like the ad populum reversal is—on whether or not X and/or Y is currently popular. There is a reason your argument is unpopular, you know.
[QUOTE=icemaz;32861135]It's only sensitive because Zeke isn't understanding the fundamental - You break the law -> you pay for it.[/QUOTE] but what about when the law is rigged against you, as I have been saying from the start
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32859764]Gypsies are a race. This is 100% absolute fact.[/QUOTE] As an American who's never seen or dealt with Gypsies, I can safely say that until now I always thought Gypsies were essentially travelers / squatters who scammed / stole to get what they needed. I can fully understand why people would hate them for this.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861147]but what about when the law is rigged against you, as I have been saying from the start[/QUOTE] IT'S A LAW WHICH AFFECTS EVERYONE.
[QUOTE=Taggart;32861144] In some circumstances, a person may argue that the fact that the majority of a people believes X implies that X is false.[/QUOTE] Not what I'm doing though. I never said you all are wrong because you're the majority, I'm saying you're wrong because [things I've said in my posts goes here]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861147]but what about when the law is rigged against you, as I have been saying from the start[/QUOTE] explain how to law is rigged against then them? Here a challenge for you, if you use the word racist, you must explain why.
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