• Riot police raid illegal gypsy site Dale Farm - 7 arrested, many injured
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861766]I'm going to go read about that and find some more interviews then [/QUOTE] It was Channel 4's biggest watched programme [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAUmII_hcg[/media]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861719]How is answering someone's direct question "off topic"[/QUOTE] how is still being here trying to get an invalid point across to people who have a sense of whats going, when you have not seen, nor encountered a single gypsy in your life a good idea i feel like im just repeating myself. this whole dispute doesn't even affect you, it affects me because i live in the UK, in a County of a Country that holds alot of gypsies. all of which match the same behavioural level as the ones currently Rioting in Dale Farm if you truely do share the thoughts of these so called "victims", go join them everything you said is a pack of shit, you've lost every debate go fucking argue about your opinions elsewhere, no one wants to see 15 more pages of you saying, "well these people have every right to live here, theres no laws against it, well there is but its a stoopid doo doo law that only smelly people put in" i have no sympathy for these people, if they are travelers, they can just get into their caravans and move to another site, instead they light their own fucking homes on fire, thats really smart, i hold no sympathy, no one here does, but you. and you know nothing about these people
[QUOTE=matt.ant;32861827]It was Channel 4's biggest watched programme [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAUmII_hcg[/media][/QUOTE] Oh yeah I remember bits of that
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32860010]I live in a country where these same arguments are used against Aboriginal people on a daily basis. "They aren't assimilating" "They ruin communities" "They're dirty" "They steal" "Can't they just be more like us?" "We don't hate their race, just their CULTURE!" It's fucking disgusting. So don't you dare say I don't understand what's going on here.[/QUOTE] So when white people move on to native's land and refuse to move off, it's the white people being racist. But when gypsies move on to white people's land and refuse to move off, it's... white people being racist?
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32861856][B]So when white people move on to native's land and refuse to move off, it's the white people being racist.[/B] But when gypsies move on to white people's land and refuse to move off, it's... white people being racist?[/QUOTE] Where was this stated
An update: - Protesters set fire to two of their own caravans - Those now homeless have been offered "alternative bricks and mortar accommodation" but have been turned down [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-15376116[/url]
this is so stupid
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861649]well half of this camp was completely legal so obviously they aren't all criminals, why couldn't whatever happened to make the one half legal happen to make the other half legal as well[/QUOTE] I assume because the other half was [I]established[/I] illegally. If it was planned legally and then established there might not have been an issue.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32859429]Nobody likes blacks. Try living in Detroit for a few years in particular areas. You would find out. See how racist this is[/QUOTE] Maybe because the particular blacks in Detroit give that impression? I am not saying that gypsies are bad, and certainly not bad as a race. I am just explaining why people hate them. I don't approve the hate, and mainly not when it's aimed at the race, and not the lifestyle which is what the name is mostly used for today.
They can't face the fact they've broken the law, it's ridiculous, if they were allowed to get away with it then everyone would start disregarding the laws over green belt land.. They deserve to be evicted and have been treated very respectfully given the amount of court appeals they've been granted and time to move, they've completely taken the piss..
Thing is that unlike with blacks, well behaving gypsy is nearly an oxymoron - nobody calls well behaving, educated and working people that way. They are called Romas, if something. You are a black no matter if you are a thief or a lawyer. It's not as simple with gypsies. I myself had friends who could be by race considered gypsies, and nobody ever even mentioned that. Nobody cared, neither did they. Yet the name was used for numerous cases of discussing certain groups seen participating in theft, threatening, ecetera, and everyone always understood that there is a simple difference.
Zeke must have his lungs upside down because he is talking out his ass.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;32862277]Zeke must have his lungs upside down because he is talking out his ass.[/QUOTE] simply stating that he is doesn't magically make it so
Zeke I mostly agree with you on this board most times, but now I am afraid you are just talking about something you have little experience with. Racism is bad, and I would never judge somebody while considering his race as the first variable. Problem is that there is correlation between the race and a particular lifestyle, which leads to some naming issues. Vast majority of Czech Republic is casually racist towards gypsies, yet vast majority of gypsies here seem to truly stand up to their name. It's not a happy situation, and I don't think they deserve bad treatment (which is rather rare here), but calling everyone involved racist, no questions asked, is a bit dull.
[QUOTE=wewt!;32862310]simply stating that he is doesn't magically make it so[/QUOTE] no, you're right, we need to have proof that he's talking out his ass good thing he provided us with 11 pages of it.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32862420]no, you're right, we need to have proof that he's talking out his ass good thing he provided us with 11 pages of it.[/QUOTE] I was refering to his lame post which serves no purpose other than to get some zing ratings
One thing is that Black - Gypsy parallel doesn't work, like, at all. They never had the same situation. Blacks in America had history is being ripped out of their environment, enslaved, and slowly adapted to live in the society. Gypsies came to Europe on their own, and never were under control of anybody but themselves, and with exceptions like Hitler, nobody really threatened them on race basis.
I'm not sure if gypsies are the same everywhere, but over here in Northern Ireland they are no good thugs who think they can bully the general population. They steal copper pipes out of the ground, they steal milk from milk depots, they abuse animals and leave horses at their arses whenever they move, they leave a mess behind them wherever they go, they have even stole lead from church roofs. How people like Zeke are sticking up for them or claiming we are being "racist" by saying we don't like people who are doing something blatantly illegal is ridiculous. They are called travelers for a reason, they get away with out paying tax so if they are told to move - they should god damn move. Perhaps I'm generalising a culture but I'm sure if you asked most people over here they'd agree with me. Also. [QUOTE=Radley;32858833]I don't know why, but i fucking hate gypsys. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Probably because you're racist" - Starpluck))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Crap ban reason.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861696]Another interesting thing on the wiki is that in 2008, Essex County themselves built a community centre on Dale Farm - without planning permission.[/QUOTE] Why would the county needs it's own permission to build something? ; also if you really want to stick up for gypsies, watch my big fat gypsy wedding, the most blindingly obvious thing in that show is that they're misogynistic and treat their women like objects and get them to dress up like sluts and generally treat them like shit. [QUOTE=Jiro-uk-;32862488] Crap ban reason.[/QUOTE] I thought that, being a gypsy is a culture, it's like saying someone is racist for hating Islam, it's stupid.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861354]why am I the only one who finds it disgusting that a nice rich suburb that doesn't exist yet gets to avoid the law while a poor established one doesn't[/QUOTE] Because everyone else knows you ask first. You don't walk in on someone, then knock on the door and get self-righteous when they get pissed off at you for barging in.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;32862448]One thing is that Black - Gypsy parallel doesn't work, like, at all. They never had the same situation. Blacks in America had history is being ripped out of their environment, enslaved, and slowly adapted to live in the society. Gypsies came to Europe on their own, and never were under control of anybody but themselves, and with exceptions like Hitler, nobody really threatened them on race basis.[/QUOTE] They were basically driven into being nomadic during the byzantine period
[QUOTE=wewt!;32862540]They were basically driven into being nomadic during the byzantine period[/QUOTE] that was 1,000 years ago [editline]19th October 2011[/editline] besides, saying that they're a race because they're "descended" from the romani people is a crock of shit and here is why [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyknbCLys_8[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71piW8lSxw4[/media]
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32862580]that was 1,000 years ago[/QUOTE] I'm saying that they didn't come "on their own", the time period has nothing to do with it you monkey
[QUOTE=wewt!;32862627]I'm saying that they didn't come "on their own", the time period has nothing to do with it you monkey[/QUOTE] Oh right I misinterpreted, nevermind.
[QUOTE=Radley;32858833]I don't know why, but i fucking hate gypsys. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Probably because you're racist" - Starpluck))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Starpluck I think you will find that gypsies are not a race and that it is possible to dislike a culture for legitimate reasons.
[QUOTE=scotland1;32862682]Starpluck I think you will find that gypsies are not a race and that it is possible to dislike a culture for legitimate reasons.[/QUOTE] I called him out a few pages ago but it seems he only reads posts to ban people.
[QUOTE=wewt!;32862627]I'm saying that they didn't come "on their own", the time period has nothing to do with it you monkey[/QUOTE] Thing is that nobody dragged them to where they are now. They were forced to move, but not invited not brought in here. It's a contrast with Blacks who didn't have any choice about ending up in America.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;32862693]I called him out a few pages ago but it seems he only reads posts to ban people.[/QUOTE] Moderators are busy people.
[quote]Starpluck: I'm watching the thread, I can see what's being posted. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Van-man;32862725]Moderators are busy people.[/QUOTE] Starpluck: I'm watching the thread, I can see what's being posted. [editline]19th October 2011[/editline] wow fuck off
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