Riot police raid illegal gypsy site Dale Farm - 7 arrested, many injured
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Edit: It occurred to me this is utterly off-topic...
I actually think it is pretty racist to call an ethnic group a race instead of an ethnic group sinve race is a strictly biological term and by applying race instead you are denying all of the cultural aspects from the people you are referring to.
[editline]19th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ihazard;32862494]Why would the county needs it's own permission to build something? ;
also if you really want to stick up for gypsies, watch my big fat gypsy wedding, the most blindingly obvious thing in that show is that they're misogynistic and treat their women like objects and get the to dress up like sluts and generally treat them like shit.
I thought that, being a gypsy is a culture, it's like saying someone is racist for hating Islam, it's stupid.[/QUOTE]
I agree as far with Zeke as hating Roma in general is pretty stupid. Lool at county fairs or yearmarkets for example, lots of good, honest, hard working people, many of them Roma or what people call gypsies.
Nothing to hate, people still do, stupid.
But in this case it's myme Roma/Gypsie/Travelers that were just up to no good and hell it's just as stupid to deny my disloke of these particular members of an ethnic group out of fear of being called racist because frankly: the right to be criticised is also a right. Seldom used but there.
Good, you can't just claim land you don't own.
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;32864534]Good, you can't just claim land you don't own.[/QUOTE]
They own the land, they just didn't get planning permission before they built on it, plus it's greenbelt which you can't build on
Gypsies stole all the drain covers for like 5 miles of road outside my house. Can't say my experience of travellers has been pleasant.
deserved it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32861354]why am I the only one who finds it disgusting that a nice rich suburb that doesn't exist yet gets to avoid the law while a poor established one doesn't[/QUOTE]
As simple as it gets;
- Nice, rich suburb applies for planning permission, shows that the structures are sound and will not cause mass injury/ environmental damage, sticks to building codes
- Nice, rich suburb now has legal rights to be built to specification on the requested land, safely, with the result being useful to the council.
- Poor, established gypsy site doesn't apply for planning permission and shows up on land they "own", but are not allowed to reside on for safety/ environmental/ whatever reasons that planning perssion allows.
- Poor, established site is now breaking the law, and is not allowed to stay until planning permission is granted.
- Due to the demographic that resides there and their previous behavior to the local town and landscape, council refuses planning permission as they are a public nuisance. Not due to their background, but their actions while at the site.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;32866366]As simple as it gets;
- Nice, rich suburb applies for planning permission, shows that the structures are sound and will not cause mass injury/ environmental damage, sticks to building codes
- Nice, rich suburb now has legal rights to be built to specification on the requested land, safely, with the result being useful to the council.
- Poor, established gypsy site doesn't apply for planning permission and shows up on land they "own", but are not allowed to reside on for safety/ environmental/ whatever reasons that planning perssion allows.
- Poor, established site is now breaking the law, and is not allowed to stay until planning permission is granted.
- Due to the demographic that resides there and their previous behavior to the local town and landscape, council refuses planning permission as they are a public nuisance. Not due to their background, but their actions while at the site.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't get more clear-cut than that.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32866803]Doesn't get more clear-cut than that.[/QUOTE]
I'm not even sure if the Dale Farm lot even applied for planning permission as I haven't been following it, but that was assuming they had, and what any sane council would agree on.
I have little respect for gypsies. I can see why the police used aggression as they were being attacked, but acted a bit harsh to others. Not much surprise the gypsies took to hospital came back to wheelchairs because there was no beds in the hospital and later fainted/coma according to tweets I read.
A few months ago a bunch of gypsies turned up by my house while my dad and brother was away on work. I was studying for my theory so I was dedicating all my time to that. They come to the door with a number to ring if my dad wants to sell parts (he's a mechanic with a load of old parts sitting outside in plain sight) I took the number in a rush and got back to my theory. Turns out they took a few parts anyway. I blame my dad for keeping valuables in plain sight, he rang the number and they claim they never took anything.
Lock anything of value away from plain sight and if you suspect them of being dodgy, don't let them hang around if you think that's rude of you, could cost you or your family.
We got quite a lot of travelling gypsies here, once i got blocked by two youth gypsies when trying to leave a burger joint. They started to talk shit to me in english so i called them and their family a pack of lowscum theives. One of them started to rage and his lips fucking exploded all over his face, like he had some mental breakdown or something.
They are wounderful people. :dance: i don't know why people stereotype them so much. :suicide:
[QUOTE=Jiro-uk-;32862488]How people like Zeke are sticking up for them or claiming we are being "racist" by saying we don't like people who are doing something blatantly illegal is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
he's not saying you're racist for disliking someone for doing something illegal, he's saying you're racist for disliking gypsies who are, in fact, a race. and disliking a race is sort the definition of "racism"
[editline]19th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;32867036]We got quite a lot of travelling [b]blacks[/b] here, once i got blocked by two young [b]blacks[/b] when trying to leave a burger joint. They started to talk shit to me in english so i called them and their family a pack of [b]niggers[/b]. One of them started to rage and his lips fucking exploded all over his face, like he had some mental breakdown or something.
They are wounderful people. :dance: i don't know why people stereotype them so much. :suicide:[/QUOTE]
haha, that's epic dude
[QUOTE=erazor;32864870]Gypsies stole all the drain covers for like 5 miles of road outside my house. Can't say my experience of travellers has been pleasant.[/QUOTE]
Why would they do this? Do they smelt the metal?
This thread is making me have conflicted feelings towards the gypsies. On one hand, you guys are making them out to be scum of the earth, and on the other hand they're people we should be tolerant of.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;32868586]This thread is making me have conflicted feelings towards the gypsies. On one hand, you guys are making them out to be scum of the earth, and on the other hand they're people we should be tolerant of.[/QUOTE]
facepunch is making gypsies out to be the scum of the earth because they're racist, partly because they've somehow convinced themselves that "it's not racist because they're not a race" (as if them not being a race somehow suddenly makes hate ok)
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;32867036]We got quite a lot of travelling gypsies here, once i got blocked by two youth gypsies when trying to leave a burger joint. They started to talk shit to me in english so i called them and their family a pack of lowscum theives. One of them started to rage and his lips fucking exploded all over his face, like he had some mental breakdown or something.
They are wounderful people. :dance: i don't know why people stereotype them so much. :suicide:[/QUOTE]
Oh look, it's the 'multiculturalism doesn't work' guy.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32868615]facepunch is making gypsies out to be the scum of the earth because they're racist, partly because they've somehow convinced themselves that "it's not racist because they're not a race" (as if them not being a race somehow suddenly makes hate ok)[/QUOTE]Glad I'm not the only one who notices the oddity of this. Seems like it's perfectly fine to kick gypsies out but if you bring up deporting illegal immigrants they suddenly reverse their opinion.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;32870895]Glad I'm not the only one who notices the oddity of this. Seems like it's perfectly fine to kick gypsies out but if you bring up deporting illegal immigrants they suddenly reverse their opinion.[/QUOTE]
It's perfectly fine because it's illegal. Race doesn't come into my own opinion on this, and whilst I can't say the same for everyone else here, I think we agree that people being caught - and duly punished - breaking the law is a good thing.
Hell, I myself am of Romani descent (even got the monobrow to prove it) and I agree it's good they've been evicted just the same as anybody else who broke the law would be.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32868615]facepunch is making gypsies out to be the scum of the earth because they're racist, partly because they've somehow convinced themselves that "it's not racist because they're not a race" (as if them not being a race somehow suddenly makes hate ok)[/QUOTE]
I'll repost my Venn diagram so as you can understand.
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32868615]facepunch is making gypsies out to be the scum of the earth because they're racist, partly because they've somehow convinced themselves that "it's not racist because they're not a race" (as if them not being a race somehow suddenly makes hate ok)[/QUOTE]
well if they're not a race it's not racist by definition
[editline]20th October 2011[/editline]
and yeah the hate is perfectly justified because it's their lifestyle choice. they don't pay council tax, they ruin neighbourhoods, and are generally a nuisance.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;32870895]Glad I'm not the only one who notices the oddity of this. Seems like it's perfectly fine to kick gypsies out but if you bring up deporting illegal immigrants they suddenly reverse their opinion.[/QUOTE]
Since when? If someone's breaking a crime they should be punished for it, whether they're on land they're not supposed to be on or on the back of a truck they're not supposed to be on and that's the general consensus I've seen.
Oh and by the by, most of the people trying to block the police are actually what the media called professional protesters.
[QUOTE=Appolox;32858108]No one likes gypsies, I never knew why.[/QUOTE]
They pretty much steal all metal they can find,they're loud and annoy everyone,they're violent and illiterate
At least here in Slovakia
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32868615]gypsies... scum of the earth[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;32858157]Try living in Czech Republic for few years in particular areas. You would find out.[/QUOTE]
Or in Romania, for that matter. While I have a lot of Gypsy friends, I can vouch that most of the people belonging to this minority thrive in groups where theft and conning are cultural traits. They see nothing wrong with stealing, and they agree that only fools trade honest work for money. This is not racism, this is how their nomad lifestyle crafted their society and culture. Some even practice children marriage, with lavish wedding parties for 12-13 year olds.
While nowadays most have settled in villages and cities, some of their nomad ways are very much still present, and no amount of politically correct speech will change that. Only time can solve their problems, and generations have to pass before most Romanian Gypsies will be fully integrated. This is what the EU can't understand. Multiculturalism is a failure, because it requires everyone to accept cultural traits of minorities, without understanding that some such cultural traits threaten the very fabric of Western-style democracy.
[QUOTE=zugu;32871537]While nowadays most have settled in villages and cities, some of their nomad ways are very much still present, and no amount of politically correct speech will change that. Only time can solve their problems, and generations have to pass before most Romanian Gypsies will be fully integrated. This is what the EU can't understand. Multiculturalism is a failure, because it requires everyone to accept cultural traits of minorities, without understanding that some such cultural traits threaten the very fabric of Western-style democracy.[/QUOTE]
The US managed to integrate the Irish, African, Chinese, Cuban and Italian immigrants. Why can't the EU?
[QUOTE=Radley;32858833]I don't know why, but i fucking hate gypsys.
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[QUOTE=Bilsta1000;32858480]Since when was "Gypsie" a race.[/QUOTE]
:colbert:
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;32871749]The US managed to integrate the Irish, African, Chinese, Cuban and Italian immigrants. Why can't the EU?[/QUOTE]Because the minorities you mention have no history of nomadism. You assume that Gypsies one hundred years ago wished to settle down and perceived their own culture as being inferior, while they thought exactly the opposite. Traditional communities:
- refuse to send their children to school, because they perceive traditional education as a waste of time;
- don't declare newborns and don't have identity cards created for them - this creates problems later when these children have to interact with state institutions, they legally don't exist;
- refuse to mix with non-Gypsies, because non-Gypsies are "unclean" (giant tomes could be written about the "uncleanliness" concept found in the Gypsy culture);
- have a very opportunistic way of life; stealing a hen from the nearby village, gambling small amounts of money, conning some "white fool" and getting something small and valuable from him - these are all proverbial examples of Gypsy deeds. Stealing from a non-Gypsy is not even a crime, while stealing from a Gypsy is - and guess what, it's not motivated by racism, but by efficiency and survival instinct.
Living a nomad life is a little bit like attending a "surviving in wilderness 101" course every day of your life. Efficiency is of utmost importance. Things have to happen fast and on a small scale, because one never knows when the caravan will move on. Who needs school when you have no plan of leaving the caravan? Better learn how to chop wooden spoons, nail a horseshoe, or bake a brick. Why declare your children to the state, when your caravan is self sufficient? Why pay taxes to the government, when you're continuously on the move and recognize no stable borders? None of the services a government provides are needed by a Gypsy community. They even have a parallel justice system.
Gypsy mentality nowadays continues to be permeated by such centuries old traditions, even if most have settled down in villages and cities. Old habits die hard, and traditional Gypsy communities continue to exist, mostly because of their self-imposed isolation. They cannot be "integrated" because most of them refuse to be "integrated". I remember some Western NGO coming in a small Gypsy village and lecturing them on family planning. They provided thousands of condoms and informational leaflets, then they left. The Gypsies threw away all the free stuff they received, because they decided they had no need for it. They weren't stupid, they simply took the right decision based on their cultural values. The NGO people were stupid and arrogant, because they failed to understand Gypsy culture and thought that a blanket solution would work for everyone.
This is what the EU Brussels bureaucracy fails to understand. Fat cats who lecture us on racism and on how to "properly" integrate the Gypsy people. Now I won't deny racism exists. Eastern Europe has a lot of Gypsies - Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Serbia - are all countries where sizeable Gypsy minorities can be found. Centuries of mutual exclusion and isolation have paved the way for various racist groups and movements. There have been persecutions, deportations, slavery, even a Gypsy Holocaust. But one can't judge the Gypsy problem without actually trying to understand the issue. It's much more complex than you think. Also, the US has always been a multicultural state, made up of immigrants. Europe has a long tradition of the nation-state, thus immigration has always been something frowned upon for hundreds of years. This has shaped our culture differently.
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Here they get benefits for any children they have (because they are jobless), so gypsy families usually have 3+ kids. Those kids are then abandoned, mistreated, sold in prostitution, trained in pickpocketing and etc.
[QUOTE=stepat201;32868457]Why would they do this? Do they smelt the metal?[/QUOTE]
Not sure about drain covers but scrap yards pay for metal and copper is around £4,000 per ton so that gets stolen a lot
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;32871096]I'll repost my Venn diagram so as you can understand.
[IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9104987/faggots.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
your venn diagram is bullshit
i was going to make a post comparing hating gypsies to hating homosexuals because "neither is a race, so it's ok" but apparently you've gone an done that for me
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