• Riot police raid illegal gypsy site Dale Farm - 7 arrested, many injured
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what on earth are you people talking about? what does any of this shit have to do with anything. you can't go "OI MAN WE AGREE WITH SIMPLY FOLLOWING THE RULES" then fucking go "FUCKING PIKEYS THEY STEAL ALL MY SHIT FUCK THEM" are you seriously that daft? it's gone on for 13 pages too. moderators that's a red flag lads.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32876915]Really, so white people are persecuted based on the prejudiced belief that they are all criminals? I never knew that, clearly I have been enlightened today.[/QUOTE] No, what I'm saying is, if this was a group of random, nondescripit people, there wouldn't be an issue here. Really, I think it's kind of ironic that people treat minorities differently based on the idea of equality. [editline]20th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;32876915]You can't take a diagram that uses the word 'faggots' to describe a large group of people seriously.[/QUOTE] Okay, would you mind replacing it with something you prefer so we can move on and you can refute his points?
[QUOTE=OnDemand;32876979]There's a minority of them that are trying to live a legal life but get bullied for it. Especially the women who do so get a lot of grief from it. So when I say gypsies in that post I'm referring to the uncivilized portion of them, sorry for generalizing.[/QUOTE] how do you know it's a minority? how do you know it's not a majority? do you have statistics proving that 50.1% of gypsies are thieves?
[QUOTE=OnDemand;32876979]There's a minority of them that are trying to live a legal life but get bullied for it. Especially the women who do so get a lot of grief from it. So when I say gypsies in that post I'm referring to the uncivilized portion of them, sorry for generalizing.[/QUOTE] Generally if I'm referring to a person or group of people who are a specific race, I don't just refer to them as that race. If I'm referring to white supremacists I don't just say "whites", and if you're referring to gypsy criminals then at least refer to them on the basis of being criminals, not on being of a certain race. [editline]20th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;32877004]No, what I'm saying is, if this was a group of random, nondescripit people, there wouldn't be an issue here. Really, I think it's kind of ironic that people treat minorities differently based on the idea of equality.[/quote] What world do you live in where I or most of the other progressives/liberals on FP consider racism against Whites "A OKAY"? [QUOTE=Cone;32877004]Okay, would you mind replacing it with something you prefer so we can move on and you can refute his points?[/QUOTE] Even if it didn't explicitly say faggots it's still a graph based on nothing, what is there to refute?
[QUOTE=Cone;32877004]No, what I'm saying is, if this was a group of random, nondescripit people, there wouldn't be an issue here.[/QUOTE] what the fuck does that have to do with anything!?
[QUOTE=thisispain;32877003]what on earth are you people talking about? what does any of this shit have to do with anything. you can't go "OI MAN WE AGREE WITH SIMPLY FOLLOWING THE RULES" then fucking go "FUCKING PIKEYS THEY STEAL ALL MY SHIT FUCK THEM" are you seriously that daft?[/QUOTE] Well, it's still valid that they were breaking the law. I don't think anyone disputes that. It's just a side-note we're making that they do tend to break the law more often. So would anybody mind dropping the race-card for a minute and talk about the actual law-breaking?
[QUOTE=Cone;32877004]No, what I'm saying is, if this was a group of random, nondescripit people, there wouldn't be an issue here. Really, I think it's kind of ironic that people treat minorities differently based on the idea of equality.[/QUOTE] because if they were a random group of nondescript people, this thread wouldn't be full of people spouting bullshit like "random, non-descript people are all just thieves and liars and the scum of the earth". I'm not talking about the eviction, I'm talking about the racism and hatred that is in this very thread.
[QUOTE=thisispain;32877028]what the fuck does that have to do with anything!?[/QUOTE] Hey, I said something and someone wanted me to respond. It'd be rude not to.
[QUOTE=Cone;32877029]Well, it's still valid that they were breaking the law. I don't think anyone disputes that.[/QUOTE] yeah so what the fuck are all the amazingly embarrassing hate comments have to do with anything. why do you people think anyone else cares about the bigoted shit you have to say? [editline]20th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;32877035]Hey, I said something and someone wanted me to respond. It'd be rude not to.[/QUOTE] no you're perpetuating your own stupid arguments and then going "CAN WE DROP THE RACE CARD SERIOUSLY GUYS?" why don't you drop the race card and stop posting amazingly bad posts like: [quote]Random white-bread dude commits crime and is persectued, A. OKAY Gypsies commit crime and are persecuted, OH MY GOD YOU FUCKING NAZIS YOU MAKE ME ASHAMED TO BE HUMAN [/quote]
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32877030]because if they were a random group of nondescript people, this thread wouldn't be full of people spouting bullshit like "random, non-descript people are all just thieves and liars and the scum of the earth". I'm not talking about the eviction, I'm talking about the racism and hatred that is in this very thread.[/QUOTE] Okay, well, let's look at some things: -You can be a gypsy and be any race, so we can make a distinction between Gypsies and races. So that only leaves culture. -A culture can, in fact, be morally or ethically wrong. Hence why (if you've already pressed the Godwin button for me) we hate Nazis.
I'd like crime reined in as much as the next guy, but you can't come out and say "hey man i just care about enforcing the law", and then in the same breath say "THESE GYPSIES ARE RAISED TO BE SCUMBAGS".
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32877030]racism[/QUOTE] They're not a race! We've covered and proven this over and over!
[QUOTE=thisispain;32877039]yeah so what the fuck are all the amazingly embarrassing hate comments have to do with anything. why do you people think anyone else cares about the bigoted shit you have to say?[/QUOTE] Because people agree with me? [QUOTE=thisispain;32877039]no you're perpetuating your own stupid arguments and then going "CAN WE DROP THE RACE CARD SERIOUSLY GUYS?" why don't you drop the race card and stop posting amazingly bad posts like:[/QUOTE] I'm saying that because I'm getting tired of having to repeat my points over and over.
[QUOTE=Cone;32877079]Okay, well, let's look at some things: -You can be a gypsy and be any race, so we can make a distinction between Gypsies and races. So that only leaves culture. -A culture can, in fact, be morally or ethically wrong. Hence why (if you've already pressed the Godwin button for me) we hate Nazis.[/QUOTE] You know damn well that's not what we're referring to as a race. What is a race is this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people[/url] The description of which is: "The Romani people, an ethnic group popularly referred to as gypsies". [editline]20th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Charybdis;32877103]They're not a race! We've covered and proven this over and over![/QUOTE] Uh, no you haven't.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877086]I'd like crime reined in as much as the next guy, but you can't come out and say "hey man i just care about enforcing the law", and then in the same breath say "THESE GYPSIES ARE RAISED TO BE SCUMBAGS".[/QUOTE] Again, it's just a side-note. Because they are. Because it isn't pre-defined like a race.
[QUOTE=Cone;32877079] -A culture can, in fact, be morally or ethically wrong. Hence why (if you've already pressed the Godwin button for me) we hate Nazis.[/QUOTE] oh my god i don't care. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Farm[/url] [quote]The whole of the site is owned by residents and is located within the Green Belt.[2] It is in two parts: in one, residents constructed buildings with planning permission to do so; in the other, residents were refused planning permission due to the green belt policy, and built on the site anyway.[/quote] and stop saying godwin over and over again it's not a real rule that anyone has to follow. [editline]20th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;32877106]Because people agree with me?[/QUOTE] they're just as bigoted as wrong go figure. [QUOTE=Cone;32877106]I'm saying that because I'm getting tired of having to repeat my points over and over.[/QUOTE] well good then stop posting bigoted garbage thank you i'm glad we have that solved.
[QUOTE=Charybdis;32877103]They're not a race! We've covered and proven this over and over![/QUOTE] uhh, nope
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877109]You know damn well that's not what we're referring to as a race. What is a race is this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people[/url] The description of which is: "The Romani people, an ethnic group popularly referred to as gypsies".[/QUOTE] Well, y'see, when I say "Gypsies" I am refering to the Gypsy culture. That's what I'm saying, anyone can be a member of a culture (unless of course it discriminates). I myself have no problem with Romani people, I am descended from them myself. What I have a problem with is the culture they frequently - but not always - belong to.
[QUOTE=Cone;32877114]Again, it's just a side-note. Because they are. Because it isn't pre-defined like a race.[/QUOTE] The Romani people are an ethnic group whether you choose to believe it or not, and are most commonly referred to as "gypsies". You can make some kind of semantics argument of whether or not there is a wholly separate "gypsy culture", but at the end of the day it's the same people. There's even a term for this kind of prejudice, it's called antiziganism.
Oh hey look here are some people to cover for Zeke's wrong arguments.
[QUOTE=Cone;32877106]Because people agree with me?[/QUOTE] there are idiots on the internet who will agree with anything, broheim
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32877005]how do you know it's a minority? how do you know it's not a majority? do you have statistics proving that 50.1% of gypsies are thieves?[/QUOTE] I can't give solid numbers but it would be easier for them from family and emotional pressure to continue with their culture instead of going out of their way to follow the legal way of doing things. I'm sure you've seen what peer pressure from school mates can do so just imagine how huge the pressure from a huge family whose rules are based on criminal activities must be.
[QUOTE=Cone;32877135]Well, y'see, when I say "Gypsies" I am refering to the Gypsy culture. That's what I'm saying, anyone can be a member of a culture (unless of course it discriminates). I myself have no problem with Romani people, I am descended from them myself. What I have a problem with is the culture they frequently - but not always - belong to.[/QUOTE] How many people do you think there are who would be considered "gypsies" that aren't Romani? Why do you think the Romani people in general are simply referred to as gypsies? You'd have to be blind not to see it.
[QUOTE=Cone;32877135]Well, y'see, when I say "Gypsies" I am refering to the Gypsy culture. [/QUOTE] lol you think everyone in this thread is making that distinction?
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877142]Oh hey look here are some people to cover for Zeke's wrong arguments.[/QUOTE] yeah man i'm totally just wrong!!
[QUOTE=OnDemand;32877157]I can't give solid numbers[/QUOTE] well then don't post that "only a minority of gypsies are good people"
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32877159]lol you think everyone in this thread is making that distinction?[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone who made disparaging comments thus far has made any distinction between Romanis and "gypsy culture folk".
20:18 - rampageturke: SigmaLambda is doing a good job covering for zeke 20:19 - rampageturke: (notice how people who dont know what the fuck they're on about ( sigmaLambda zeke thisispain) are all outsiders) [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This does not contribute to the thread" - Starpluck))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877140]The Romani people are an ethnic group whether you choose to believe it or not, and are most commonly referred to as "gypsies". You can make some kind of semantics argument of whether or not there is a wholly separate "gypsy culture", but at the end of the day it's the same people. There's even a term for this kind of prejudice, it's called antiziganism.[/QUOTE] Again, I have no problem with Romani people. I am perfectly fine with them and they are no different from anyone else. However, it just happens that they often belong to a culture that lies, cheats, and steals. That's like saying I have a problem with Muslim people because some are extremists.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;32877181]20:18 - rampageturke: SigmaLambda is doing a good job covering for zeke 20:19 - rampageturke: (notice how people who dont know what the fuck they're on about ( sigmaLambda zeke thisispain) are all outsiders)[/QUOTE] "outsiders" What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
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