Riot police raid illegal gypsy site Dale Farm - 7 arrested, many injured
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[QUOTE=icemaz;32877142]Oh hey look here are some people to cover for Zeke's wrong arguments.[/QUOTE]
Notice how they're always not from Britain and don't actually understand the situation and are spinning off into irrelevant shit like race
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877158]How many people do you think there are who would be considered "gypsies" that aren't Romani? Why do you think the Romani people in general are simply referred to as gypsies? You'd have to be blind not to see it.[/QUOTE]
You're american you're getting mixed up by the language barrier.
[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gypsy[/url]
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32877159]lol you think everyone in this thread is making that distinction?[/QUOTE]
Well I certainly am, so why do you have a problem with me?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877194]"outsiders"
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?[/QUOTE]
Non British
[QUOTE=Cone;32877190]Again, I have no problem with Romani people. I am perfectly fine with them and they are no different from anyone else. However, it just happens that they often belong to a culture that lies, cheats, and steals.
That's like saying I have a problem with Muslim people because some are extremists.[/QUOTE]
So why did you not make that distinction in the first place? If you were full aware of the difference between the Romani people and those you refer to as gypsies, why did you not say that at the outset if there was not at least some underlying prejudice?
[editline]20th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877207]Non British[/QUOTE]
Yes of course, because there's no way I've ever been to Britain, I'm just a sheltered suburban kid.
[QUOTE=Charybdis;32877195]Notice how they're always not from Britain and don't actually understand the situation and are spinning off into irrelevant shit like race[/QUOTE]
notice how you haven't posted anything of substance and have just piggybacked on more effortful (but equally shitty and bigoted) posts by your compatriots
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877202]You're american you're getting mixed up by the language barrier.
[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gypsy[/url][/QUOTE]
Let's see, which is more reliable: Urban Dictionary or Wikipedia?
I'm going to have to go with Wikipedia: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism[/url]
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877213]So why did you not make that distinction in the first place? If you were full aware of the difference between the Romani people and those you refer to as gypsies, why did you not say that at the outset if there was not at least some underlying prejudice?[/QUOTE]
Because I didn't think people were racists on Facepunch, and I have yet to be convinced people are. I have faith in Facepunch like that.
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877207]Non British[/QUOTE]
last-resort, eh?
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877202]You're american you're getting mixed up by the language barrier.
[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gypsy[/url][/QUOTE]
lol urbandictionary
[QUOTE=Appolox;32858108]No one likes gypsies, I never knew why.[/QUOTE]
Back at a pub i used to go to there were somtimes gypsies that would come in and cause trouble, they'd get blind drunk and have punch ups outside and bash on the doors and windows, screaming and being violent to people trying to go in or out.
They are like grown up chavs.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877213]
Yes of course, because there's no way I've ever been to Britain, I'm just a sheltered suburban kid.[/QUOTE]
I think what he's saying is, you aren't getting it at all and you're whiteknighting soemthing you, as an American, do not understand in the slightest.
[QUOTE=Cone;32877236]Because I didn't think people were racists on Facepunch, and I have yet to be convinced people are. I have faith in Facepunch like that.[/QUOTE]
So you called them gypsies anyway even though you are now claiming that you were making the distinction? Sorry if that sounds less than believable.
[editline]20th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877245]I think what he's saying is, you aren't getting it at all and you're whiteknighting soemthing you, as an American, do not understand in the slightest.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I don't understand? I just have no conception? Because I'm an American I can have no idea of the situation anywhere outside my neighborhood? Please, spare me the blatant prejudice.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32877240]last-resort, eh?[/QUOTE]
But it's true you don't understand what's going on and all the people who have had a problem have been people who are not from Britain because they don't understand that by gypsy people are meaning those idiots who ride around in caravans across the whole of britain, leaving rubbish on public fields everywhere and causing problems for locals. Not the romani gypsies which we're all fine with as we have tried to make clear throughout the thread, and which you're ignoring time and time again.
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877245]I think what he's saying is, you aren't getting it at all and you're whiteknighting soemthing you, as an American, do not understand in the slightest.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=icemaz;32877266]But it's true you don't understand what's going on and all the people who have had a problem have been people who are not from Britain because they don't understand that by gypsy people are meaning those idiots who ride around in caravans across the whole of britain, leaving rubbish on public fields everywhere and causing problems for locals. Not the romani gypsies which we're all fine with as we have tried to make clear throughout the thread, and which you're ignoring time and time again.[/QUOTE]
didn't even read this. if you're seriously gonna argue that "oh, you can't understand because you're from america" i'm just gonna skip over whatever equally profound stuff you feel that you need to express
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877194]"outsiders"
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?[/QUOTE]
My guess is people who have not experienced Gypsies first-hand.
I (sadly) have, but they fucked off after they got caught trying to steal scrap metal from my grandpa's neighbor.
And that neighbor isn't a calm & collected man AND he owns a shotgun.
They got the notion that they weren't welcome after he blew out one of back wheel on their Mercedes van with said shotgun.
I think the American users are getting lost in translation here.
time to educate you all:
when you say stupid shit about gypsy culture you don't really know anything about it. reading this news story doesn't name you an expert on gypsy culture and neither does watching my fat gypsy wedding.
when you say all gypsies steal because it's their culture you're regurgitating the same stupid shit your parents believe or your friends believe and you don't question it because you trust them on authority. this is how bigotry starts.
these are gypsy people:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGThWKlPRMc[/media]
yeah they steal shit. guess what idiots, all people steal shit. almost all people steal in their lives. how many of you have stolen something in your life?
now here's another lesson:
[img]http://theblogpaper.co.uk/files/imagecache/photostory_image/files/artic_p/5711200120100523.jpg[/img]
for an unbelievably long time these people among many other people have been persecuted because their oppressors think exactly the same shit you think! [B]this is wrong.[/B] know that it is wrong. fucking wake up and stop repeating the stupid mistakes your parents make. most people in the world think all of us jews steal and there really is no fucking difference between a jew and a gypsy, not a single one.
instead of spouting hatred against gypsies and making the entire climate of the world hateful, read a book and get educated
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877253]So you called them gypsies anyway even though you are now claiming that you were making the distinction? Sorry if that sounds less than believable.[/QUOTE]
What else would you suggest I call them? In almost all of my posts, I refered to a "Gypsy culture", or something to that effect. I'm sorry if there was some lapse in communication, but I feel a bit insulted you jumped to conclusions and assumed I was ready to burn some crosses.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877253]
Oh, I don't understand? I just have no conception? Because I'm an American I can have no idea of the situation anywhere outside my neighborhood? Please, spare me the blatant prejudice.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that you moron I'm saying you don't know about this one particular subject at all. I'm hardly calling all of you're knowledge into question so dramatising like a little school girl and shut up about something you don't understand.
[editline]20th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;32877282]time to educate you all:
when you say stupid shit about gypsy culture you don't really know anything about it. reading this news story doesn't name you an expert on gypsy culture and neither does watching my fat gypsy wedding.
when you say all gypsies steal because it's their culture you're regurgitating the same stupid shit your parents believe or your friends believe and you don't question it because you trust them on authority. this is how bigotry starts.
these are gypsy people:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGThWKlPRMc[/media]
yeah they steal shit. guess what idiots, all people steal shit. almost all people steal in their lives. how many of you have stolen something in your life?
now here's another lesson:
[img]http://theblogpaper.co.uk/files/imagecache/photostory_image/files/artic_p/5711200120100523.jpg[/img]
for an unbelievably long time these people among many other people have been persecuted because their oppressors think exactly the same shit you think! [B]this is wrong.[/B] know that it is wrong. fucking wake up and stop repeating the stupid mistakes your parents make. most people in the world think all of us jews steal and there really is no fucking difference between a jew and a gypsy, not a single one.
instead of spouting hatred against gypsies and making the entire climate of the world hateful, read a book and get educated[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot, once again.
These people are not traditional travelers, we are not being racist. These are pretty standard folk who are breaking the law. Deal with it.
[QUOTE=Van-man;32877278]My guess is people who have not experienced Gypsies first-hand.[/QUOTE]
do you people not now how racism works?
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877266]But it's true you don't understand what's going on and all the people who have had a problem have been people who are not from Britain because they don't understand that by gypsy people are meaning those idiots who ride around in caravans across the whole of britain, leaving rubbish on public fields everywhere and causing problems for locals. Not the romani gypsies which we're all fine with as we have tried to make clear throughout the thread, and which you're ignoring time and time again.[/QUOTE]
Or you could just say criminals and not refer to them on the basis of social group. And again, why am I incapable of understanding the situation in Britain? Am I incapable of understanding the situation in Palestine, China, or even a nearby state like Nevada? At what point do you draw your incredibly hypocritical and arbitrary line at which I "cannot understand" something?
[editline]20th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877296]I'm not saying that you moron I'm saying you don't know about this one particular subject at all. I'm hardly calling all of you're knowledge into question so dramatising like a little school girl and shut up about something you don't understand.[/QUOTE]
And why don't I know about this particular subject? Who are you to make this claim?
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;32877181](notice how people who dont know what the fuck they're on about ( sigmaLambda zeke thisispain) are all outsiders)
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i was born in england and traveled europe for most of my life. you are the one who doesn't know what he's on about. i've actually talked and lived with gypsies because i wanted to know how they live.
you guys don't wanna know the truth about gypsies, you just wanna swallow the same old cultural narratives because it fits your worldview.
i'm not pretending to be high and mighty, i'm just saying you're not gonna find the truth behind the world sitting at a computer writing bigoted things.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32877313]do you people not now how racism works?[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly certain it involves not seeing the race first-hand, yes?
Of course, I'd never hate a specific race.
if you people weren't talking about the race then you wouldn't call the thieves in your various anecdotes "gypsies", you would call them "thieves"
[QUOTE=icemaz;32877296]
These people are not traditional travelers, we are not being racist.[/QUOTE]
i didn't say you were being racist and i wasn't even talking about the people who were breaking the law. why don't you deal with your own personal issues instead of bringing it on to a forum?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32877320]Or you could just say criminals and not refer to them on the basis of social group. And again, why am I incapable of understanding the situation in Britain? Am I incapable of understanding the situation in Palestine, China, or even a nearby state like Nevada? At what point do you draw your incredibly hypocritical and arbitrary line at which I "cannot understand" something?[/QUOTE]
Because this is a British culture thing, this is something which pretty much every single person in the UK will come into contact with is a group of travelers, whether they are one of the good group of travelers who just pass by without a fuss as many of them are, or one of the bad groups which cause problems where-ever they go.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32877233]notice how you haven't posted anything of substance and have just piggybacked on more effortful (but equally shitty and bigoted) posts by your compatriots[/QUOTE]
I haven't posted anything of substance because I am shit at explaining things in words
but please tell me how race and ROMANI people have come into question
[QUOTE=Cone;32877283]What else would you suggest I call them? In almost all of my posts, I refered to a "Gypsy culture", or something to that effect. I'm sorry if there was some lapse in communication, but I feel a bit insulted you jumped to conclusions and assumed I was ready to burn some crosses.[/QUOTE]
Look, whether you meant it or not, nearly everyone in this thread has been referring to "gypsies", a name [B]most commonly used for Romanis,[/B] and to come back through and say "well I didn't mean them just a different kind of 'gypsies' that has an entirely different meaning" just seems disingenuous.
[QUOTE=thisispain;32877337]i was born in england and traveled europe for most of my life. you are the one who doesn't know what he's on about. i've actually talked and lived with gypsies because i wanted to know how they live.
you guys don't wanna know the truth about gypsies, you just wanna swallow the same old cultural narratives because it fits your worldview.
i'm not pretending to be high and mighty, i'm just saying you're not gonna find the truth behind the world sitting at a computer writing bigoted things.[/QUOTE]
[quote]rampageturke: SigmaLambda is doing a good job covering for zeke
rampageturke: (notice how people who dont know what the fuck they're on about ( sigmaLambda zeke thisispain) are all outsiders)
Icemaz: dont say that though
Icemaz: actually no
Icemaz: I DARE
Icemaz: you
Icemaz: to say that
Icemaz: I DARE YOU
Icemaz: And I can bet you
Icemaz: £5
Icemaz: That thisispain will go
Icemaz: "I was born in england"
[/quote]
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32877344]if you people weren't talking about the race then you wouldn't call the thieves in your various anecdotes "gypsies", you would call them "thieves"[/QUOTE]
Thieves of the Gypsy culture.
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